What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Sanat

You have made your position clear in a polite manner and that is appreciated. May I suggest that you start your own thread offering your services there to those that are attracted to it? Not that you are not welcome here of course, but perhaps it would be more effective to "play your own game" so to speak. Your point is, and has been, that this whole thread is based upon something you do not "buy into". As you say yourself; then we will have to agree to disagree.

No one here is part of any "group" either. You incorrectly percieve me/us as belonging to the "new age religion group" as you call it. I do not belong to any group at all. You say it offended you to be called "Alan Watt follower", yet you do not hesitate to put people into categories instead of seeing them as individuals sharing from their own experience as an individual. Don't you think it can be hurtful to others that you percieve them that way? Imagine the possability that the RA material gave someone the same experience of Awakening as Alan Watt gave you... Even if you think it is BS, as I am sure many think Alan Watt is BS, that does not make it any less real for them (or you). I find that kind of ironic. But hey, that's just me. Anyway, your point is made mr. Doom (mooD?). Despite of that this thread will run its course. We will just have to agree to disagree on that matter. Thanks for your understanding.

btw. Sanat has two obvious anagrams (Satan and Santa = Saint). Both live as potentials in the human mind. It's all a matter of what path each choose to explore. In the end they cancel each other out like matter and anti-matter and only pure energy is left. We see amplified in others what we oppress and refuse to face in ourselves ("before you judge the splinter in your neighbor's eye, take out the log in your own eye"). Yes, we are all here to make the world a better place. But some people choose not to fight fire with fire. I always prefer water when it comes to put out fire myself. I find that most effective. Sometimes a blanket will do also. But water is the best. I have yet to see firemen using flamethrowers to extinguish the fire in a burning building. Perhaps that is what they used on building 7? I don't know. If you don't mind I will stick to water as that is what works for me. Thanks a bunch!

Love,

Sanat

No prob Sanat, I don't mean to hiijack your thread, just wanted to put that opinion out there for others to see, it is relevant in this thread, but I won't derail the thread topic to focus on my opinion on the matter any longer.



just one last comment if i could,

'Sanat has two obvious anagrams (Satan and Santa = Saint). Both live as potentials in the human mind. It's all a matter of what path each choose to explore.'

I'm not accusing you or anything, but I read this as being pretty much textbook freemasonic doctrine, might as well add on about how lucifer is the light and we all need to be in that light, etc. Are you a fan of Crowley by any chance? You're sig would seem to indicate that too.



Oh and btw, my username 'Doom', its simply a nickname that was derived from my last name. For my whole life, my nickname given to me by others because of my last name has been either Doomee, Dooman, or just Doom. My last name starts with 'Dum' and since it's pronounced 'doom' I put Doom, cause obviously I don't want to name myself 'Dum' LOL.

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by Doom

No prob Sanat, I don't mean to hiijack your thread, just wanted to put that opinion out there for others to see, it is relevant in this thread, but I won't derail the thread topic to focus on my opinion on the matter any longer.

just one last comment if i could,

'Sanat has two obvious anagrams (Satan and Santa = Saint). Both live as potentials in the human mind. It's all a matter of what path each choose to explore.'

I'm not accusing you or anything, but I read this as being pretty much textbook freemasonic doctrine, might as well add on about how lucifer is the light and we all need to be in that light, etc. Are you a fan of Crowley by any chance? You're sig would seem to indicate that too.

Oh and btw, my username 'Doom', its simply a nickname that was derived from my last name. For my whole life, my nickname given to me by others because of my last name has been either Doomee, Dooman, or just Doom. My last name starts with 'Dum' and since it's pronounced 'doom' I put Doom, cause obviously I don't want to name myself 'Dum' LOL.

I have never been and will never be a freemason. Hehe. I probably could not get in if I wanted to. I am of no importance in society. I am not a fan of Crowley neither. I see him as a confused being who played with fire and got pretty damned burned. But I really don't know and care to know all that much about him. I don't believe he was/is the most evil person this world has seen. That is for sure. The competition for that title is pretty rough... Anyway, thank you for being so understanding and for the service you provide to this world. If you do make a thread about the "new age religion" etc. do let me know. I would like to follow it... Thanks

[Sanat]

I would like to recommend to everyone following this thread Camelots interview with James from WingMakers.com. Especially his "quantum methods" of Awakening are worth paying attention to. Very simple and practical methods. They remind me of Buddha's Vipassana meditation which is also focused on breath. James' instructions are very clear and easy to follow. This can be a powerful introduction to meditation.

A little quote:

While you are in the Quantum Moment, you see the fork in the road is always one of two ways: truth or dishonesty. Truth is the breath of life issuing from the Sovereign Integral. Dishonesty is the Human Mind System parroting the knowledge and information that is ricocheting in every corner of our lives via cell phones, television, books, seminars, movies, podcast, e-papers, websites, newspapers, and human relations. [...]

