The NWO, ETs, the economy, and Obama

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by bodzoyfa

Eli and everyone else,

I personally dont have, and have never had a good feeling about Barack Obama. I also do not identify with your assesment in this quote, but I understand where you are coming from.

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

[Vianova]

I have no doubt that Obama uses subliminal suggestivities
in his approach,
but to extrapolate that to mass hynosis is a bit severe.

All politicians learn to be actors.
Obama is an actor and a comedian.

Obama is excellent at hand movements and facial expressions.
He is also very intelligent.

Now compare him to the opposition.

Not too hard to get anybody's attention shifting to your point of view...
when Quasimodo and Barbie Bumble Doll are the opponents.

[bodzoyfa]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

bodzoyfa, which part of my assessment do you "not identify" with? Do you think that "they" will try to steal the election from Obama, even if it looks like a landslide?

Do you think the election is being thrown toward Obama? Please explain. I've been thinking about this stuff all year.

I read the first page of that article on Rense. It's laugh-out-loud funny. Here's a good quote, for those who didn't waste their time clicking:

"Obama is immune to logical arguments like Wright, Ayers, shifting every position, character, and inexperience, because hypnosis affects us on an unconscious and emotional level."

The Wright/Ayers/terrorist/anti-patriot argument is no longer logical. The only way this utterly desperate line of attack makes any "logical" sense is if you have amnesia and you don't remember 6 months ago. This stuff is old news, and it's already been chewed up, swallowed, regurgitated, examined again, swallowed again, and digested by the American people. Everyone already knows he's NOT a terrorist, except maybe Rense and a shrinking number of other Republicans willing to risk gambling their careers on defending McCain's slime tactics and smear campaign.

The above quote and the sentence following it on page 1 show exactly what this person's agenda is. If you want to buy into it, I'll not stop you, but I will remind you that it's old news, and the guy won the primary because he got more votes. He got more votes because rational people don't believe that BS.

You can't tell me some hack hypnotist got 100,000 Americans to assemble yesterday under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis to hear him talk about politics. No, you can't hypnotize 3.1 million people into donating to your campaign, including 600,000 new donors and $150 million dollars in September, half of which came from people who donate less than $100.

The fact is, Obama is trying to help us. You are looking at a real leader who has inspired and empowered people all across the country and the world to give a damn again.

250,000 hypnotized Germans enthusiastically approve this message and encourage you to take your country back.

Eli,

I understand that the hypnosis thing is an extreme idea right now, but what I dont identify with in your statement is not very extreme I dont feel. When you look at Obama you see real change and a real leader, and thats great that you feel like that. I, on the other hand, see a puppet who represents no real change.

I think its important to remember that just because an idea seems extreme and maybe outside of what one is willing to accept as possible does not make it disinformation. We are all speculating as to how far the rabbit hole goes.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

As far as ET civilizations having a "government", I'd say the proof is in the pudding. They are still alive, and can utilize technology far in advance of anything we have on Earth. They must be governing themselves fairly well in order to use such powerful tools without destroying each other, which is an understanding we as earthlings must grasp in order to evolve beyond our current situation.

I highly doubt that many of these alien civilisations are ruled under the same style government as us. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

When a race is governed it means that they cannot take care of themselves, heirachial systems such as this will never be effective because there are always those who will benifit more then the majority.

We have over 6billion people on this planet. The majority of them are living terrible lives. The proof is in the pudding. And it is not because countries like Africa lack democracy, it is because countries that do have a democracy have robbed them of their natural resources and their ways of life. This again all boils down to greed. And as long as there is greed, governments will not be effective and most certainly will not cater for the good of everyone.

Look at paris hilton, walking around on her 5,000 dollar shoes. Do you really think this is fair? I think its terrible, and the greatest sin of all to have some people like this waited on hand and foot whilst others live such terrible miserable lives. This is what governments do.

