Akex Jones interviews Peter Joesph - Zeitgeist

[Shakesbeer]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

zeitgeist is bunch of horse****

Despite the fact that Alex himself says he agrees with 90% of what Peter said...okay fine. Don't think you're not just reflecting the same kind fight mode of thinking (as in "fight or flight") kind of response that is fear-based to opposition of your opinion just like Alex did/does. It doesn't help to further anyone's cause and definitely isn't an indication of an open mind at all. In fact that would be the ultimate hypocrisy for someone who is supposed to be aligned against that fear mongering, hate breeding, manipulative mode of functioning associated with the "NWO" or "Illuminati". Like using anger & fear to express their views and impose their beliefs on others.

We know Alex means well, but seriously, he's going to give himself health problems if he doesn't learn to let go of his anger. He'll find he'll be more effective at his job communicating with others and will probably feel better too. That doesn't mean forget anything, that means just letting go the "grudge" that he seems to bear needlessly.

[swordsmith]

"WE" dont know Alex means well, not at all, and he already has health problems. The man is a case of walking adrenal burnout.
Alex hates creative solutions, it really rattles him.
What may have started out with good intentions has run amok.

How does Alex make you feel? He packs a mean punch, and is disempowering.
Not to say that he isn't right about some or even many of his facts, but why foment panic?
I am all for looking at the dark side, but in a calm detached and rational matter, so we CAN find solutions. Not run around in a panic.
Wow he's aggressive.

Both have their points...the problem is that their egos got in the way. The ego is the problem/key to all of this. The rest is fluff.

[Rebel4Life]

Here is a vid exposing Fear mongering Alex Jones By none other than William Cooper : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAgTFWglHrc If you still follow Alex and his "whole truth movement" then you might wanna recheck your facts and recheck the people you follow.

[Pleiadian]

Alex Jones is a hot head, it's unfortunate he is this way, it's just the way he is.

We should not discredit Alex as he does good work, has exposed a lot and generally has good intention.

If one listens to this interview carefully ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVnhh6Yqec

I deduce Alex and Peter Joseph were talking largely about two different things (ignoring Alex's childish play-ups).

Alex appears to mostly focus on the transition ... from the world how it is now to this "new world".

Alex did riase a good point though ... is our nature genetically linked (as in the aggressive cow/cattle breed example) or is it due to our environment / our conditioning (Peter's view).

If our nature is linked to genetics the "new world" according to Peter may not be possible.

Peter was largely talking about the end state of the new world, and one must admit it does sound good.

I guess the devil is in the detail, if we could do the transition, would the "new world", as presented by Zeitgeist Addendum, stand the test of time.

I believe a lot more discussion is required around the transition and the end game.

Heightened consciousness is a good start but many more issues need to be thought through.

I do however feel, we as a race, for the most of us, I do not know if we are ready for this "new world" yet.

[martian31v]

Originally Posted by Pleiadian

Alex Jones is a hot head, it's unfortunate he is this way, it's just the way he is.

We should not discredit Alex as he does good work, has exposed a lot and generally has good intention.

If one listens to this interview carefully ...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0XVnhh6Yqec

I deduce Alex and Peter Joseph were talking largely about two different things (ignoring Alex's childish play-ups).

Alex appears to mostly focus on the transition ... from the world how it is now to this "new world".

Alex did riase a good point though ... is our nature genetically linked (as in the aggressive cow/cattle breed example) or is it due to our environment / our conditioning (Peter's view).

If our nature is linked to genetics the "new world" according to Peter may not be possible.

Peter was largely talking about the end state of the new world, and one must admit it does sound good.

I guess the devil is in the detail, if we could do the transition, would the "new world", as presented by Zeitgeist Addendum, stand the test of time.

I believe a lot more discussion is required around the transition and the end game.

Heightened consciousness is a good start but many more issues need to be thought through.

I do however feel, we as a race, for the most of us, I do not know if we are ready for this "new world" yet.

hi pleiadian. i think your somewhat off on the zeitgeist position. they clearly state on their website (thezeitgeistmovement.com) that their position is not and end solution, rather a means towards improving our world. again, not utopian in nature, but ameliorative. peace.

