Zeitgeist Addendum**must see**

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

he's a lying liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUCr9OorXU

I see you focus on what you don't like, which is the messenger instead of the message..
Anything you DID find positive?

[Chris Parson]

Originally Posted by Circlewerk

I see you focus on what you don't like, which is the messenger instead of the message..
Anything you DID find positive?

about what? zeitgeist addendum is amazing. i just don't like carl sagan or his smug voice.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

he's a lying liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUCr9OorXU

Carl was one fo the most inspiring people to walk the planet. Do some reserch. Read Contact, Pale blue dot or Cosmos.

Sagan did think it plausible that governments were misleading their citizens about UFOs, and that "some UFO reports and analyses, and perhaps voluminous files, have been made inaccessible to the public which pays the bills ... It's time for the files to be declassified and made generally available."

Dont be so negative. If a beliver like myself can admire Sagan, even given his skepitcal views on ufology, then I dont see why he should be labled a liar. He is only stating his opinion. big difference.

love & light.

[bennycog]

we must all be doing something right if these guys can get this information out and not be killed.
who are all the people associated with this doco?
who is funding this doco?
now we have all seen this documentary. we need to look at all people involved and quickly. we need to see the credibility of those involved to help us know that what is in this to be true. the proof in this doco is immense i know. there is probably not much time left to figure it all out, (if most other threads are to go by). if you wanted total love, truth, and pure light to break through, we need to discuss these and every issue. remember this whole project was created for the ground crew.
The ground crew is supposed to help people wake up by teaching or calming those that have not woken. Those asleep are not going to think love and being calm will save us.
Therefore it needs to be broken slowly to them. and our investigations into this documentary might just be our only way to communicate. so bound together ground crew.
benny

[bennycog]

one of the people involved in the documentary is.

Jaque Fresco. he has a website called simpleology.com.
in this website he is teaching people how to draw, and tells them to use this teaching to make money.

i think this needs to be explained as he is asking everyone to get away from the monetary system.

Roxanne Meadows (another person involved in the documentary) backs him up on this website.

I understand that we have to make money in this society, at the moment, until we are self sufficient. i think we just need to hear from these people as to why they participate in helping others participate in globalism.
benny

[bennycog]

http://www.prahlad.org/gallery/krishnamurti.htm

the guy talking in black and white.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

comedian quoted.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by bennycog

http://www.prahlad.org/gallery/krishnamurti.htm

the guy talking in black and white.

about krishnamurti:

http://www.gnosticteachings.org/the-...shnamurti-case

notice that this is a theosophic society page, whom were behind aryanism and their 'mistress' helena petrovna blavatsky's book "the secret doctrine" was one of adolf hitler's most favored ones.

addition: the writer of that paper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael_Aun_Weor

(..)Into the 1960s, he continued to write many books on topics, such as Hermetic Astrology, Flying Saucers,[21] and the Kabbalah. However, he also wrote sociopolitical works such as the Platform of POSCLA, a Latin-American Christian Socialist Party, which attacks the doctrines of Marxism-Leninism and any other aspect of "Materialistic Atheism". Members should be well versed in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion [24] and have a profound knowledge of Buddhist egolessness [25] and Yoga Ahimsa[26] to eliminate the Secret Enemy (the cause of war) from the macrocosmic social milieu: the personal life.(..)

[Chris Parson]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Carl was one fo the most inspiring people to walk the planet. Do some reserch. Read Contact, Pale blue dot or Cosmos.

Sagan did think it plausible that governments were misleading their citizens about UFOs, and that "some UFO reports and analyses, and perhaps voluminous files, have been made inaccessible to the public which pays the bills ... It's time for the files to be declassified and made generally available."

Dont be so negative. If a beliver like myself can admire Sagan, even given his skepitcal views on ufology, then I dont see why he should be labled a liar. He is only stating his opinion. big difference.

love & light.

if you take anything burisch or wilcock has to say seriously about looking glass, then sagan was clearly informed about it all.

and i've got a carl sagan book on my shelf right now. demon haunted world. its all about how each and every one of us on this forum is delusional and hallucinating.