The key to true advancement is too empower each and every member of the race, so that all voices are recognised. Until we start teaching our children how to govern themselves we will continue to be locked into this pattern of human civilisations rising and falling as has been the case for many thousands of years.

govern ;

1. To make and administer the public policy and affairs of; exercise sovereign authority in.
2. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate: a valve that governs fuel intake.
3. To control the actions or behavior of: Govern yourselves like civilized people.
4. To keep under control; restrain: a student who could not govern his impulses.
5. To exercise a deciding or determining influence on: Chance usually governs the outcome of the game.
6. Grammar To require (a specific morphological form) of accompanying words.

So to say that you want a governement is to say that you are not responsible for yourself and your actions. You are handing over your reigns of power to someone who will most often then not abuse it.

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

I can see where your coming from about Barak Obama. He does seem to be the best out of a bad lot. But you must remember, presidents cant change very much, its quite suprising how far some will turn their cheeks when promised with wealth and safety. And those who do try to effect any positive chang get assasinated. R.I.P John F. Kennedy.

Humanity cannot move foreward under a monetary system.

Great thoughts, 2IAB.

I do not believe Obama will be assassinated. I believe there are powerful people behind him, and powerful people protecting him. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps after he's killed many people here will look back and forgive him for not being "perfect".

It seems most people here aim to tear down *any* possibility of things getting better on planet Earth. It's no wonder users are posting their disappointed goodbyes and leaving this place.

To lotusflower: I don't know what to believe. I believe these things because it makes me feel happy. I've done my research on all sides. There is plenty of evidence to help me believe we are winning. I prefer to gather these ideas and take them as my own.

Love wins.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by munkey

rid the world of all goverments and let people help each other as humans with compassion and not feel as though we need to be ruled by anyone.

Wiretapping, false flag operations, non-stop money printing, lies, and more lies... Enough is enough.

[bluestix]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

By lurking around a bit, I feel like I'm one of the few here who support Barack Obama's leadership. Here is a man who is risking his life daily, who already has more respect around the world than Bush ever did, and yet almost no one here can believe in him? I think he has a real opportunity to help repair this world. He is selfless enough and prudent enough to convince the hearts and minds of the people of this world to work together to help ourselves.

Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.


"It doesn't matter who you vote for, you always vote for us" -- Stalin


TPTB probably think it is hilarious putting a black guy in charge of the slave colony.


The American Express was a slaveship. Now it has a black CEO.

[notkuroda]

Originally Posted by bluestix

Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.


"It doesn't matter who you vote for, you always vote for us" -- Stalin


TPTB probably think it is hilarious putting a black guy in charge of the slave colony.


The American Express was a slaveship. Now it has a black CEO.

you just made a complete fool of yourself. That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by bluestix

Wow.

You are pretty naive.

Obama is a NWO puppet.

He is an intelligence agent working under Brzezinski.

He is British and probably MI6.

He is also a crackhead and has The Ghey.


Do your homework.

[snip]

Gosh. Aren't all black people crackheads? Isn't *every* leader an NWO puppet?

Clearly you're more intrigued by your own opinions than by educating yourself. Do your own homework instead of spouting your opinion as fact, and attempting to insult another as naive when you're merely parroting NWO talking points.

The NWO wants you scared, can't you see that? You're simply repeating the lies they invent to divide and frighten us. It won't work.

How can you be certain he isn't Muslim? Or a black supremacist? Obama is not British, nor is he a spy, but these are clever new lies I hadn't heard before. Read a little tiny bit of Obama's history before you call other people naive. It's well-documented.

Don't worry, if and when Obama wins, people like you will be able to blame him for everything, if that is what you want. Your post makes it abundantly clear you'd rather be snarky and sarcastic than challenge yourself to learn anything new.

Bush has been a horrible role model for this country. It seems no one can ever admit that their ideas might possibly be wrong.