[Pleiadian]

Originally Posted by martian31v

hi pleiadian. i think your somewhat off on the zeitgeist position. they clearly state on their website (thezeitgeistmovement.com) that their position is not and end solution, rather a means towards improving our world. again, not utopian in nature, but ameliorative. peace.

If bad nature is embedded in us genetically, it puts the very FOUNDATIONS of the "new world" model they present at risk.

Their model is based on bad behaviour / nature being environmentally influenced / bred.

Short story according to Zeitgeist is bad environment = bad humans, good environment = good humans. I dispute the latter if the genetic argument is valid.

[martian31v]

Originally Posted by Pleiadian

If bad nature is embedded in us genetically, it puts the very FOUNDATIONS of the "new world" model they present at risk.

Their model is based on bad behaviour / nature being environmentally influenced / bred.

Short story according to Zeitgeist is bad environment = bad humans, good environment = good humans. I dispute the latter if the genetic argument is valid.

a strictly genetic model that accounts for human behavior is not valid. our genetics only produce predispositions. our environment shapes our behavior to a much greater extent. our genes are not even static, they change along with our behavior. if so, then a middle ground might be appropriate. both genes and the environment shape behavior. at present, i cant do anything to improve my genes, but i can improve my environment, which in turn improves the individual.

[fox222]

Can't we all just get along? Alex is tremendous and has done so much for this movement or whatever you want to call it. He is more traditional and conservative so he resists some of the "newer" ideas of PJ. Alex was quite rude, but he is a fallible human just like the rest of us. You have to throw Alex a bone, because most people react just the same way he does to this Zeitgeist info.

I think jones will come around eventually.

I agree with AJ 97% of the time. This was a 3% interview.

PJ isn't perfect either, and I don't agree with everything he says, but they are both important people we should be proud to have on our side.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Pleiadian

Alex did riase a good point though ... is our nature genetically linked (as in the aggressive cow/cattle breed example) or is it due to our environment / our conditioning (Peter's view).

If our nature is linked to genetics the "new world" according to Peter may not be possible.

Look up "orthomolecular" medicine and psychiatry. Almost all violent and criminal behavior can be wiped out if the entire population is given optimal nutrition and [gasp] REAL FOOD. Each person could be tested for genetic variations and which nutrients they need more of and less of and almost all (90-95%) physical and mental diseases can be wiped off the face of the earth.

It is of course, part of the NWO plan that Alex rants about to deprive all of us of this optimal nutrition and fill us full of chemicals, junk food, genetically altered food, fluoride, pharmaceuticals, etc. The whole school system is set up to actually dumb us down so that we don't "think." Look up Charlotte Iserbyt.

Our food and nutritional environment are highly correlated with criminal and violent behavior. Just feeding school kids one really nutritious natural meal at lunch dramatically reduced disruptive behavior and gave the children the power to concentrate, learn, and cooperate. Vitamin supplements given in prisons made big reductions in violent behavior.

If nutritional intervention happens early in life before bad behavior habits are set, that is when it is most successful.

Check out http://alternativementalhealth.com/

[Bobcat]

At least Alex Jones is making an effort to do somthing. I listened to the shows and they had a spite at each other !!!!
I could see both sides of the argument....! What I can't understand is the stupid way you are all reacting!!

Maybe you should at least make an effort to do somthing yourself?

[King Lear]

I listened to that show.
And despite I didn't watch Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum fully, because I found it a bit boring and a bit weird.

I think, Alex (I like him and his show, almost listening to it every day) again was very rude. This always happens if the guest and especially a strange not famous caller says something that does not fit in his construction of thinking and NWO.

He really was unfair, especially I hate it when he always interrupts the guests and doesn't give them a chance to explain their thoughts.
He likes to hear himself talk, but why then he invites guests to his show?

The main problem with Alex and also David Icke, Jim Marrs and Wilcock is: they don't understand history correctly, especially European history.
And so they construct some very weird theories.

And this time again Alex did let out Mr. Hyde.


But still I like him

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Originally Posted by King Lear

I listened to that show.
And despite I didn't watch Zeitgeist and Zeitgeist Addendum fully, because I found it a bit boring and a bit weird.

