Rael - Messages from the Designers

[elirien]

Oh yeah

Well just have a look here:

http://www.rickross.com/groups/raelians.html


http://www.raelpress.org/comment.php?comment.news.90

One World Government has a nice ring now doesn't it

Oh there are also the rael insider videos of hashemsfilms which I would gladly post but am too lazy right now.

Also the combination of the "Star of David" and the mongrelized swastika is quite a nice combination too now isn't it.

Have fun in that cult dude. You'll get over it eventually. There is still scientology to go to you know?

edit: Oh i almost forgot, why the hell do you trust him one bit? Did you ever meet those beings called Elohim?

And on matreia I would like all of you guys to have a look at William Cooper's perspective on the matter:

http://oneheartbooks.com/resources/a...ry_babylon.htm

[Captain Obvious]

Hello. Some comments.

1. They created life and most importantly Human life on earth after terraforming it a long time ago.

My view: the orion empire discovered Earth while on a traderoute. The Ancient Earthers, living seemingly perfect lives, were forced into chambers for genderization - male and female, whereas before, a blend of both existed. The males didn't like the bumps on the females chests, so the scientists coded a strong attraction for the bumps into the DNA of the males. The females didn't like the snakes between the legs of the males. After genderization, several different alien groups tampered with the DNA. The raelian tampering resulted in at least some type(s) of the asian bodies. Wasn't surprised when I saw the asian looking person by the rael radio stuff on the raelian site.

"Creating human life". Different alien groups tampered with BODIES, which will not animate without the spirit/Higher Self. Sony made the PS3, but not the electricity that makes it come to life.

Credo Mutwa talks a little bit about the genderization in one of his talks with David Icke.

2. They want us to accept them and invite them to come back one day to share and celebrate their love for there creations.

I see they want to be percieved as masters, but they are no master of me, and they certainly didn't create me. Doesn't sound like my kind of beings.

3. They asked Rael to build an Embassy with neutral airspace so they can land and have the official 1st contact with us.

"Earther, I am your father!" - maybe they've seen Star Wars.

[Alysse]

Off Topic: Just had to comment on your avatar (love it) as it's kind of our (my daughter and I) family flower - though ours is steel - like in Steel Magnolia. We are a couple of those strong of spirit women born in the South, yet gentle. Sorry, just realized your avatar is a lotus, not a magnolia but it sure fooled me. Looks just like a magnolia./

Originally Posted by Henry Deacon

Thank you. Your vibe detector is functioning properly.

[Captain Obvious]

I haven't been to the raelian site before, so checked it out. Here's a few things I've noted from the so-called maitreya teachings (extracts):

"a wonderful future thanks to technology"
My view is that the more you depend on technology the less you rely on spirituality. Tools; and once in a blue moon you might even find tech that actually works. Technology doesn't exist beyond 3rd density. Can make you lazy, as with a calculator instead of using the little greys. Anyways, a glorification of technology seems to be a common among alien groups, and new age groups with alien backings, which they more often than not seem to have.

"[love] give everything - a brain not emitting love is a maldjusted brain".
Polarity ridden non-sense. As with the turn-the-other-cheeck-routine, who REALLY benefits from this? The opressor, who gladly will.. TAKE everything. Sugar coated baloney which translates to "be a victim and *karplonk* everything will be just fine." Various alien groups seem to pick uncritical/whatever-you-say individuals to get their.. stuff out.

"a brain that sows violence and hate.."
is an immature spirit, lacking control over the body/a spirit which is ruled by the body. A spirit with some maturity would have picked that one up, yet the so-called maitreya does not.

"..stop following the rest of the sheep."
Don't like the order. Grain of making-sense amongst rubbish. A tactic to sell crap - put enough truth in something to make the unaware happy to get the first hit for free. "Get into the habit of asking why", would be a nice one, except for get into.. Mr. Commander ordering you to do 20 pushups, and if you don't add "Yes, Sir!" when done, he will slap you silly with guilt. Why? Because he (thinks he) knows what's best for you. Light 'n lovers use fluffy words, but polarity is polarity, wheter light or dark, it's all about control.

"We were born out of the dust of our planet".
Can't speak for him, though he appoints himself as the speaker for all having the human experience. I am a spirit, connected to my Higher Self, the real me. No dust, but some body and a whole lot of soul.