[munkey]

from what I know of US politics,
Obama is all about change, yet he chose a very rigid running mate.
McCain is all about more of the same and chose a bimbo who can see Russia from her back yard.
The naive ones are the ones thinking that there will be change.
Smoke and mirrors once again.

[lotusflower]

Eli in Mi,
I agree with a lot you have said. I also feel that Obama is the way to go. I know a lot of people on the forum believe he is part of the NWO plan but how can you fully believe anything. All the information we have read and heard about can also be disinformation. My question is how do you know what to believe anymore. People keep saying do more research, investigate, read more, learn more...again--how do I know any of this information has any validity? On one side you have David Wilcock saying Obama is a good guy and on the other side people are saying Obama is yet again another puppet. All I know is that on the surface Obama seems to be the candidate that can bring about change, in small steps. Some people on here are also saying not to vote at all. That to me is a mistake. TO all out their..if you had to choose McCAin or Obama--who would it be?? I still believe in the good out there...I still believe that there are people out there trying to make a postive difference---The world is not all evil, the elite do not have total control...There must be a balance. What are your thoughts?

[lotusflower]

Anyone else out their watching the debate tonite? I might be the only one in this forum to be "naive" enough to do such a thing.

[Anticomuna]

He is a black man with a with an "evil" sounding name

If you apply the "one drop rule" then who is the racist? The guy has a white mother. He is obviously a mulatto, not a black man.

He is not sincere in any way, he is just another politician using race and divisionism for achieving his goals. All the allegations of connections with radicals would be gone if he didn't keep changing his story and if he just said right away what happened. He always looks as if he is trying to hide something.

He went for decades to a church where a hate spewing idiot would spread hatred towards non-blacks. Come on, be objective here! How can you possibly stand silently to that? It is like going to a neo-nazi meeting and then later claiming to be the "champion of tolerance".

Besides he is a welfare loving socialist. It means you should give bye bye to any meritocracy that might be left. Your money is our money. His tax cut is a tranfer of wealth program in disguise of a tax cut, because even those that don't pay taxes will receive money. How can you cut taxes on 0 dollars and still get something higher than 0?

I live in Brazil and all the left-wing loonies are pro-Obama. They see him as "their guy" on washington, mainly because his ideology that matches with lunatics such as Hugo Chavez and others.

Yesterday on the debate he criticized Colombia. The Colombian people is fighting against narco-terrorists financed by Chavez and other Latin American leaders. This only shows even more the true colors of Obama. He is threat to himself and others.

[msv]

Stop with all the negativity! The dark side is addictive, isn't it? The light shines many corners and is more powerful than you would seemingly prefer to believe.


http://realitysandwich.com/elections...in039s_potency

Dear Eli in MI -

First - I would like to commend you on your post and perspective. You are wise and have stumbled upon what I refer to as the Perfection of the Universe.

How is it possible for billions of humans to uniquely create their own reality while all living on the same planet? That is perfection at its best.

The key is perspective. We all have our own and we have complete freedom in this regard. Four walls: prison or palace? You decide. One World Government? Just another choice.

Continue to see the possibilities. Open up to light wherever it shines. Share your views as you are guided, but know that your view need not be defended. Each view has equal appropriateness and speaks for itself. The words of another do not reflect on us unless we make it so.

Recently, the following guidance was presented to me:

Do not fear or condemn the misuse of power; neither fear nor condemnation will save you from it.

By choosing to not fear the apparent structure of a particular construct created by another, you set yourself free of it. Enjoy this freedom and watch it create abundance in your life in forms others will merely overlook.

Best wishes to all,
David

P.S. And remember, the result of any election will not determine YOUR fate!

[Anticomuna]

By the way, the guy is a lawyer AND a politician. Every single debate or speech is carefully rehearsed and he portrays himself almost as a lawyer defending a case, whose intention is not actually to find the truth, but rather convince the jury that he is right and "win" it.

It is certainly effective, but it's not about honesty.

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you blue.............my exact sentiment

NWO means killing off 95% of the humanbeings in this world. That is obama's agenda and you best not forget it.