The Quantum Moment helps you to be present in the moment and to see your Self as the observer, not passing judgment on others or yourself, but retaining the sober assessment of the Sovereign Integral and applying forgiveness and understanding to the passage in which you most recently entered throughout your life. It becomes a way of life.

On 2012:

The Incunabula was designed originally to prepare the human domain for the return of Anu, the Anunnaki King who originally designed and co-created the human species. Part of the myth surrounding the return of Christ was associated with this expectation as it was whispered into the religious doctrine by those who knew of the true extent of the Second Coming.

However, Anu is not coming because the game has been changed within the dimensions. The original plan was that Anu would enter our world several years prior to 2012, which would provide him time to prepare his staff – the Incunabula – for the end of time, or what has been referred to in the popular media as 2012. The end of time was construed to be the end of the human programmed existence; the demise of the Human Mind System – the crashing down of the prison walls that have deceived humankind from realizing its true nature as Sovereign Integrals.

The end of time will be very much like a strong wind that passes over a calm sea and only those boats who have their sails unfurled and are prepared will notice the effects of the wind. Others will be so distracted, so fearful, that they do not even notice the wind, or, if they do, it will not occur to them that it is unveiling a new direction, a new shore, a new way of expressing life.

To understand some terms here you really need to read the whole interview in context. These quotes are simply meant as "teasers"...

[macrostheblack]

Why focus on 2012? How many times in history have there been warnings of doomsday? I thought that i had read that the 2012 event had been averted. Though long before this I saw this year as being non eventful. We have passed that problem people.

There is now no harvest to be concerned about and any related info should be forgotten. Instead focus on healing so that future events cannot occur in the way described.

Use the mind to send healing - see flowers growing where they cannot.

See help given to those troubled.

Stop placing energy into areas that are destructive. Place it instead where it is needed. Its so simple, use the mind and imagine together a better future and share it here.

Macros

[macrostheblack]

I regret my manner here but lets use this thread to discuss our healings and intentions for the earth.

Many minds working together will make miracles happen!

Lets heal and repair.

Macros

[Sanat]

The Harvest is not "doomsday" or a "dreadful event", it is a natural event. It makes sure that those people that have gotten their "act together" no longer have to mingle with all those that have not. And there is no separation. We are here to make sure the transition is a smooth as possible. If you read up on the thread before posting perhaps you will see that we are not "doom/gloom" focused. But rather curious on what will be the peak of this Ascension experience.

Dec. 6, 2008

Before We Were Born, This is What We Told God

1. We told God we would live in joy and that it would come naturally as we remembered more about who we are.

2. We told God that we would work in collaboration with Him in the Now, in order to bring Goodness to all of Creation.

3. We told God that we would serve to expand His Universe as opposed to serve to collapse it.

4. We told God that we would Love our fellow humans, and that there would be No favoritism, as we are all equal in His eyes.

5. We told God that we would learn how to consciously create His Universe along with Him, and would we use our thoughts and emotions to bring our desires into being.

6. We told God that we would celebrate our desires rather than to resist them, so that we could understand how desire is an essential component of our manifested co-creations.

7. We told God that we would attempt to save the world with our advise, but instead remember who we are, and to inspire those around us to find the God within them by our example.

8. We told God that we would learn how to create in our Universe by learning about Universal Laws.

9. We told God that we would not become so attached to the physical world, that we would lose touch with our both our existing spiritual powers and potential, and rememberance of our spiritual origin.

10. We told God that we would create Love out of darkness, because we would use our experiences in physicality to allow God to work through us by allowing instead of resisting the new higher refined vibrations as we allowed and attracted them to come flooding into our lives..

11. We told God that if we desired to create something, that we would match the vibrational frequency of our desire, so that we can attract it to us in the physical world.

12. We told God that we are capable of emitting Love in all circumstances no matter how trying.

13. We told God that we would remember that He responds to our every thought and emotion, and therefore nothing that we experience is not invited in some way (by pre-birth agreements or unconscious manifestation or misappropriation of God´s energies).

What would you like to tell God today?

Dieter
Indian in the machine
Canadian born spiritual guy living creating personal moments of joy in Costa Rica. Helping the world to detox two feet at a time with conscious use of ionic foot bath plates international delivery.
http://www.indianinthemachine.com

Dieter is performing his spirit music at Arte Ya with local dancers, musicians and poets December 14 2008, Abriendo las Puertas a la Cultura, Montezuma Costa Rica.
dieter@indianinthemachine.com

[Metaphor]

I dont want to be a party crasher, but I have been gleaning at this thread for a while. Havent read all the posts yet, but I see that both Sanat and Doom have been presenting very thoughtful stuff.