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

iits all about how each and every one of us on this forum is delusional and hallucinating.

I accept that my experience may be perceived as that of an inmate in an asylum, however, I have been spitting out my meds after the orderly leaves the room, soon, as all the residual toxins clear, I'll be outside the hallucinatory realm ... and, the War in Heaven will be more clear ... white hats, black hats or free-soul > I Choose Free Soul (Magi, creative in imagination) ...

~ love and namaste my sisters and brothers ~

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

if you take anything burisch or wilcock has to say seriously about looking glass, then sagan was clearly informed about it all.
.

Right, once again, thats a massive leap & I cant see your logic at all. How did you reach the conclusion that Sagen was "clearly informed about it all".

What has that got to do with wilcock or burisch? (The least 2 convincing of the camelot witnessess IMO) Please explain. Otherwise your comments just seem totally unrelated.

I also have demon haunted world. Its a great book! You seem to have missed its point.


Anyway, this is all going horribly off topic.

[Chris Parson]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Right, once again, thats a massive leap & I cant see your logic at all. How did you reach the conclusion that Sagen was "clearly informed about it all".

What has that got to do with wilcock or burisch? (The least 2 convincing of the camelot witnessess IMO) Please explain. Otherwise your comments just seem totally unrelated.

I also have demon haunted world. Its a great book! You seem to have missed its point.


Anyway, this is all going horribly off topic.

all the looking glass stuff seems to be 'hidden in plain sight' in contact.

even if sagan was not informed, he's still delusional and CONVINCED that there's never been any ET contact and there's never been a demonic possession and there's never been telepathy, etc etc.

i just don't think anybody can be that smart and that deluded.

i don't like him.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

all the looking glass stuff seems to be 'hidden in plain sight' in contact.

even if sagan was not informed, he's still delusional and CONVINCED that there's never been any ET contact and there's never been a demonic possession and there's never been telepathy, etc etc.

i just don't think anybody can be that smart and that deluded.

i don't like him.

You are still making a leap. Hidden in plane sight? Come on man!
You are adding 2 and 2 and getting 5.
Carl spent years speaking with physicist Kip Thorne about how long distance space travel would be possible for research for his book Contact. They came up with the Einstein-Rossen Bridge mechanism that is used in contact. It has NOTHING to do with stargates, Burish & so on. Because you don't like him, you are twisting facts to fit your agenda of him being a liar.
Carl has said some incredibly profound things. If a contactee like myself can admire the man, even given his sceptical views on ufology, then I think you should be able to go back and give him another chance.
Just because he has a different truth to your truth or my truth it does not make him a liar. That he is a liar is YOUR assumption and betrays your biasness.

Also, I see you totally ignored the quote from Sagen I posted where he says its likely the governments of the world may be holding back UFO files.

RIP Carl. You are much missed.

[Chris Parson]

i hold sagan responsible for this bizarre wave of science zealots who have no regard for common sense. they are so certain that "strange things do not happen" that they dismiss any and all evidence immediately and without scrutiny. sagan assures them that they are completely safe and sound in their assumptions.

don't make me start quoting this book


my suspicion is that he was informed. just like you said. he said it is likely that the government was hiding stuff. he probably knew a lot more than that. doesn't change the fact that he influenced the collective psyche in profoundly negative ways.

you might miss him, but he would still say this entire forum is collective insanity and that we're all deluded and hallucinating.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

"he influenced the collective psyche in profoundly negative ways."

How can you say that..?! Sagan was an inspiration to millions. I have no idea why you posted that photo either. Baffled.

If you want to talk about those that are so certain that "strange things do not happen" that they dismiss any and all evidence immediately and without scrutiny, the look no further than Michael Shermer.

Anyway, its clear you are unwilling to even consider changing your mind.

Lets just agree to disagree & leave it at that.

