Why making God unfashionable never works..

[Frank Samuel]

Just for the record I am not anti christian . I myself went to theology school when I was young. I spend half my life studying the Bible and historical facts concerning the Bible. As a theologian I spend many hours with colleagues debating the scriptures. I decided to keep an open mind and continue learning free to seek answers to the age old questions just trying my best to live a good life serving others as much as possible. Each soul is free to seek and find his true self without the judgment of the origin of all things. In the last few years I have learn more about our connection to our origin by using my resonator the heart, this has been an amazing journey. The answers are always found within our internal essence. Again I thank you all for stating your believes and viewpoints, it has brought back many memories and a smile to my face.If I can summarize what I have learn in the last few years it will be along the line of the song title, " Don't worry be happy ".
Goodnight to all...

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Orthydoxymoron
Is it the word God that you are not too keen on?
If so I can go with that, for God has been given qualities by human beings that would apply to a megalomaniac. My God is pure love. A God to be respected not feared, devoted to and loved.

Maybe we could agree that supreme intelligence is both on going creation and evolution.
Without that intelligence not even one breath would be possible. Life and so much more is that intelligence I chose to call God.
That is to my mind the Creator.

Chris

God and Theocracy are inseparable. I much prefer a Representative Republic. There should never be an unquestionable ultimate authority. A true God would not play the part of God. A true God would not accept worship and praise. Does an intelligent deity facilitate my continued biological and spiritual function...in a direct way? My current view is that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. No Exceptions.

Is your Supremely Intelligent God of Pure Love an actual being...or simply a conceptualization? I believe in high ethical and psychological standards...but an enthroned deity is a hindrance rather than a help in this regard. Does Love = Submission? (all too often?) Does Submission = Enslavement? (all too often?) I just think we have a God/Satan problem in this Universe. No proof. I'm simply testing the theory. So far...after months of posts...there has been very little serious discussion or any detailed critiques of this view. It's as if everyone is behind me in this venture. Way Behind Me.

Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Namaste

Oxy, can you tell why are you using the word "Namaste"?

Whom are you bowing to? Thanks in advance!

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

Oxy, can you tell why are you using the word "Namaste"?

Whom are you bowing to? Thanks in advance!

I Reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious aka The Holy Spirit. I seek the Exaltation of the Human Race. Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom is Within. Christ in You...the Hope of Glory. I See Christ in All Persons. I love others as much as I love myself. I Seek Human Sovereignty in This Solar System. I Believe in the God Who Believes in Me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IvPIWzQcUY World Without End. Almond Raw.

"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

"We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

"Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

Namaste

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

God and Theocracy are inseparable. I much prefer a Representative Republic.

lol ortho will you suggest this in Heaven too

[truthseekerdan]

[kriya]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

God and Theocracy are inseparable. I much prefer a Representative Republic. There should never be an unquestionable ultimate authority. A true God would not play the part of God. A true God would not accept worship and praise. Does an intelligent deity facilitate my continued biological and spiritual function...in a direct way? My current view is that Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. No Exceptions.

Is your Supremely Intelligent God of Pure Love an actual being...or simply a conceptualization? I believe in high ethical and psychological standards...but an enthroned deity is a hindrance rather than a help in this regard. Does Love = Submission? (all too often?) Does Submission = Enslavement? (all too often?) I just think we have a God/Satan problem in this Universe. No proof. I'm simply testing the theory. So far...after months of posts...there has been very little serious discussion or any detailed critiques of this view. It's as if everyone is behind me in this venture. Way Behind Me.

God just wants our love. That's it. You have the power to accept or reject that, God has no power over you, if you do not wish it.

Paramahansa Yogananda said, that God does not know how great he is, otherwise he wouldn't be that great - no ego!!.

If you meditate upon God, sincerely, you will get your proof! And yes you are right in order to become God conscious you have to submit, but this is really about destroying ego, not about enslavement.

Lastly, Ortho, I think people have tried to answer your questions to the best of their ability, but you choose not to accept them, which is a different matter all together.

We all follow our own paths, right?

[greybeard]

It all comes down to your spiritual goal.
If you believe in enlightenment -- free from ignorance, if your goal is enlightenment,
then its simple, not easy but simple.
Listen to a teacher either one who is currently on tis planet or one who attained that state before leaving this world.
They all say the same thing.

(The Self of the teacher and the Self of the student are the same ie Holy Spirit)

My current main teacher says
"Straight and narrow is the path, waste no time"

There may be many methods of being on the path but it is the same path in my opinion.

The spiritual circus (new age) leads no where.
Tried and tested, thousands of years of subjective experience, leads to Truth, there is no need to reinvent the wheel.

Not saying anything I post is right, just my understanding of this moment.