The feeling I get more and more regarding the 2012 window is that I see it as very stressing with a fixed date for something so very important.
I see it as damn outright EVIL if I would have to incarnate the wheel for countless aeons again if not "ready for harvest", "sorry mate you failed high school, you have to start at kindergarten level again". I dont buy it.
Someone wants us to believe that it is this date and this date only that will be the ticket out of here. This will stress many in trying to clean out karma and force the process of spiritual growth (rediscovery of the self) in a manner it wasnt meant to be.

I feel very uncomfortable about it, it does not "cling right" inside of me.

So my question is this:
If the 2012 event is for real, who is promoting it and what intention lies behind it? Could this be a masonic trick to steer us in the wrong way in a very important moment in history?

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by Metaphor

I dont want to be a party crasher, but I have been gleaning at this thread for a while. Havent read all the posts yet, but I see that both Sanat and Doom have been presenting very thoughtful stuff.

The feeling I get more and more regarding the 2012 window is that I see it as very stressing with a fixed date for something so very important.
I see it as damn outright EVIL if I would have to incarnate the wheel for countless aeons again if not "ready for harvest", "sorry mate you failed high school, you have to start at kindergarten level again". I dont buy it.
Someone wants us to believe that it is this date and this date only that will be the ticket out of here. This will stress many in trying to clean out karma and force the process of spiritual growth (rediscovery of the self) in a manner it wasnt meant to be.

I feel very uncomfortable about it, it does not "cling right" inside of me.

So my question is this:
If the 2012 event is for real, who is promoting it and what intention lies behind it? Could this be a masonic trick to steer us in the wrong way in a very important moment in history?

You are always free to percieve things as you want of course. Personally I would recommend gratitude for being allowed this opportunity to work on yourself at this time. Probably a lot of discarnate Beings that would have loved to be in that spot right now.

First of all, this is kindergarten and not high shcool. Those that do not "graduate" will not be set back by it at all. Quite the contrary. Everyone benefits greatly from being here at this time, even if they don't "graduate". Those that will have to go another round in "kindergarten" will start out where we left off here. It will simply be like "nothing happened" in many ways. Except for a vague remembrance of a "mystical experience" that further motivates each in the search. So if there is no Harvest or if there indeed is a Harvest does not make any "negative" difference for anyone. It's a win win situation really. Look at it this way:

If there indeed is a Harvest it means that those that have gotten their act together in spite of all the difficulties will no longer have to mingle with those that do not take responsability for themselves. This seems fair to me at least. If there is a Harvest it makes no difference for all those that have not "gotten their act together" (other than a positive "mystical experience" which will motivate some to start working on themselves). They will simply continue where they left off here. It is not a "return to the stone ages" or anything like that. It's a continuation. Everyone gains from this. The Universe may seem unfair in the short run (human 3rd density perception), but is always 100% fair in the long run.

It's always (in each life) possible to graduate out of 3rd density for the individual, and there are shorter cycles within the larger ones also. So one will not necessarily have to go through another 25 000 years in 3rd density. That is totally up to each individual him/her self. If the 2012 Harvest is "real" then it is "promoted" from Source itself. And since so many evolved and good people seem to be "into this" all over the world I will leave you to your own conclusions on that one.

If you don't want to read all the posts I have tried to sum it all up in an article you can read here: http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/messages.html

In Gratitude,

Sanat

[macrostheblack]

I have now read much of this thread and realise my error.



Apologies to anyone i may have offended.


Macros

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by macrostheblack

I have now read much of this thread and realise my error.



Apologies to anyone i may have offended.


Macros

No offense taken my friend. Glad to have you on board!

[macrostheblack]

Originally Posted by Sanat

No offense taken my friend. Glad to have you on board!

Thank you Sanat

From what Ive read here we need to keep this thread going for as long as possible. The more that read it and contribute will add to the energy of this such positive and beneficial joining that shall serve mankind in the future.

(Its late here in the UK. I will contribute more fully later)

Again, thank you Sanat and keep up the good work!

Macros

[Circlewerk]

After having read this entire thread, and the entire interview with James from WingMakers, I thought it wise to drop these quotes here. Seeing as Sanat also quoted James, I assume he agrees, at least in part, to the over all message.
If I am inaccurate in this assumption Sanat, forgive my perception.

"Answer 22 from James: Anu encoded within the human being a desire to search for enlightenment, and at the same time, he created the God-Spirit-Soul Complex to partially satisfy the search. I say “partially” because for most people the search begins down one path, but then moves to another, and another, and another. Over the course of a lifetime, the average person has searched through dozens of religious, scientific, occult, and spiritual paths, and yet their search continues. This is because the program that is encoded into human beings and reinforced by the HMS, stimulates the search for God-Spirit-Soul outside of the individual, even when the teaching represented declares that the “Kingdom of Heaven is within.”