"The ground on which I stand on can feel nothing because it is not conscious. It's just a bit of dust with no purpose to its existence except to allow me to walk upon it".
Wow, the dust must be thrilled to have such an exalted reason for existing, maitreya's tiny disciples, waiting for his feet to grace them with the smell of old socks. Seriously, I think Earth spirit has something going for the dust experience, don't know what it is though.

On page 15 of 273 and got bored with it. At the end of the day for me, another alien group, meddling with a path which they just don't understand. They evolve as a group or planet(s), thus the various calls for a one world government or the fluffy Oneness - conformity. Different story here, but that they just won't respect at all. - In short, not for me. :-)

[Captain Obvious]

Bill,

You were one of the builders of this place so I don't see why you shouldn't moderate it according to its intention. You've invited us into your house so to speak, and of course you've got the right to keep it clean however you see fit.

[Zelphael]

I agree it's your right to moderate this board how you feel you should but I think this issue is very relevant, especially if there is any level of "higher control" over the Raelian movement, which is quite possible.

[majorlee]

im glad to hear people feel that it is nessercary to raise the issue of what Rael and the messages of the Elohim has to do with the big picture.

I have read from Indigo Children mentioning them too and lots of references from other groups not asoiciated with the IRM....

http://www.salemctr.com/newage/center31.html

like yourselfs i'm on a journey of discovery and adventure and i love to hear everyones point of view, even the skeptics and negetive ones, because thats the beauty of free thinking.

George Green talks about the ground crew in the same way Rael does for the Raelian movement and its difficult to seperate these two ideas on there merits. One has been interviewed, one has not - does this mean we cannot discuss the similarities between them. Unforntunatly do to media**** the IRM gets a bit of a bad press, but its great when people can destroy there conditioning and talk openly without a media influenced opinion

i hope i did not cause offence by posting about the Elohims messages and was not my intention to drum up support but to find other peoples opinions and ideas on a wonderful and inspiring message that i have found personally.

thank you bill and kerry for this and so many things - i hope u find the time to reply to my PM

love in infinity

rich xx

[elirien]

majorlee, I'm not here to pop your bubble or anything and this has nothing to do with you but please watch this.

http://hashemsfilms.com/component/op...mid,40/id,198/

There are a lot more. This guy is now being sued by rael for exposing him for what he really is. Please do have a look at this. All of you.

Be good majorlee and be patient and skeptic on every step in the search for truth. Just some friendly advice I hope you won't take wrong.

[majorlee]

Originally Posted by elirien

majorlee, I'm not here to pop your bubble or anything and this has nothing to do with you but please watch this.

http://hashemsfilms.com/component/op...mid,40/id,198/

There are a lot more. This guy is now being sued by rael for exposing him for what he really is. Please do have a look at this. All of you.

Be good majorlee and be patient and skeptic on every step in the search for truth. Just some friendly advice I hope you won't take wrong.

yeah i knew this happened a little before i joined (i think) and heard about through other friends too

these guys clearly broke the contract the had with Rael by doing what they did, so i guess thats why they are being sued!

it does not pop my bubble but its great you bring it to attention here, the wording at the start of the film is pretty nasty and does not reflect what i have witnessed and i have been to a few seminars and lots of meetings, some of which Rael was present. The Angels are there because they want too, not because they are ordered to be sex slaves, if they want to share intimacy with someone then thats their choice not Raels, or anyone else.

One of the reasons of the angel order forming was to give females a equal role in the movement since there was a lot of men who were guides. Also the feminity of the angels is refined to show others how they can act with love, gracefulness and compassion.

Sometimes western people can find the whole idea of respect of individuals quite challenging but on the contrary in Japan and eastern areas respect is a very common place in everyday life (bowing, not turning your back etc). And this brings refinement and can be hard for lesser refined persons to handle.

There are a lot more. This guy is now being sued by Rael for exposing him for what he really is

my personal meetings with him were interesting and enjoyable, we even had dinner once with about 10 of us and we laughed and joked about many things, he is a very public man, he enjoys people around him, especially if they hold a great deal of love for him, who would not enjoy that? But you could say he is very 'in demand' by members of the movement who want to idolize him, but he is always saying that he is not important, it the messages that are. Myself i just make a nice eye contact and say hello, but he always aknowledges everyone with eye contact and a smile

maybe the best way to find out about someone is to meet them and talk face to face and not to 'too' influenced by other peoples thoughts and ideas?

