Knowing and freedom

[Northern Boy]

Good points made Brook. I`m not a big Tolle fan but I will say this there are times when a persons Ego can cause his head to swell and his eyes to shut and it does cause them to miss what is in plain site

[BROOK]

Thank you Northernboy...but this is not only about Tolle....it's everywhere I look.... Example:

Taoist Ethics

Selflessness

One thing basic to the Taoist belief is a redefinition of "self" or "ego." Taoists believe that the way we try to stand outside ourselves in the attempt of self-observation is the source of most, if not all, of our unhappiness and loneliness, simply because in order to observe as such, we must see our "self" as separate from other "selves." This creates many unnecessary and troublesome illusions, and is based on an untrue assumption: that organisms are mutually exclusive. For a good argument against this assumption, as well as some of the negative affects of the illusions it creates, it is recommended that you read The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are by Alan Watts.
The goal of Taoism isn't to obliterate the ego, simply because this isn't possible. In order to stop ourselves from seeing ourselves as separate, we must see ourselves as separate, which creates a never-ending paradox. The goal instead is to keep our attention on the greater whole, the process to which there is a pattern, which is known to always return the source.

The Tao is infinite, eternal. Why is it eternal? It was never born; thus it can never die. Why is it infinite? It has no desires for itself; thus it is present for all beings. The Master stays behind; that is why she is ahead. She is detached from all things; that is why she is one with them. Because she has let go of herself, she is perfectly fulfilled.



Source: http://www.taoism.net/articles/mason/ethics.htm

[14 Chakras]

Mudra, beautiful poetry. Thank you for shining the sun of your Beingness, keep it bright so we can bask in the rays.

[14 Chakras]

Brook, thank you for sharing.

I like the idea of knowing, knowing the truth that will set us free...

for me true knowing, comes from Being... it's not a matter of mind knowledge, it's a matter of achieving unity with the higher consciousness that is inside, I and my father are one.

When we are Being, we're coming from that higher place, we're storing up the treasures in heaven because we're multiplying our light, our talents are being multiplied.

When we're Being, we're beyond thinking, we're in the Now, we're letting the consciousness within be the doer.

To Be, or not to Be, that is the question.

I agree it is impossible to 'obliterate' the ego... however, it is very possible to transmute it. That's what divine alchemy is all about. Turning the base metal of the human ego into the Gold of the I AM within. Being reborn into our higher identity as Jesus described. The Phoenix symbolizes this rebirth, and it will happen in us when we are ready...

The caterpillar will turn into the butterfly.

[14 Chakras]

Thanks to all who contribute on these threads. All contributions are valuable. I personally appreciate. Together we are seeking and finding and becoming More.

[Tango]

Mudra....

Girl, You are trooly "brillant." WoW...


Tango

Originally Posted by mudra

[I]To See

To see, to really see,
you must take off your head
and put it well aside, friends.

Open the eyes of your heart instead.
Open the ears of your soul
...

[mudra]

Be well Brook

Peace in your heart and love always
mudra

[Wormhole]

Beautiful to hear you again Brook!

More quotes from E.Tolle:

"What is your relationship to the present moment?

What you resist persists.

Accept what "is" first, action from acceptance, not resistance.

How present you are defines your spirituality.

The ego overlooks the now.

People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy.

Ego constantly compares itself to others to find spirituality.

The ego is a false sense of self based in concepts people identify with.

Wanting keeps the ego alive more than having."


I keep these posted in my office to remind myself where I am and what is real. Thank you for this thread.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I decided to rejoin for a time to sort some things that have been bothering me.

I am glad you are back, and that was a cracking good post !!!

A..

[Unified Serenity]

It's nice to have you back. We each definitely have our own path. I'm not sure it is running to leave the rat race, as it could be choosing to walk a better more peaceful path and show our children a different way.

[giovonni]

Greeting's my Friend
So wonderful too see you back and feel your presence!

Your words
"My ego fights a battle with me every day...and so does yours..it's something you cannot run from. It's always there. As long as you are in this 3D existence...you will have to deal with it...getting it under control by KNOWING is the KEY!

Are you going to go off the words of other ego driven ones that tell their truth? Or are you going to search your own truth...it's up to you what you let your ego take control of.

You all want freedom......

Ahhhh FREEDOM!"

This is very profound ~ and hopefully will reasonates with all here.

I very much agree with this
Much love always<>too you BROOK<>Gio

[BROOK]

If you can get past the intensity of Jake and his EGO in the part one video...there is very good information there.
Here is part two and three...very good enlightening information.

[mudra]

Oops sorry double posting

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Welcome back Brook. Your presence is appreciated here.


When I left it was due to the fact that separation was of key importance and starting radiant zones was in the making...and being Advertised. Not a good idea....in my opinion.