Regards Chris

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by kriya

God just wants our love. That's it. You have the power to accept or reject that, God has no power over you, if you do not wish it.

Paramahansa Yogananda said, that God does not know how great he is, otherwise he wouldn't be that great - no ego!!.

If you meditate upon God, sincerely, you will get your proof! And yes you are right in order to become God conscious you have to submit, but this is really about destroying ego, not about enslavement.

Lastly, Ortho, I think people have tried to answer your questions to the best of their ability, but you choose not to accept them, which is a different matter all together.

We all follow our own paths, right?

Well put Kriya.

Better people than i could answer all questions and bring freedom from all doubts, for that is the test of a process that works. So after many years of frustration, sadness, anxiety and misery, i eventually kind of sat myself down and said Ok God, ive had enough of this, ive been trying to figure it all out, ive been trying to 'save the world' and the result has been this sad individual now no use to anybody. I believe it was my first really sincere prayer. Somehow or another i felt better for it so i continued to practice thinking in this way, i slowly let go of my arrogance and i slowly let go of the feeling of personal responibilities for the worlds problems. Infact it was the suffering of animals that ultimately broke my spirit. Now i realise that as long as i do the right things myself ( no im not perfect and have no wish to be) the rest is Gods problem!!! I have been happier for this and have been able to bring some good things to the people i meet in my life.

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by kriya

God just wants our love. That's it. You have the power to accept or reject that, God has no power over you, if you do not wish it.

Paramahansa Yogananda said, that God does not know how great he is, otherwise he wouldn't be that great - no ego!!.

If you meditate upon God, sincerely, you will get your proof! And yes you are right in order to become God conscious you have to submit, but this is really about destroying ego, not about enslavement.

Lastly, Ortho, I think people have tried to answer your questions to the best of their ability, but you choose not to accept them, which is a different matter all together.

We all follow our own paths, right?

Is there no malevolent supernatural force at work on Earth...masquerading as God? Be careful which God you meditate upon! Beware of charlatans, tyrants, manipulators, deceivers, and pretenders! I have tried to make my case to the best of my ability on many different threads...and I continue to receive mostly chilly responses...when someone actually responds! Thank-you all for your warm and thoughtful comments!

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

People should probably study psychology, ethics, philosophy, and theology...and then think and do whatever makes sense and is responsible. I just wish for people to be good people...in their own unique way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjcNR7W-Ow

Namaste

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

People should probably study psychology, ethics, philosophy, and theology...and then think and do whatever makes sense and is responsible. I just wish for people to be good people...in their own unique way.

Namaste

Yes I did study those things in search of truth and like you wish the best for people.
To my mind people who have no faith of any kind but are kind and loving are just as "spiritual" as those who send a lifetime meditating.

Regarding other things being said.
Personally I have no need of external structure regarding spirituality but accept that I am dependent on others for the essentials of life.
Whatever works.
Namaste
chris

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

Lisa you can "buy" or believe whatever you want as long as you crucify your ego.

God point ~ surrendering the illusions of seperation to Be reborn in Oneness to me is the entire path.

Beliefs are beliefs. They limit. They are prison walls. They are attachments. Truth is an experience in Oneness ~ sometime beliefs can help us to move closer to experiencing Truth, but if they are not helping us achieve this higher consciousness experience in Being Now, then they are chaining us to duality, to our own prison of lack, limitation, powerlessness and suffering...

We must surrender our "riches" of human beliefs to gain the treasures of the Christ consicousness...

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Beliefs are beliefs. They limit. They are prison walls. They are attachments. Truth is an experience in Oneness ~ sometime beliefs can help us to move closer to experiencing Truth, but if they are not helping us achieve this higher consciousness experience in Being Now, then they are chaining us to duality, to our own prison of lack, limitation, powerlessness and suffering...

We must surrender our "riches" of human beliefs to gain the treasures of the Christ consicousness...

I totally agree with you on this!

[Steven]

Originally Posted by lisa

Thanks Steven, I share your point of view and you express it way better than I do.

Beren & Truthseekerdan, you guys are gonna crucify me for this...
Nevertheless, I buy Billy Meier's story:

• ET Gabriel got Mary pregnant with Jmmanuel (whom we call Jesus).
• So when Jesus look to the sky and say "Father", he is calling ET Gabriel.
• God for the ETs (according to Meier) is the most knowledgeable or spiritually evolved person in their society.
• We got the word God from them when they came to rule us in the past.
• Besides that, ETs believe that there is a Creation greater than "God".