I think, Alex (I like him and his show, almost listening to it every day) again was very rude. This always happens if the guest and especially a strange not famous caller says something that does not fit in his construction of thinking and NWO.

He really was unfair, especially I hate it when he always interrupts the guests and doesn't give them a chance to explain their thoughts.
He likes to hear himself talk, but why then he invites guests to his show?

The main problem with Alex and also David Icke, Jim Marrs and Wilcock is: they don't understand history correctly, especially European history.
And so they construct some very weird theories.

And this time again Alex did let out Mr. Hyde.


But still I like him

agreed, history can be interpreted freely by anyone now as we know we have been lied to for 6000 years or more so we can have fun there now.. i mean the zeitgeist guy is indeed boring and goes off on meaningless tangents. the fact that most americans are about to have the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse unleashed on them doesnt seem to bother him. forget the new world order we will start our own is his argument.

sorry zeit but the new world order is a fascist global superstate that will assimilate you into its techno control grid. he will be one fo the sheeple that get soft killed. he is not even in any kind of reality. he will get a rude awakening soon..

[martian31v]

call me insane, but i cant understand a purely spiritual position attempting to ameliorate OUR shared reality. i'm all for individual spiritual enlightenment, but the reality of our conditions are at present experienced in the material world. it would seem to follow that a material attempt at amelioration would at least be combined with individual spiritual enlightenment. and why do all the zeitgeist negativists continue to misrepresent the zeitgeist position. it is NOT utopian, communistic, socialist, or strictly materialist. if the zeitgeist negativists dont understand what zeitgeist is not, then they obviously dont understand what it is.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

no im not.. im a realist. the zeitgeist guy is a misguided do gooder with half the facts.. some of his stuff is ok in around about way. but he fails to realise his system will not be alowed to flourish unchecked by the world order. unless he himself is a new world order contolled opposition agent. its mostly mindless ***** that wont help .. zeitgeist is bunch of horse****

Push over there realist, this world needs idealists right now.

If you havent noticed ; over 30,000 veterans of war are dying every week, and thats just americans.

Now, let us just clarify that this is just people from an extremely advanced and technologically defended fighting brigade, can you imagine how many die from the bullets that came from these veterns guns..

Use your imagination.

We have lost MILLIONS from a man made disease called 'aids' and that was put into reality by you realists.

We've had enough of you 'realists'- (gob****es without an imagination), its time for idealists, so either lead follow or get out of the way. We people have had enough of you 'realists' its OUR world, and we will idealise it into existance, or die trying.

Alex jones is a fear mongering Agent whos only purpose is to provoke a violent revolution from the american people. And i wonder what would happen then!? Please, im 21 and i figured this out the moment alex opened his fat loud mouth.

[hyatt]

if peters (and others) vision were realized alex would be out of a job.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by hyatt

if peters (and others) vision were realized alex would be out of a job.

ohh and we wouldnt want that now would we.. poor alex, how could he make a living if he couldnt continue instilling fear in other people

[ghglenn]

If Joseph's world were realized, none of us would have a job. We would all join hands and play in fields of flowers...
There won't be a Revolution, and there won't be Josephonia. The only way anything is gonna work, is after mankind is pushed so far into a corner that instinctivly it lashes out at it's master and then decides to take action. With out a "major" push, I don't see us (mankind) making many strides toward the light...
That is not to say that individuals are not doing great and positive things, just not collectively.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by ghglenn

If Joseph's world were realized, none of us would have a job. We would all join hands and play in fields of flowers...
There won't be a Revolution, and there won't be Josephonia. The only way anything is gonna work, is after mankind is pushed so far into a corner that instinctivly it lashes out at it's master and then decides to take action. With out a "major" push, I don't see us (mankind) making many strides toward the light...
That is not to say that individuals are not doing great and positive things, just not collectively.

strides toward the light? How is being bullied into doing things helping you move toward the light? Money doesn't have to exist in order for us to progress, if money didnt exist we wouldn't simply lie in a field and hold hands, our purpose and drive would be for inner and outer exploration and knowledge of the universe. If someone decides to become a scientist, they would and they would do it for free because everything is free, and the purpose and drive would be to help man kind progress and expand their consciousness by finding answers. We need to completely adjust our way of thinking because our minds have been corrupted beyond recognition to the point that we are unable to let go of money.