You need to go watch that movie again and listen hard.

Obama's change is scarey and you have to realize this before you vote and go around saying differently

Who cares if britney has $5000 shoes. I am just fine in my little white tennies........just materialistic and I find it disgusting to want and not work for it. I doubt if her shoes make her happy at all.

Share the wealth around......That won't happen. Look it how screwed up Acorn was is. Acorn was supported by Obama and Ayers. Not only that, Obama's brother in Law was also noted as the founder. You wont find that anywhere on tv. It was out there when the story first broke. I am sure I can find the article on someones blog if you would like to see it. Money buys freedom, we all know that. People need to understand that they do need to work for what they have and quit paying our government to get somewhere. There should be no free handouts to those that are able to work.....There s/b no taxes period What a dream that is....makes me naive to believe that would ever happen

Same lies new packaging. TPB have 2 candidates in the election and they don't really care which one wins.

If you want change, change the system. Don't go on about how picking Kermit is better than picking Gonzo because there's still only one controller no matter how clever the PR is.

BTW, has Obama actually proved he's a US citizen yet? I've heard all sorts of rumours about him not being eligible but not seen anywhere that these have been resolved.

[notkuroda]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

BTW, has Obama actually proved he's a US citizen yet? I've heard all sorts of rumours about him not being eligible but not seen anywhere that these have been resolved.

I've heard rumors that the sky is purple. I have yet to see any proof that it's not

[Anticomuna]

Originally Posted by notkuroda

I've heard rumors that the sky is purple. I have yet to see any proof that it's not

http://obamacrimes.com/

Except that the "rumors" about him not being an American citizen are well founded. And his campaign is trying by all means to delay this case until after the election. Why would that be?

Just think. If he is clean, if all his documentation is ok, if he has nothing to hide, why wouldn't he just give straight answers and get over with those rumors!? What is in it for him to let these stories continue, and every time a new piece of evidence comes up he changes his story? Please, use the gift of intelligence that God gave you and sum 2 + 2. It doesn't smell good, does it?

[Sarahmay]

Thank you for your support of Obama, Eli. So many people here on this board (and in the US) see nothing but fear and darkness, but they are just mirroring what is in their heart, and cannot see true grace and beauty even when it is right in front of them. Fortunately, many others are feeling the "high positive polarity vibration of service to others" of Obama and are responding.

[Anticomuna]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

many others are feeling the high vibration of this individual and are responding.

Doesn't sound like a criterion for choosing a president.

Hitler had a "high vibration" as well, just check the quantity of people that "responded" to him.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by Anticomuna

Doesn't sound like a criterion for choosing a president.

Hitler had a "high vibration" as well, just check the quantity of people that "responded" to him.

Perhaps I should edit that to high positive polarity service to others vibration, to be more specific.

Well, guess you just need to vote for McCain then, or write in your little Ron Paul vote to no avail, or just stay at home and avoid the lines! Or maybe you're not even registered to vote, or don't live in the USA, but feel like you need to comment anyway. Okay then.

[mntruthseeker]

When you listen to the video's out there, you will come to the conclusion that no one will run for the POUS if he is not put in the spot.

Obama, McCain were put in place. period. Actually so was Clinton. Many people have predicted that Hillary would win the nomination and they may very well still be correct.

Here is an article you might want to check into

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/20...s-obama-fraud/


also on a good note.......I seen a video last night that was of an interview that I heard him say that former president clinton helped him write his book. If so, it would be a wonderful thing for all of us.


If Obama is president, I will pray that he does right by all that adores him......I will not be happy with any so don't mind my ramblings. I just don't see him as my messiah and I will never put him up on that pedastol

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

If Obama is president, I will pray that he does right by all that adores him......I will not be happy with any so don't mind my ramblings. I just don't see him as my messiah and I will never put him up on that pedastol

Thanks for your comments! Your icon photo scares me, BTW.