[/LEFT]
[COLOR=Plum][I][B] Setting goals for contingency plans [COLOR=Cyan]is not a bad thing....however I had a huge problem with taking the energy you possess to a centralized spot to isolate from the world.

I see it this way it's not the world that creates us but we who are creating the world.
The one we are in right now is a sinking ship with lots of holes and leaks into it.
The values it holds don't guarantee peace and a decent place to live for the whole of humanity.
While some as you and me and many others on this planet are staying in the front patching the wounds by offering our light and our hearts others in the back yard are aiming at the construction of a fresh new boat. I think this is only fair and sound. This is consciousness at work and evolving from chrysalis to free butterfly.
Life is about changes and freedom is being where one feels he has to be to fullfill his role in the co-creation of the higher plan.
Feel the love and Know that this is unity at work and that we all stand in ONE world.



[COLOR=Cyan]We are all here searching for truth and knowing...but the most important thing you need to realize is you already have the truth.


"Freedom is man's capacity to take a hand in his own development. It is our capacity to mold ourselves."
-- Dr. Rollo May

Some of the greatest prophets have told you ..you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Good points

Loving kindness
mudra

[Oliver]

BROOK: We are all here searching for truth and knowing...but the most important thing you need to realize is you already have the truth.
It's embedded within every cell of our body....all you need to do is tap into it..what is preventing you from tapping into it....it this...EGO


Stright in the center, Brook. Congratulation!
Ego is not only preventing us TO KNOW, but also TO LOVE unconditionally, TO GIVE without expecting anything for return, TO COMPASSION, TO ADMIT that somebody is greater than us, TO RESPECT, TO SERVE THE OTHERS, to…and finaly TO BE FREE.

That beast – The Ego! The source of all evil!

[rhythm]

When people see things as good

other things become bad ...

SO nice to see you here Brook

[BROOK]

Welcome back Brook. Your presence is appreciated here.

Coming from you Mudra, after the incident on your thread that is comforting.

I see it this way it's not the world that creates us but we who are creating the world.
The one we are in right now is a sinking ship with lots of holes and leaks into it.
The values it holds don't guarantee peace and a decent place to live for the whole of humanity.
While some as you and me and many others on this planet are staying in the front patching the wounds by offering our light and our hearts others in the back yard are aiming at the construction of a fresh new boat. I think this is only fair and sound. This is consciousness at work and evolving from chrysalis to free butterfly.
Life is about changes and freedom is being where one feels he has to be to fullfill his role in the co-creation of the higher plan.
Feel the love and Know that this is unity at work and that we all stand in ONE world.

The world we live in now, is more than a sinking ship. I'm of the opinion the it's in the process of a great evolution. It's already happening, and you can see it clearly, even within our own societies over the last 200 years. Remember when women couldn't vote? That was a religious issue. Did you know that? Many died trying to keep women from voting, and felt it was their "moral duty" under God to keep men in charge. Whose rules do you think they were following?
When we achieved our first heart transplant, many were outraged about the spiritual implications of what was being done, believing that the spiritual soul of one person would be damaged due to receiving the heart of another. They opposed it, and felt the opposition was from God.

Nowadays, we smile in wonderment as we look at how our culture was back then. You have to ask, "What were we thinking?" Believe me, you'll do the same in another 25 years! What's happening today, belongs to today. It doesn't represent our internal divinity. It is still being evolved by means of those who ask to vibrate higher, and who then receive the wisdom. The wisdom is yours, and resides inside.
The ego keeps it from others who will some day wake up as well. And they will need our love the most....the ones we are in fear of need us the most.

This evolution will happen in every part of the world..not just some parts, and not for just some people.. And in the end as was promised to us when we came here, so many times before...it will be a paradise...we will experience love and unity..of the whole.... It is our destiny.

[BROOK]

I'll add..the problems we are facing right now are crated by EGO..the ego of the ones that feel the need for complete power.

The truth..there is more than enough food to go around to feed the hungry..and if we took all that money for Wars, and spent it on housing, we could shelter everyone.

You know that is the truth.

Several months ago I started a thread with Zeddo, about "Be the change you want to see"....our idea was to contact every peace organization in the world..and create a "strike"..to stop all war...because in truth..they need us to fight those wars.

THEY are of the very small minority..and they are somewhat afraid of the truth getting out...they are afraid of one thing in particular....LOVE
Because love will end it all. And their EGO'S will not be able to handle it.

It's all created by EGO..this scared fearful entity in us that creates all this chaos ...the day will come when we no longer need that ego to tell us what we already KNOW...it in our DNA...in every cell of our body.
So even if you don't meditate...sit quietly and repeat to yourself every day..."I know"...the more you do it the more will come..and soon you will know..... you won't need your EGO anymore.