If you were the creator of humanity, and you wanted to keep secret the one thing that would answer all questions pertaining to the Self, making any search for truth obsolete, where would you hide this amazing secret? If you were wise, you would place it right in front of everyone, but also place within your creation the insatiable desire to search for truth in books, lectures, spiritual savants, saints, prophets, sages, spiritual techniques, shamans, witches, ancient texts, churches, synagogues, mosques, ashrams, websites, and a hundred other places. That is how to hide the answer to everything from everyone, and this is precisely what Anu did."

What I observe in these quotes is in my opinion, deep truth, in that ANY belief, and ANY desire, is proof that the individual who has them is still caught up in the trap of HMS, or self consciousness/mind/ego.
At any point, if an individual is searching, seeking, hoping, they have stepped outside of their infinite vibration.
To follow the teachings of ANYONE, whether channeled ( ANd James speaks on channeling quite eloquently in question 11, stating it in fact is a trap of mind) , historical, or otherwise, is being in the trap of not only the HMS that James refers to, but also psychological time, past & future, which must be let go of, in order for real realization to occur within the individual. Every thought, every belief, if focused on, is but a memory which is best left to die in the mind of man the moment it is experienced, so that infinite vibration can be tapped, by ALL.
And we are all capable.

James goes on to say,

" This process is as simple as practicing the Quantum Pause, the Six Heart Virtues and persisting until your last breath. There is no one to pay for this. There is no master or teacher. There is no school or rank of proficiency. There is no book to read or lecture to listen to. It is simple and easy. If you resonate with this approach, you can try it and see if it feels natural to you. There will be no one judging you if you decide not to pursue it to your last breath… other than yourself."

It is clear that his suggestion for awareness is the quantum breath. There are and have been countless guru's, masters & scholars who have encouraged meditation and various practices to discover truth beyond time and mind.
These practices are practices ANYONE can take on. Division is a hoax.
The idea that some will ascend and some will not is ****. In truth, no one knows.
It is more division, it is egoistic in nature to even think in these terms.
Ascension is another dividing theory. As if the one ascending is going to somehow divide form where they are and reach a higher plane, again, as if NOW and all that it is, is not already capable of enabling realization in the individual.

Here is a very intelligent quote from James..

"the simple facts are that billions of people on this planet are deluded in their practice of spirituality, the occult, religion, and yes, even science. They practice what they believe will move them closer to truth, when they themselves are truth, and their practice only creates thicker walls between awareness and truth. The era of transparency and expansion is all about bringing walls down. It is not about the absorption of more knowledge and information."

That alone, would negate, or at the very least make questionable, any and all materials, RA, Bible, etc..as unnecessary for mass ascension & thwarting.

Being unconditional awareness, allows.
Period.
There is no dividing with who's who & what's what.
Those are all thoughts and ideas being suggested, telling the audience WHAT to think, instead of looking at HOW to think.
And more importantly, the damage of recycled thoughts all together, which are the pride of a follower who is only stuck in mind/ego.

The self consciousness cannot focus on now, it grasps to memories and future. It seeks, as if the answers are not alive in him.
Infinite consciousness, however, holds to nothing. Believes nothing, and does so without consequence, fear or desire.

Know nothing and be close.
CW

[Sanat]

Circlewerk,

As I have stated before; If all is indeed One (and it is), then there is no need to oppose anything, no? There is truth in everything, otherwise it could not exist at all. James has many good points, but the danger is to make his material into another "gospel" or G-S-S complex as he calls it. Have you yourself not interpreted his material in such a way as that "all else" (and especially channeled messages) are suddenly BS? Is this not the very trap he is talking about? Is this not division? After you have calmed down perhaps you should ask yourself why you felt the need to be so "insistant" in your post. Who were you trying to convince really?

We are not "following any teaching" on this thread. We are having an open discussion of issues that seem to be on the mind of a lot of people in different stages of Awareness/Awakening. I am happy not believing in anything myself. I don't even "believe" in the content of my own website (it's more of a "working hypothesis" so to speak). Either you know, or you don't. Clinging to belief is not necessary. But discussion/speculation and the game of life must go on either way. I enjoy following and posting on this thread, and therefore I do it. I enjoy reading different material, and therefore I do it. Simple as that. It's not egoistical to discuss things in a civilized manner. It becomes egoistical the moment you feel the need to convince others. I feel no such need at all, and I hope you can say the same for yourself.

