Individual sovereignty & personal responsibility

[Peace4Gaia]

Hi Truther, not sure what your case is about, but assuming it is in regards to a debt you cannot pay... you might be able to ask for proof of the contract... there are *three parts:
(1) Validation of the debt - an actual accounting
(2) Verification of their claim against you - a sworn affidavit or even just a signed invoice (as in, signed by a human being, not just a computer printout)
(3) A copy of the contract binding both parties - which I think means it has to be a document signed by you and the other party involved. Most "contracts" these days involve third parties and (some say) are therefore invalid, especially if they cannot show proof of your actual signature anywhere.

*This info is from Mary Elizabeth Croft's free pdf referenced in this thread (you can find a link above). I began taking notes on it, but haven't yet posted them... just not sure where things are going or if it's worth pursuing.

I have been thinking more about this whole concept... the only problem with any of this is the perceived power "they" have over you. When you imagine trying to survive "outside" their system, it seems impossible.

I think this is the one thing that keeps most people trapped... the threat of wage garnishment. It is very difficult to imagine a way around that. What could you do? ...change jobs every time the order goes into effect? Everything else can easily become "so what" -- big deal if you can't drive a brand new car or go into debt for a huge, empty home in the 'burbs... or borrow money to further entrap yourself. Most people can live quite comfortably without all that.

What is clear to me now is that this whole global economic system needs to come crashing down so we can build something that actually works for the benefit of all, not just the greedy few. The only system I can think of in the interim is pure barter... but that would take time to build, and I'm not sure how much time we have.

I hope you have a lawyer, and if you do, make them EARN it!! Ask lots of questions and make them explain every single detail. Don't go quietly!!! More people need to start asking questions!


Peace

[Peace4Gaia]

Not sure about some of the peripheral items on this site, but it seems to lay it all out in an understandable format.

http://www.usavsus.info/


Peace

[Truther21]

Thanks for the info, I will see if I can get time/date moved back. Thanks

[orthodoxymoron]

Peace4Gaia: Thank-you for posting all of this information. I've heard Jordan Maxwell talk about these issues previously...and it made me ill. I started reading your notes...and I had to stop. I'll have to try again tomorrow. There are so many technicalities, definitions, rules, etc. which are used to deceive, subvert, defraud, control, etc, etc. Some say that Washington DC is not part of the United States, and that it is not under the U.S. Constitution...but rather under Roman law(is this why the Roman Fasci is prominently displayed front and center in the U.S. Senate chambers?). Perhaps a comprehensive and exhaustive worldwide search should be made(if it hasn't already) regarding who REALLY owns what(and who)...and what authorities, laws, and constitutions REALLY apply to each square mile of Earth. The City States of Washington DC, Vatican City, and the City of London might be good places to begin. The title of this thread is the solution to almost everything: INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY & PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Peace4Gaia: Thank-you for posting all of this information. I've heard Jordan Maxwell talk about these issues previously...and it made me ill. I started reading your notes...and I had to stop. I'll have to try again tomorrow. There are so many technicalities, definitions, rules, etc. which are used to deceive, subvert, defraud, control, etc, etc. Some say that Washington DC is not part of the United States, and that it is not under the U.S. Constitution...but rather under Roman law(is this why the Roman Fasci is prominently displayed front and center in the U.S. Senate chambers?). Perhaps a comprehensive and exhaustive worldwide search should be made(if it hasn't already) regarding who REALLY owns what(and who)...and what authorities, laws, and constitutions REALLY apply to each square mile of Earth. The City States of Washington DC, Vatican City, and the City of London might be good places to begin. The title of this thread is the solution to almost everything: INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY & PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Robert Menard has recently made fools of two lawyers in Court in British Columbia Canada and they are now trying to get people serving Notice of intent and claim of right , to say that Robert has been charging them money to assist in this process which would seemingly violate the law . he has gotten so fed up that he has has devised a Crafty Plan . In Canada they want us to be members of society They don`t name it but the laws for it are crafted by the Upper Canada Law Society. Robert has decide to take the fight world wide now making more people aware as to what is going on and his plan is to create a new society .... the Free man On The Land Society, He has developed a new website devoted to this and is in the process of opening chapters in Canada , New Zealand, Australia, The U. S., the U.K.and europe ..... His goal is to educate as many as possible there is a fee for this but as a member of this new society it is permissible under the new society`s laws . I will post the link to this so many can join however the site may eventually be available to paying members only


here is his video describing his plan

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47111802&hl=en

the link to his Freeman Society

http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/index.php

[rfebres]

I started to read this thread just now, and the tittle really struck me as this is the key of being in control of our lives. With that said, as I have not much time to go and post my views, and because someone else has more eloquently put forward this knowledge, I would encourage you all to listen to the 3 videos that are posted in the following link:


http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/fifth.htm


There is great deal of good information here and steps of what we can do as to how keep our Sovereignty alive and well, specially the one called Creativity 'V' Control, but all are good


Love and Learning in Peace



Roland

[lovepromoter]

This is a fantastic thread peace4gaia, some awesome work is being done in the u.k. on -
www.thetruthwillout.com
www.tpuc.org
www.lawfulrebellion.org
These are all really really good sites, full of good info, much of the same that has already been put, but obviously the proof is in the pudding
just say NO and mean NO haha
marc stevens is also a good source of infomation.

peace and love to all

[xbusymom]

I have been posting on thinkfree forum and here are some threads and links to get off the grid…

private contract template (for work/income contracts)
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=2414

Soverign ID card
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10329

generating non-government wealth idea
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10248

understanding Social Security system and definitions
http://llstuler.wordpress.com/

alternative money system
http://hourmoney.org/

food/diet alternative
http://www.openfilm.com/videos/real_n_raw/
http://www.bluestarprophecy.com/foru.../page-2/#p1193
http://ooooby.ning.com/

Human rights (adopted by United Nations)
http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/i..._abridged.html

[Gnosis5]

I attempted to register to the forum but could not get past the almost unreadable confirmation code and got timed out. Please advise, thank you.

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Robert Menard has recently made fools of two lawyers in Court in British Columbia Canada and they are now trying to get people serving Notice of intent and claim of right , to say that Robert has been charging them money to assist in this process which would seemingly violate the law . he has gotten so fed up that he has has devised a Crafty Plan . In Canada they want us to be members of society They don`t name it but the laws for it are crafted by the Upper Canada Law Society. Robert has decide to take the fight world wide now making more people aware as to what is going on and his plan is to create a new society .... the Free man On The Land Society, He has developed a new website devoted to this and is in the process of opening chapters in Canada , New Zealand, Australia, The U. S., the U.K.and europe ..... His goal is to educate as many as possible there is a fee for this but as a member of this new society it is permissible under the new society`s laws . I will post the link to this so many can join however the site may eventually be available to paying members only


here is his video describing his plan

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47111802&hl=en

the link to his Freeman Society

http://www.worldfreemansociety.org/forum/index.php