The 'Hidden Hand' a PROPER & 'POSITIVE' discussion of the material ONLY here!

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Sanat

...I guess we came here agreeing to "take in" a portion of darkness and transmute that into Light...

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I thank you both Sanat and Anchor for your thoughts on this important topic. It makes me contemplate deeper 'Existence' in the light of the Universal Laws of Creation.

The Universal Laws encompass all aspect of creation, all times, all dimensions. They always work anywhere anytime. That is why I do not agree with the core of the HH message.

If one does, intentionally/purposefully, evil deeds, the Laws will work and bring him/her more opportunities to stay stuck into a low vibrational dimension where victim/oppressor/savior consciousness rules. He/she will not ascend.

It is true that suffering/affliction gives opportunities to be aware. But it is not necessary. Emotion, relationship, understanding, contemplation, commitments, etc... all of these makes one to be more aware. What is important is not the quantity of experience lived, but the quantity of experience 'digested', 'integrated'.

On the other hand, if one believe suffering/affliction exist to make us aware, the Universal Laws will work and bring these kind of experience in ones life. I think humanity had enough of it already, and we are more then deserving to enter into a New Paradigm where oppressor/victim/savior consciousness are things of the past quickly forgotten.

In order to get into this New Paradigm, when the windows open, one have to left aside all components of oppressor/victim/savior consciousness in his/her own consciousness/behavior. Because in this New Paradigm, the consciousness is of personal responsibility, understanding that Love/Respect self, others and all Life are keys to maintain existence.

It is not about service-to-self and service-to-other. Every single day our action is a mix of both of them. One can be in service-to-other all the time, but unconsciously does it to be loved/recognized, thus might be maintaining a kind of consciousness that mirrors victimhood. It gets worse if he/she neglects his/herself while working on "others". If it was true, one could begin to serve everyone around with the purpose to save him/herself. The Universe can not be tricked this way, a human maybe, but not the Universe. I suggest balance and "listening to your own inner barometer". I understand very well this concept, but do not emphasize on it, especially do not put percentage in it. That is why I smell a purposeful intention to mislead in this concept, not by those who believe it, but by those who created it.

It is more about the conscious intention to live another kind of experience. Where humanity would evolve freely without the control of an elite 'worshipers of all that goes against Creation' who wants us to be stuck with them. A world where freewill of humanity is respected, where evolution is possible, where we can reach our full potential of Human becoming and ultimately where humans learn to respect freewill of all that exist to let evolving around him/herself.

Namaste, Steven

[Sanat]

Thanks for this clarification of your thoughts, Steven. Very appreciated!

You say:

"I think humanity had enough of it already, and we are more then deserving to enter into a New Paradigm where oppressor/victim/savior consciousness are things of the past quickly forgotten."

I agree, and this is also the direction we are heading in. Indeed, we are well underway already. But some will take longer than others. This is only natural. To clarify: I don't believe suffering is "necassary" as such, but rather it comes about as a consequence of "free will choices". There is karmic order in everything as the Universal Laws are always active. This means that things must be as they "should be" at all times (which again does not mean that things should not change for the better of course). Gravity is the same for everyone, but some stumble and hurt themselves on the path whereas others walk gracefully about...

The Uni-verse is in dynamic Balance at all times. Given time all imbalances will be evened out, and this experience of "evening out" amounts to spiritual evolution. It is what we are all involved in here at this time.

You also say:

"t is not about service-to-self and service-to-other. Every single day our action is a mix of both of them. One can be in service-to-other all the time, but unconsciously does it to be loved/recognized, thus might be maintaining a kind of consciousness that mirrors victimhood. If it was true, one could begin to serve everyone around with the purpose to save him/herself. The Universe can not be tricked this way, a human maybe, but not the Universe. I understand very well this concept, but do not emphasise on it. That is why I smell a purposeful intention to mislead in this concept, not by those who beleive it, but by those who created it.

It is more about the conscious intention to live another kind of experience where humanity would evolve freely without the control of an elite who wants us to be stuck with them. A world where freewill of humanity is respected, where evolution is possible, where we can reach our full potential of Human becoming."

The concept of StO and StS is always subject to the level of each individuals understanding (or Level of Consciousness). Some will interpret it totally literally like religous people interpret the Bible. By discussing it we can hopefully help to clarify this concept.

Our only "duty" is towards our own Awakening/Expansion. Existence takes care of the rest through "synchronisities". There is nothing to "do" except keep working on ourselves - keep expanding and growing in Spirit. StO is misunderstood as a "doing" (although there is nothing wrong with "good deeds" of course). StO flows naturally/effortlessly and becomes more "efficient" the higher you climb on the Ladder of Consciousness. Doing StO work because you "want" to be StO is in reality very colored by StS. StO flows effortlessly from "who you have become/are", but there is always a kind of correlation in this relationship. It's more the quality of your "StO" that matters, and not so much the quantity. True StO does not expect anything in return at all. It is effortlessly being who you are. In most everyone that amounts to a combination yes, although the "percentage" varies greatly at this time.

The main focus should always be upon working on ourselves. If someone is interested; sharing is great. Planting seeds is the most one can do in the lukewarm, if there is a minimum of openness/receptivity.

But I find that a warm and loving smile combined with all the Presence/Awareness you can muster "launched" at a receptive stranger does much more good than any "information". This is actually fun also as it can be practiced all day long. I find that women in general are more receptive to this than men (as it probably can be misunderstood easily, so be "careful" hehe). Women are still more openhearted/receptive in nature than the male on this planet at this time. When the situation is "right" I simply allow it to happen. I have worked as a cashier in a supermarked myself, and I know from experience that only one customer (among the hundreds that I was in contact with each shift) that is of the Light, and takes you into the Presence; is enough to make a huge difference. Imagine if every customer was like that... Most would rather complain about paying 10 cent for a plastic bag or other silly things. hehe. I learned a lot about people working there that is for sure...

Nice to have this discussion either way Thanks

In the Light,

Sanat

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Sanat

...It's more the quality of your "StO" that matters, and not so much the quantity. True StO does not expect anything in return at all. It is effortlessly being who you are...

First of all, thank you for your sharing. I really appreciate your thoughts.

This is exactly what I have in mind. The quality and genuineness of your behavior toward others matters. This is what the Universe sees in one's contribution in the global consciousness.

Be blessed my friend, Steven

[Sanat]

Yes, Steven, I think we must be blessed to be here at this time Have a really nice holiday now!

[islandman]

There was a mention of the Mayan calender in the HH message, which I read up on the other day through another link on Avalon and found the idea very interesting. The whole concept of changing how we view the procession of time from the Gregorian calender to a lunar calender made alot of sense to me. I was wondering if anybody has tried this system. The link is http://www.tortuga.com/

[micjer]

I do think their is some good info in the HH material.

Having negativity does help appreciate the positive. You ever heard a football coach say a team has to learn how to lose before it knows how to truly win!!

I personally would likely have not awakened if it were not for the luciferian act of 9-11. It first made me more spiritual because of fear and empathy, then it awakened me further by the realization of the bigger picture.

As much as I dislike it, I can see how it all comes together in unity, just as a magnet has a north and south pole. Without each other you have a piece of metal.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

...hidden hand, has sworn "blood" oaths
with his/her own blood family / or the inner circle-or round,
that he/she belongs to...

I am glad you pointed this out.

Oaths... if Hidden Hand was truly a higher spiritual being, he would not make oaths.

Everything in Creation is ever evolving. The only thing that does not change in the Universe is transformation itself. Making an oath goes against this basic deep Universal Law.

We can make commitment, but not oath. There is a difference.

Namaste, Steven