That being said; I totally agree with you that the "Sovereign integral" cannot be experienced through any teaching/text/channeling etc. This insight is important and better yet; it should be acted upon. But realizing the "sovereign integral" is something each must work on for themselves. It is something to be Al(one) with... In the meantime the game of life continues it's natural course. Wherever that might lead us

In gratitude,

Sanat

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Sanat

We are not "following any teaching" on this thread.
Sanat

Uh-huh. Law of One, David Hawkins, Operation Terra...these don't ring a bell?
These were the sources you quoted as the foundation for your conclusions.

Too much of what you offer and defend is from the same defensive position anyone belonging to an organized religion takes (in that their religion is the only right religion) while trying to make those who point out the contradictions appear to be the ones succumbing to their ego. I'm surprised that more people don't see right through you. Honestly.

Originally Posted by Sanat

Have you yourself not interpreted his material in such a way as that "all else" (and especially channeled messages) are suddenly BS? Is this not the very trap he is talking about? Is this not division? After you have calmed down perhaps you should ask yourself why you felt the need to be so "insistant" in your post. Who were you trying to convince really?

Either you didn't read the interview in its entirety, or you're just missing the point altogether. And again, trying to make it seem as though someone else is the one who is insistent, when in all actuality - you're the one that's very calmly frothing at the mouth while you try to hang labels on them that allegedly back up your status of he who knows. There's a much bigger picture going on and it looks like you're missing it entirely. I see through your arguments and I've identified your debating techniques as you continuously misdirect to win a point.

You don't fool me. I know what's going on here.

Peace

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by recallone

Uh-huh. Law of One, David Hawkins, Operation Terra...these don't ring a bell?
These were the sources you quoted as the foundation for your conclusions.

Too much of what you offer and defend is from the same defensive position anyone belonging to an organized religion takes (in that their religion is the only right religion) while trying to make those who point out the contradictions appear to be the ones succumbing to their ego. I'm surprised that more people don't see right through you. Honestly.

Either you didn't read the interview in its entirety, or you're just missing the point altogether. And again, trying to make it seem as though someone else is the one who is insistent, when in all actuality - you're the one that's very calmly frothing at the mouth while you try to hang labels on them that allegedly back up your status of he who knows. There's a much bigger picture going on and it looks like you're missing it entirely. I see through your arguments and I've identified your debating techniques as you continuously misdirect to win a point.

You don't fool me. I know what's going on here.

Peace

The only thing I "defend" is the fact that there is truth in anything that exist. Otherwise it would not exist at all. Everything in Creation is trying to wake us up. That's why poets/philosphers/teachers can make good parables out of most anything (Plato's cave Allegory is one example of this, and also Jesus and Buddha had a lot of good Parables).

This is a discussion, and a discussion have to have it's basis in something as it cannot develop from nothing. Any input is welcome to this discussion, but please make it creative, and refrain from attacking people. Nobody is forcing you to follow this thread, or listen to anything here at all. It is my and anyone elses right to "misunderstand" and discuss anything we want. Who are you to tell anyone what to think and believe? That is again what I call "religous behavior" and I am not interested in that at all. I could care less what anyone believes or not. I enjoy creative discussion with other creative, polite and nice people. If that is too much for you to handle, feel free to take your business elsewhere.

The negative and accusing tone in your post reveals a lot about your true intentions and who is really "frothing at the moth". BS should not be very hard to simply ignore. So what are your really doing here? Are you here to "save people" from the "evil" of this thread? Is that how you look at intelligent people around you? That they all need to change and be like you "want them to be"? I will probably let your behavior slide this time, but if anything like this comes from you again it will be reported. This is way over the line, and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Love and Gratitude,

Sanat

[micjer]

Each day brings new thoughts, new research, new ways of looking at things.

I was wondering to myself why some people are concerned about the new world religion. Where did they get the info that it is so bad?

Are they getting this from the book of revelations and the whole teachings of the Anti-christ?

Stop to consider that the bible was manipulated by the PTB. If you are under that assumption then probably the new world religion that is so BAD is actually what they don't want us to find out about. Hide the truth out in the open.

If this is a debate between bible believers and non, that is one thing. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.

However if we all feel that the PTB are behind this then don't take one thing out of the bible as fact and the rest as not.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by micjer

Each day brings new thoughts, new research, new ways of looking at things.

I was wondering to myself why some people are concerned about the new world religion. Where did they get the info that it is so bad?

Are they getting this from the book of revelations and the whole teachings of the Anti-christ?

Stop to consider that the bible was manipulated by the PTB. If you are under that assumption then probably the new world religion that is so BAD is actually what they don't want us to find out about. Hide the truth out in the open.

If this is a debate between bible believers and non, that is one thing. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want.

However if we all feel that the PTB are behind this then don't take one thing out of the bible as fact and the rest as not.