Be good majorlee and be patient and skeptic on every step in the search for truth.

the truth (hopefully) will happen one day soon as said about in the messages, but if it does not then i guess i will eat my words? like you said and Rael says keep asking questions, never believe anything, do your own research and look within yourselfs to find the right answers

love to you all xxx

[elirien]

Originally Posted by majorlee

these guys clearly broke the contract the had with Rael by doing what they did, so i guess thats why they are being sued!

Oh what contract is that? These guys are not commercially oriented you know. They are just exposing what happens in-doors.

Originally Posted by majorlee

it does not pop my bubble but its great you bring it to attention here, the wording at the start of the film is pretty nasty and does not reflect what i have witnessed and i have been to a few seminars and lots of meetings, some of which Rael was present. The Angels are there because they want too, not because they are ordered to be sex slaves, if they want to share intimacy with someone then thats their choice not Raels, or anyone else.

Perhaps they didn't share with you how they were indoctrinated to do the things they are doing over there. That is quite the possibility now isn't especially if there are people gathering for some new age guru that knows that everyone is born and dies alone. I'm not shoving religious dogma here but that's fact and people don't need these gathering places which I call cults and secretive societies.

Originally Posted by majorlee

One of the reasons of the angel order forming was to give females a equal role in the movement since there was a lot of men who were guides. Also the feminity of the angels is refined to show others how they can act with love, gracefulness and compassion.

Sometimes western people can find the whole idea of respect of individuals quite challenging but on the contrary in Japan and eastern areas respect is a very common place in everyday life (bowing, not turning your back etc). And this brings refinement and can be hard for lesser refined persons to handle.

As far as I have observed (which is probably lesser then you) I see just unquestioned submission which in my humble opinion reeks of mind control. I know what the eastern idea of respect since I am Turkish and have an understanding of Sufism. I'm not sure of the Japanese aspect since I don't know their religious/political structure but the Chinese ideal is quite sick and submissive rather then respectful which I observed with these poor people that rather then feeding a hungry person spend their time and money on these unproductive people.

Originally Posted by majorlee

But you could say he is very 'in demand' by members of the movement who want to idolize him, but he is always saying that he is not important, it the messages that are. Myself i just make a nice eye contact and say hello, but he always aknowledges everyone with eye contact and a smile

maybe the best way to find out about someone is to meet them and talk face to face and not to 'too' influenced by other peoples thoughts and ideas?

Well that's nice of course but these same principles apply to my mom and she doesn't gather people around her By the way why do you people need a 'movement'? If this is about the individual developing itself why do you need a 'movement'? Do you really need any of those people to read a book?

Originally Posted by majorlee

the truth (hopefully) will happen one day soon as said about in the messages, but if it does not then i guess i will eat my words? like you said and Rael says keep asking questions, never believe anything, do your own research and look within yourselfs to find the right answers

love to you all xxx

Well of course we will see but I'm not gonna wait a second for something to happen. I'm sure that Rael says that but it is important that it does not fall on deaf ears.

By the way, how are the human cloning facilities working over at the 'labs' I am sorry to sound cynical but is too radical for me to pass. Did these guys made a Rael double yet?

Peace

addition: I totally agree with you Chaos.

[majorlee]

heh no cloning as yet, think we are a few years away from the process of 'downloading' into a new body - but people are working on it! by the way there will never be a Rael double!!! not on this planet anyway!

I love Sufism its got some amazing qualities like all religions - just gotta find the best in everything.

u ask why we need a movement, its to spread the message of the Elohim, and if successful to help humanity adjust to the major changes that will arrise

if its all true and the Elohim come (if!) everyone will want to know about them and what they did. This will leave a vast 'spiritual gap' about the origins of God and it will be essential that humans from all faiths will ask questions, the members of the IRM will be there for humanity to explain and usher in the golden age changes.

ohh regards to the contract they broke....because they asked to film a seminar i think i'm right in saying they had to sign an official document first. a number of things were broken so they got sued. when u say things that are not true publicly then this is what happens, sad but he has the right to defend himself like each of us.

were not waiting for something to happen, the movement is trying to raise consiousness and meditating for a peaceful transition into the next age.

take care elirien

[elirien]

Originally Posted by majorlee

heh no cloning as yet, think we are a few years away from the process of 'downloading' into a new body - but people are working on it! by the way there will never be a Rael double!!! not on this planet anyway!

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

Oh this says otherwise dude and why do these guys think that we have to choose a human body? They are materialists aren't they?

Why couldn't there be a Rael double? Would the original get jealous

Just joking.