My pleasure Lisa. I appreciated the reading of the Talmud also. What I found very interesting was the reference in the Universal Laws in this version of Jesus life. He called them the Laws of Creation, which are most definitely at work everywhere all the time. What surprises me is the near absence of the Laws of Creation in many religion and spiritual leaders. Well, to be honest, it does not really surprises me .

Personally, I like my Ego and will never attempt to crucify it . Ego does not mean egocentric of "big Ego". It is only your current personality, essential for your soul to evolve. I see there are a lot of different point of views about this, this makes the world richer! Here is how I see the Ego: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...6&postcount=41

I also see a confusion with the concept of duality. I have study a bit of buddhism, but I really do not see this concept as problematic. I see sometimes a confusion with freewill and choices. Freewill is a principle in Creation, so choices are available to sentient beings. Living with choices brings consequences and impacts on us and our surrounding. That's how we may learn and evolve with understandings. That is also why there are extremes, what we often "tagged" as polarity, which is not the case. There is duality, its nor good nor bad, it is part of Creation. Duality is also part of Oneness, it takes two for Love to flow in between...

Namaste, Steven

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by lisa

Nevertheless, I buy Billy Meier's story:

ah the guy that Jesus said is more spiritual evolved than Himself

all according to Mr Meier

I buy 2

[lisa]

Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and wisdom!

Yeah RedeZra, this I am not sure.
Meier never said this outright (as far as I know), but a few shreds of his material lead one to imply that he is Jesus reincarnate.

As with most people, I listen to many different sources.
I spend more time on sources that I find more reliable.
Then I buy some and don't buy some.

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Meier never said this outright (as far as I know), but a few shreds of his material lead one to imply that he is Jesus reincarnate.

Lisa,

Jesus did not have to reincarnate on this Earth 2k years ago.
He was already an ascended being (soul).

Jesus chose (volunteered) to reincarnate from Pure Divine Love that he has for us.
He knew that humanity at that time needed Him for spiritual awakening...

Hope this helps.

[Anchor]

Two posts that were immediately above this one have been deleted for inappropriate language and one that quoted same.

A..

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Anchor. Appreciate it.

[Frank Samuel]

14 chakras thank you for your detail answers. The purpose of my questions is to spark creative conversations emanating beyond words but directly connected to our infinite souls who holds the answers to many of these questions. Once we let go of the illusion of self many things become crystal clear. I hope my questions do not offend anyone for that is not my intention, I simply wish to stir your original mind to search for answers beyond the written word thereby breaking the barriers of our limited understanding of our origin. For there is so much more to learn and to grasp. I respect each one of your views and we are all here because we decided to incarnate in this moment in time for a very special purpose. Is an exciting time my friends .

Blessings and good night to all...

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

14 chakras thank you for your detail answers. The purpose of my questions is to spark creative conversations emanating beyond words but directly connected to our infinite souls who holds the answers to many of these questions. Once we let go of the illusion of self many things become crystal clear. I hope my questions do not offend anyone for that is not my intention, I simply wish to stir your original mind to search for answers beyond the written word thereby breaking the barriers of our limited understanding of our origin. For there is so much more to learn and to grasp. I respect each one of your views and we are all here because we decided to incarnate in this moment in time for a very special purpose. Is an exciting time my friends .

Blessings and good night to all...

Yes ~ And I forgot to put disclaimer above my personal answers above: Just sharing my personal take on things at this time ~ there is always MORE and discussion like you say Frank ~ that comes from us connecting to our own Divine spark within, and sharing what comes forth, is always the ideal ~ Espavo ~

[lisa]

Wow, still going? God is such a heated topic.

Originally Posted by truthseekerdan

Jesus did not have to reincarnate on this Earth 2k years ago.
He was already an ascended being (soul).

Jesus chose (volunteered) to reincarnate from Pure Divine Love that he has for us.

...and so it goes that Billy chose to reincarnate here to help us (according to the Meier material).

Greybeard, why do people like to add letters to their names (Dr, PhD, MD etc.) even when they are fake?

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by lisa

Wow, still going? God is such a heated topic.


...and so it goes that Billy chose to reincarnate here to help us (according to the Meier material).

Greybeard, why do people like to add letters to their names (Dr, PhD, MD etc.) even when they are fake?

Lisa, I personally started to doubt that you are really looking for enlightenment on this thread. Correct me if I'm wrong...

If you want to discuss about Billy and not God, then please start your own thread. Hope you don't take this the wrong way. Thanks!

Love and light,

Dan

[lisa]

My point is - If Billy is really Jesus, a lot of people are poo-pooing him off.
In addition, it is not hard to see why people poo-poo Jesus off back in his days (including those who think they serve God).

This thread is: "Why making God unfashionable never works.." and people are debating that.
If my point of view contradicts your religious beliefs so much that it disturbs you, please put me on your "ignore list".