I can state why there is concern about the creation of a new world religion (it is currently in the works, and there is a lot of in-fighting around how it will play out, there are many, many groups that try to win over the others. The most likely result is a small and narrow selection from the smorgasbord):

- It seeks to limit the present choice of religious and spiritual quests by central decrees. It aims to determine what is allowable teachings and practices and the rest will be banned and persecuted.

- It seeks to be equally dumbing as the present world religions in their most biased an narrow forms, and it seeks to do this by 'sanitizing' what will be portrayed as a messy and in-fighting religious world scene by promoting and parading 'their' choice of 'certified' world teachers.

- It seeks to limit what scientific facts are allowed to impact religious and spiritual views and practices. Therefore it threatens scientific freedom as well.

- It aims at steering the presentation of extraterrestrial life by presenting them either as

- our creator gods

- all good

- all bad

- superior to us

The view that extraterrestrials simply are our sisters and brothers, and an equal mix of good and bad, tricksters and truth-tellers, that will broaden our view of what reality is, is threatening to the idea of centralized power.

- It will seek to ban channelings by labelling it as dangerous disinformation when the real objective is to limit the 'competition' to centralized power.
Channeling is granted tricky, only a small percent might be 'true' imparting of information from a genuine, free source, the rest hidden mind control.
But the small percentage that IS true is of vital importance as a corrective to all currently established religions and even more so if religious freedom is revoked and replaced with centralized decrees.

- Project Blue Beam is a program that has been developed with the purpose of launching a new world religion. (It may be googled.) It includes plans for fake apparitions and religious 'shows' such as 'second comings'. An enormous amount of money has been sunk into this program which includes all kinds of technological props such as laser shows. A fake alien invasion is one of the possible alternative strategies.

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by Josefine

I can state why there is concern about the creation of a new world religion (it is currently in the works, and there is a lot of in-fighting around how it will play out, there are many, many groups that try to win over the others. The most likely result is a small and narrow selection from the smorgasbord):

- It seeks to limit the present choice of religious and spiritual quests by central decrees. It aims to determine what is allowable teachings and practices and the rest will be banned and persecuted.

- It seeks to be equally dumming as the present world religions in their most biased an narrow forms, and it seeks to do this by 'sanitizing' what will be portrayed as a messy and in-fighting religious world scene by promoting and parading 'their' choice of 'certified' world teachers.

- It seeks to limit what scientific facts are allowed to impact religious and spiritual views and practices. Therefore it threatens scientific freedom as well.

- It aims at steering the presentation of extraterrestrial life by presenting them either as

- our creator gods

- all good

- all bad

- superior to us

The view that extraterrestrials simply are our sisters and brothers, and an equal mix of good and bad, tricksters and truth-tellers, that will broaden our view of what reality is, is threatening to the idea of centralized power.

- It will seek to ban channelings by labelling it as dangerous disinformation when the real objective is to limit the 'competition' to centralized power.
Channeling is granted tricky, only a small percent might be 'true' imparting of information from a genuine, free source, the rest hidden mind control.
But the small percentage that IS true is of vital importance as a corrective to all currently established religions and even more so if religious freedom is revoked and replaced with centralized decrees.

- Project Blue Beam is a program that has been developed with the purpose of launching a new world religion. (It may be googled.) It includes plans for fake apparitions and religious 'shows' such as 'second comings'. An enormous amount of money has been sunk into this program which includes all kinds of technological props such as laser shows. A fake alien invasion is one of the possible alternative strategies.

You've got that down Josefine. I see it very much the same way. An attempt is being made to centralise power in the same way it always has. Ironically it's expression is found in several groups which foster -- each in their own way -- a structure and personalities who are being sold as superior and indispensable to the 'shift'. For just 3 examples we have James' WMs, the Crystal Skulls and Associates, and Nesara / Galactic Fed. Whichever one or two of these succeed in attracting our attention and belief there will be many other '2nd tier' individuals now playing a subordinate but important shepherding role who will hail them as the real McCoy.

A corrupt but impeccably presented "priesthood" will try to call the shots over the rest of us. They will simply redefine / re-brand the same old doctrine and it's heresies to appeal to the same old state of consciousness. This can very easily be done even while telling us simultaneously that the GodSelf is within. The emphases will be placed in the spiritual doctrine to dovetail it as seamlessly as possible with state doctrine. Bottom line: there is no place for an individual with a mind of his/her own. In fact, there is no such thing as an individual. That is how you will be silenced when it matters. Are you going to stand in the way of the common interest? "We don't care where you think your ideas come from. Just let go of those crumbling old ideas and get on board for the common good. We know better than you because our spiritual celebrities are inspired from a higher place than you are..... Believe, Hope, Change"

"And remember: Individual / Schmindischmidual."