Blessings
Brook

[runtofly]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I'll add..the problems we are facing right now are crated by EGO..the ego of the ones that feel the need for complete power.

Couldn't be any simpler. Thank you for your statements, and welcome back.

-Runtofly

[BROOK]

The worst predictions of those who say they "know" have nothing to do with Ultimate Reality.

Do not buy into what others are telling you -- even if those others are people in authority,
people who seem to have all the information and all the understanding and all the answers.

Embrace, instead, the desires of your heart, and make those your experience.

[BROOK]

Peace

is a term that most commonly refers to an absence of aggression, violence or hostility, but which also represents a larger concept wherein there are healthy or newly-healed interpersonal or international relationships, safety in matters of social or economic welfare, the acknowledgment of equality and fairness in political relationships and, in world matters, peacetime; a state of being absent of any war or conflict. Reflection on the nature of peace is also bound up with considerations of the causes for its absence or loss. Among these potential causes are: insecurity, social injustice, economic inequality, political and religious radicalism, and acute nationalism.

This is the only thing to strive for...then we will achieve

Freedom

the absence of interference with the sovereignty of an individual by the use of coercion or aggression.

All it's going to take is removal of EGO from the powers that be....can it be done?....you tell me...because you KNOW

Know Freedom and Peace

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Coming from you Mudra, after the incident on your thread that is comforting.

The world we live in now, is more than a sinking ship. I'm of the opinion the it's in the process of a great evolution. It's already happening, and you can see it clearly, even within our own societies over the last 200 years. Remember when women couldn't vote? That was a religious issue. Did you know that? Many died trying to keep women from voting, and felt it was their "moral duty" under God to keep men in charge. Whose rules do you think they were following?
When we achieved our first heart transplant, many were outraged about the spiritual implications of what was being done, believing that the spiritual soul of one person would be damaged due to receiving the heart of another. They opposed it, and felt the opposition was from God.

Nowadays, we smile in wonderment as we look at how our culture was back then. You have to ask, "What were we thinking?" Believe me, you'll do the same in another 25 years! What's happening today, belongs to today. It doesn't represent our internal divinity. It is still being evolved by means of those who ask to vibrate higher, and who then receive the wisdom. The wisdom is yours, and resides inside.
The ego keeps it from others who will some day wake up as well. And they will need our love the most....the ones we are in fear of need us the most.

This evolution will happen in every part of the world..not just some parts, and not for just some people.. And in the end as was promised to us when we came here, so many times before...it will be a paradise...we will experience love and unity..of the whole.... It is our destiny.

I agree Brook ,

Whereever spirit is change can and is taking place. And spirit is everywhere.
The only place to be is in one's heart . Follow your heart's call and whereever it takes you'll be in the right place and the right time for you always.

Loving kindness
mudra

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by mudra

I agree Brook ,

Whereever spirit is change can and is taking place. And spirit is everywhere.
The only place to be is in one's heart . Follow your heart's call and whereever it takes you'll be in the right place and the right time for you always.

Loving kindness
mudra

I agree...just don't let the heart be driven by the ego...it may want to scare the living daylights out of you by others who say they know the "Truth"...when in fact their truth is driven by their egos....what a web of deception the ego can weave....Just learn to
KNOW PEACE...and FREEDOM will follow
As I said..

The worst predictions of those who say they "know" have nothing to do with Ultimate Reality.

Do not buy into what others are telling you -- even if those others are people in authority,
people who seem to have all the information and all the understanding and all the answers.

Embrace, instead, the desires of your heart, and make those your experience.

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Knowing Peace.....from the Prophets

saying of Buddha

Hostility is never conquered by hostility in this world; hostility is conquered by love. That is the Eternal Law


Saying of Jesus Christ

He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I agree...just don't let the heart be driven by the ego...it may want to scare the living daylights out of you by others who say they know the "Truth"...when in fact their truth is driven by their egos....what a web of deception the ego can weave....Just learn to
KNOW PEACE...and FREEDOM will follow
As I said..

[I]

Love does not want or fear anything.
Echkart Tolle

Loving kindness
mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

Brook: The first post was a great one!

One can live in the city...or close to the city...and still focus on nature. We need to bring more nature and love into the cities...and we can't do this if we are hiding in safe places. If things really go downhill...there may be no place to hide anyway. I have no plans to run away. I'll go down with the ship.

The Sigmund Freud quote was priceless:

"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

I keep repeating the 'Responsible Freedom' mantra...over and over again. Constitutional Responsible Freedom will break the back of the New World Order.

Pride and arrogance are bad things. Recognizing the divinity in all of us is a good thing. I try to see Christ in all persons.

Namaste