[Chris Parson]

inspiration to millions to keep their heads buried in the sand. new york times best seller.

[Chris Parson]

"sorry you think you were abducted. turns out you're just crazy."
- carl sagan

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

"sorry you think you were abducted. turns out you're just crazy."
- carl sagan

As I stated before, I am a contactee and have accepted that people have a hard time dealing with that. Just like carl did!

However, I still consider Carl a hero of mine.


Acceptance is a great thing but not easy to do.

[wes_whitewolf]

It was once again an excellent piece and very well done. Glad they brought to light the Venus Project and their vision. Just wish we could get the rest of the world to watch it so they can pull their heads out of their asses and do away with this monitary system and the criminals behind it.
Can you imagine what the rest of the Universe thinks of us?
I can see my star brothers and sisters shaking their heads in disgust.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

carl had his faults, I am not disagreeing with you but I think you need to reconsider your view of him. It is terribly one sided.

And yes, he was inspiring & profound :

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Personally, I would be delighted if there were a life after death, especially if it permitted me to continue to learn about this world and others, if it gave me a chance to discover how history turns out.

Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.

[halebox]

I just loved the end great.

[Chris Parson]

he even said he thought panspermia was likely in cosmos. that comets could very likely be seeding life all over the universe.

he seems too informed to be as naive as he pretended to be.

[sunnyrap]

Thought I might interject before anyone starts duking it out that Mercury is retrograde and Mars and Pluto are in aspects that make miscommunication and hasty words almost irresistable. Something to keep in mind if it seems someone is 'coming at you'. Energies and emotions are really overamped right now with all the events of the hour anyway. I've seen people over-reacting on just about every thread (and have been snapped at several times myself over comments I thought had zero reactivation value).

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

carl had his faults, I am not disagreeing with you but I think you need to reconsider your view of him. It is terribly one sided.

And yes, he was inspiring & profound :

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Personally, I would be delighted if there were a life after death, especially if it permitted me to continue to learn about this world and others, if it gave me a chance to discover how history turns out.

Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.

I agree pretty much...good post!
Yes, he had faults. We all do.
He also was a skeptic which in my opinion is healthy.
I 'believe' he saw the light later in life though on the fact of ETs and such.

BUT, What do *I* know? hehe! I am no expert. I am just Dood!

[Peace of Mine]

Jacques Fresco, and Roxanne Meadows, who are featured in ZII, wrote the book: The Best That Money Can't Buy. They built a Model of their vision in Venus, Florida, near Okeechobee. [URL="www.thevenusproject.com"]

We took our grandchildren, 8 and 12 at the time, for a visit. Jacques sat us down in front of a model of his perfect world. He talked about organizing society to meet the needs of the people, for shelter and food and transportation, for education and recreation, time for family and community and travel. As he talked, Jacques illustrated by manipulating the robots and digging out the canals or showing a family sitting in front of a computer choosing and furnishing their home. Even the 8-year old was so enthralled he sat still and hung onto every word.

Roxanne then escorted us around the 25 acres where the domes they built themselves replicated the IA homes envisioned. It was easy to imagine everyday life with survival taken care of, with music, drama, art, or time to check out a kayak or a skateboard or a computer. It seemed so simple, why weren't we living this way now?

Our grandkids could discuss the ideas with depth and intelligence after spending two hours with Jacques and Roxanne. All the way home, we talked about how we could live in a world without the need for jobs and money and business and profits.

Now, my Granddaughter struggles to pay for insurance and fuel for her vehicle by working after school at Winn-Dixie. Tired to her toes, working for peanuts, does she dream radical dreams of a fair and sane future? Is she the generation that will Just Say No to Wage-Slavery?

Zeitgeist II makes it easy for me to stir the pot so that her discontent builds. Isn't it fun, creating this new world with delicious anticipation? This chaos signals that our time is at hand.

[Chris Parson]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

he's a lying liar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUCr9OorXU

listen to the smug arrogance in his tone

he sounds like reverend lovejoy