The people of this world are very practised at jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Sanat

The only thing I "defend" is the fact that there is truth in anything that exist. Otherwise it would not exist at all. Everything in Creation is trying to wake us up. That's why poets/philosphers/teachers can make good parables out of most anything (Plato's cave Allegory is one example of this, and also Jesus and Buddha had a lot of good Parables).

This is a discussion, and a discussion have to have it's basis in something as it cannot develop from nothing. Any input is welcome to this discussion, but please make it creative, and refrain from attacking people. Nobody is forcing you to follow this thread, or listen to anything here at all. It is my and anyone elses right to "misunderstand" and discuss anything we want. Who are you to tell anyone what to think and believe? That is again what I call "religous behavior" and I am not interested in that at all. I could care less what anyone believes or not. I enjoy creative discussion with other creative, polite and nice people. If that is too much for you to handle, feel free to take your business elsewhere.

The negative and accusing tone in your post reveals a lot about your true intentions and who is really "frothing at the moth". BS should not be very hard to simply ignore. So what are your really doing here? Are you here to "save people" from the "evil" of this thread? Is that how you look at intelligent people around you? That they all need to change and be like you "want them to be"? I will probably let your behavior slide this time, but if anything like this comes from you again it will be reported. This is way over the line, and it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Love and Gratitude,

Sanat

Report away, oh enlightened one. I haven't written anything that justifies my being banned, or even reprimanded for that matter. And even in this latest response of yours - you're doing the same thing that I previously pointed out - hanging your own issues around the necks of others.

I entered into this discussion to point out some of the eyebrow-raising positions some of these sources take; positions regarding issues like homosexuality and the idea that a benevolent Federation ship is going to rescue the chosen ones from the cataclysmic events on the horizon.

If labeling a particular group of individuals resonates with you, drive on. For me, I have to say that anything division-inducing doesn't resonate so well. And if it doesn't resonate so well, I'm apt to question a lot of what's been offered from that source. As for the idea that a force outside of ourselves is going to save us...again, it excuses personal responsibility. For those of us who have digested a considerable amount of information (from a host of authors) I think it's becoming more of an unanimous conclusion that at this juncture in our collective experience - that it's all about personal responsibility. So far, I haven't heard you address either one of these things.

We're not going to change our political climate by protesting anything. We're not going to be making a huge difference by fighting anything. And we're certainly not progressing by waiting for a messiah to make everything all better. This is about us doing the work as individuals - to strip away the layers of programming that have sought to divide us and limit us - so that we may return to ONE. Anything that seeks to divide or place the responsibility upon the shoulders of another (with whatever technique) is disempowering IMHO and I felt compelled to point out these things to whoever will hear.

Way over the line? Nothing to do with the topic of this thread?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of all of the discussions in Avalon to arrive at the truth, however transient they may be? If I launched into a purposed plan of action because of a single article that I found on a website that many others have concluded to be a disinformation site, I'd EXPECT the participants who genuinely love me, and you (and themselves!) to point it out to me. I have no attachment to any idea or information. It's all STUFF. There is no gospel. Everything we need to know is right under our noses! Anything that tries to convince us that it's outside of ourselves is suspect. I see a lot of people desperately holding on to one idea or another because they're so terrified of being wrong about something. Who cares?! Right and wrong, liberal or conservative....don't you see the greater picture of division?

I want to be wrong about yesterday's truth because then, and only then will I be free to grasp the next, greater, more encompassing version of the truth. You were right when you said that there's a little bit of truth in everything. Unfortunately, that's the formula by which disinformation is disseminated. I mean you no ill-will, Sanat and I don't need to be the guy with all the answers. There's no ego involved in this for me, I have no website to promote and I don't want a title of any kind. I want us to reclaim our power and fix our world. This happens by all of us letting go of our attachment to philosophies that are proving themselves to be lacking. Science has already been doing this very thing in recent years, going back to supposed foundations of fact, in order to follow a new path - because the old one has proven itself to be flawed. New truths are being revealed daily. It's all moving so fast. We need to be a fluid as the rate in which its' increasing. That's all.

I wish all love and light.
recallone

[Sanat]

yes, discussion is the point. But that does not include accusing, and personal attack and abusive tone/language. I am sorry to see that you seem to be unable to control these impulses in your self. Contribute with arguments and all is fine. Personally I see all info as a "working hypothesis" at all times (including what I have posted on my webiste). All is subject to change. But again, it's fun to speculate and listen to different sources. There are no "answers" to be had. It's all a dance, so let's make it a beautiful dance and not an ugly one...