[LadyGolfer]

Quote originally posted by SpaceMonkey:
strides toward the light? How is being bullied into doing things helping you move toward the light? Money doesn't have to exist in order for us to progress, if money didnt exist we wouldn't simply lie in a field and hold hands, our purpose and drive would be for inner and outer exploration and knowledge of the universe. If someone decides to become a scientist, they would and they would do it for free because everything is free, and the purpose and drive would be to help man kind progress and expand their consciousness by finding answers. We need to completely adjust our way of thinking because our minds have been corrupted beyond recognition to the point that we are unable to let go of money.

Hi Space, I agree totally with what you are saying.

[SpaceMonkey]

project venus isn't something he is pushing to happen in order to "fight the power", it's a concept. He is trying to get the point over of what is it to be human? We have money, we have law, we have muder, we have mass media, control, consumerism, fashion and all those things distorting what we are capable of. We are slaves in this system and we don't realise that our way of thinking can evolve and transend from where we are now. Things can be much much different if we truly see what is controlling us. Alex couldn't comprehend this.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

Alex Jones hates Zeitgeist because it threatens to educate people and free them into a hopeful future and promising future where human beings are above the base sort of activity and thinking that makes a man like Alex jones successful and appealing.

His sole purpose is to foment violent revolution. He always says how he's trying to "get everybody MAD! ANGRY! GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING!!"

He appeals to the lowest common denominator in the disaffected and disgruntled. He actually USES hitler tactics and body movements. He STUDIED how he moved people with passionate speech and body language.

He is either:
1. paid for by illuminists for them to be able to control their opposition that they so desperately need for this game to be pleasurable.

2. Puppetted by illuminists and lead to the conclusions he has espoused and quietly funded.

3. Possessed by reptilians or demons, or whatever the hell people think is possessing people these days, to foment revolution and thus entrain people into an easily recognizable expressivitivity (new word) so that they may be easily rounded up.

4. Really is an idiot and believes fighting and anger is the solution. what a tard. I mean really, who in their right mind would want to make people ANGRY!!! AARRGH!!

...I'll tell you

People with an AGENDA.

lets start a WAR...

hmm...who else likes starting wars?

the very people who make money, solidify power, and get their way by fomenting wars...

he is what he espouses to fight against.

BEWARE

-Your Friendly Neighborhood Thunderbird

I totally agree

Alex Jones is addicted to fear. He can't live without it. It's true that he has done some incredible work and has brought out very important information but there is also a spiritual side that is filled with positive possibilities that he needs to be in touch with. He is making a good living off of his business and he loves to be in constant battle.His way or the highway mentality. Take from him what helps you to stay informed and let the rest go. Peter Joseph had a real hard time trying to get his point across and I felt for him a little. If people could just find a way to communicate with each other keeping in mind the best and highest good (what a world it could / can be)..... Until everyone is perfect LOL-live and let live-be at peace and in cooperation with one another...

Namaste / Karma cop

[deb003]

Not to come in his defense, and I have heard Alex Jones various time.
We all have our own shortcomings. For some it's gossip, some it's too much worrying, some selfish, some judgemental, etc, etc.
I think Alex probably knows more than anybody else that his anger sometimes gets the best of him and to add to that, all the information that he knows and probably feels so much frustration about it.
He's only human and just like everyone else, has some flaws. It can be very irritating when you hear him starting to get impatient, rude, irritable so then, just turn him off. Sometimes I just push the forward button when he speaks because I really want to hear the information that his guests are there to give.
I know this might bother some people but in my experience, whenever I get really irritated by someone, it's because I see myself in them and my own character flaws.

[Mike]

I heard this interview live yesterday and was extremely disappointed with Alex . I listen to his show and frequent his site as it is a good source for alternative media, but I was shocked at how childish Alex Jones was acting in the interview.

Alex Jones invited him to the show but could not give him the common courtesy to speak his mind. Don't think that was cool.