Originally Posted by majorlee

u ask why we need a movement, its to spread the message of the Elohim, and if successful to help humanity adjust to the major changes that will arrise

if its all true and the Elohim come (if!) everyone will want to know about them and what they did. This will leave a vast 'spiritual gap' about the origins of God and it will be essential that humans from all faiths will ask questions, the members of the IRM will be there for humanity to explain and usher in the golden age changes.

I think that is a pretty weak excuse. Don't you as an individual think that if those Elohim come over here they wouldn't need an emissary? Why the heck would anyone need one (I'm gonna rant about representative democracy in a second. stop me )?

Originally Posted by majorlee

ohh regards to the contract they broke....because they asked to film a seminar i think i'm right in saying they had to sign an official document first. a number of things were broken so they got sued. when u say things that are not true publicly then this is what happens, sad but he has the right to defend himself like each of us.

Do you know by any chance at which court house this law sued is being filed on? I'd like to have a look at the case.

Originally Posted by majorlee

were not waiting for something to happen, the movement is trying to raise consiousness and meditating for a peaceful transition into the next age.

take care elirien

That's nice thought. Although I don't believe that you guys need any bodies leadership on meditating neither an emissary for any transition.

you take care too major and be good.

[galaxygirl]

Originally Posted by elirien

majorlee, I'm not here to pop your bubble or anything and this has nothing to do with you but please watch this.

http://hashemsfilms.com/component/op...mid,40/id,198/

There are a lot more. This guy is now being sued by rael for exposing him for what he really is. Please do have a look at this. All of you.

Be good majorlee and be patient and skeptic on every step in the search for truth. Just some friendly advice I hope you won't take wrong.

Thanks for posting the link. I was going to do the same thing because I remembered seeing this and then realized you already had the link up.

[Jasper]

Raelian, is it a religion? If so, then it confirms it as a scam, like all other religions. The only following I would have, if I had to chose, is for Bhuddism, but in reality we are our own temple, which itself is part of the whole.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by galaxygirl

Thanks for posting the link. I was going to do the same thing because I remembered seeing this and then realized you already had the link up.

No problem. It's better to see it then to read about it in some cases.

[majorlee]

Originally Posted by Henry Deacon

please PLEASE

to Another forum... not here

Thank you,

Henry

i dont understand why?

is there something to hide here? confused?

[Aurora]

Hi.

I believe that alien presence among us is real. Indeed, I have witnessed something that could be a flying soucer (human made or alien made, who knows).

After paying a short visit to the raelian web site, I have come to the conclusion that if this man is a real contactee, then he was given either misleading teachings or some beliefs of these aliens.

If Rael was told lies, ---and it appears to be the case, then this is something that must be kept in mind, because it could point to some kind of attempt of this group of aliens to shape us humans for some kind of purpose.

If Rael was told the truth, then it would mean that those aliens are not advanced in the spiritual meaning of the word.
. . . . . . We all have a great path in front of us to be walked. But we have a some spiritual wisdom scattered among the main religions that for me appears to be much higher than the teachings of Rael.

My conclussion is that the raelian message is very important because it points to one of the following possibilities (I am assuming that his message was given to him by extraterrestrials):

1. It indicates that some alien may be attempting to trick us for their own benefit.
2. The spiritual elevation of some aliens may be lower than ours.

I give thanks to majorlee for sharing information about Rael and I warn that this person may be either spreading lies (that he truly believe) or spreading beliefs of an alien group that is spiritually less advanced than us here in the Earth.

This will be my last post about this issue.

Love, peace and wisdom for all.

[clayman]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Bill,

You were one of the builders of this place so I don't see why you shouldn't moderate it according to its intention. You've invited us into your house so to speak, and of course you've got the right to keep it clean however you see fit.

word..

Well... this movement is a negative one in my opinion.

The guy preaches that we are NOT eternal beings and that when we die, we die forever. We cease to exist. The only way to conquer death would be to clone ourselves and transfer our consciousness from body to body endlessly. He preaches this and he and his ets are the only group that preaches true death. That is negative and that is a LIE.

He also preaches that he is the real life physical brother of jesus of the bible and that he is half elohim... I don't believe that.

Everywhere else and every teaching, what I get is that we are eternal beings and that there is no such thing as death. There is no time so if you exist now, you exist forever and you can never cease to exist.

Stay away from this Rael group. They have too much negativity with them too. A lot of people have infiltrated their movement and have come out with all sorts of stories on how messed up they are. The only thing I get from their movement is a bunch of red flags. Too many red flags. I'd stay away if I were you guys.