If you are in opposition to anyone/anything you are coming from duality/ego/mind -> conflict/affliction. If you see truth in all things and in everyone you are coming from Heart/Oneness -> Peace. All philosophies and all info is "lacking". There will never be a "true" doctrine of any kind (the closest we can come to that is probably Bashar's four laws of creation). But still there is truth in everything that exists, as there is also distortion in everything that exists. I am not asking anyone to believe in anything at all. People take whatever resonates for them at that time, and they don't need anyone to babysit them in doing that in my opinion. You don't see me attacking people, creating conflict, using faul language and spreading false/vicious accusations towards others. If you want to "reclaim your power and fix the world" start with your own behavior towards others. You inspire by example, not by force.

Love,

Sanat

[micjer]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=14716

It was a wonderful thread that Sanat had going until it seemed to get derailed.

If the literature that Sanat refers to is the new world religion. I have a few questions.


Where's the earthquakes?
Where's the fake alien invasion?
Where's project Blue Beam?
Where's the Anti-christ?

Hopefully we can get this train back on the rails.

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by micjer

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=14716

It was a wonderful thread that Sanat had going until it seemed to get derailed.

If the literature that Sanat refers to is the new world religion. I have a few questions.


Where's the earthquakes?
Where's the fake alien invasion?
Where's project Blue Beam?
Where's the Anti-christ?

Hopefully we can get this train back on the rails.

I many ways we already have a "world religion". It has been here for thousands of years already. It can be called "materialism" and "egotism". Reality is in many ways "faithbased" as what you project out (i.e. think/believe/behave) is what you get reflected back to you (i.e. what you percieve as "true"). Most are not aware enough to ever question their own limited perception of things as the "true perception". The world is thus brainwashed into the religion of "egotistic materialism" based on the perception of fear/separation from Love/Oneness.

Thanks for your effort towards getting things "back on track" here. We are all trying to contribute what we have to offer. No more and no less. I appreciate very much to see what others think of these things. So thanks a lot to all that is following and contributing to this thread!

Love,

Sanat

[Magamud]

Where's the earthquakes?
Where's the fake alien invasion?
Where's project Blue Beam?
Where's the Anti-christ?

Tons of earthquakes daily http://www.iris.washington.edu/seismon/

Fake alien invasion is in progress. Cant you see all the propaganda?

Project Blue Beam is already being used. Look at Disclose tv for videos.

Anti Christ is laughing at how well its plan is going.

[idunno]

What is ...?
... provides exclusions tru and via all these Time-Loops we are in ...%&endings started about 1837, i read, sumone said
how to cope with being smarter than everyone around you?
idiom www.makara.us
idam amin
/05ref/02cobs/repeated
Compilation Brahma (31 pages)

(EH 421) Now this matter is in form, the solar system is not in pralaya but in objectivity-this objectivity having in view the addition of another quality to the logoic content, that of love and wisdom. Therefore, at the next solar pralaya, at the close of the one hundred years of Brahma, the matter of the solar system will be coloured by active intelligence and by active love. This means literally that the aggregate of solar atomic matter will eventually vibrate to another key than it did at the first dawn of manifestation.

6 - Time Travel
We are always moving through space. New time streams are created every time an observer changes directions.

How to Navigate the Streams of Time Through Hyperspace
Diamond - - [ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]A diamond is a transparent crystal of tetrahedrally bonded carbon atoms and crystallizes into the face centered cubic diamond lattice structure. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond - 158k -
Beholding God Face to Face -- - [ Seeing God in All Things ]Keith has shared with us some of your correspondence with him concerning meeting God "Panim el panim", or face to face; and you asked him for the ...
http://www.greaterthings.com/Essays/...ace/index.html - 68k -
Panim - Welkom Deze site is in zekere zin de voortzetting van het blad ‘Panim’. ‘Panim’ werd uitgegeven in de periode van 1994-2002. ‘Panim’ betekent zowel gezicht als ...
www.panim.nl/ - 10k -
Diamond Structure - [ Vertaal deze pagina ]22 Feb 2001 ... At left is the diamond structure in a different orientation showing the tetrahedral structure a bit more clearly. As above, carbon atoms at ...
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/petrolgy/...0Structure.HTM - 4k -
Ra-b-bit -------------- the heaven h8064 שמים sha-m-ayim (sum-maya-im)
bAck 2 Da... ---------
[was] upon the face h6440 פנים paniym
of the deep. h8415 תהום tĕhowm
And the Spirit h7307 רוח r-u-wach
of God h430 אלהים 'elohiym
moved h7363 רחף rachaph
upon h5921 על `al
the face h6440 פנים paniym
of the waters. h4325 מים mayim
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible...1&t=KJV#conc/2

PANim al Mayim
http://www.blueletterbible.org/isbe/isbe.cfm?id=3342
Diamond Structure--phychembio.com/centralblog/07/diamond
http://johnblog.phychembio.com/?p=303
This means literally that the aggregate of solar atomic matter will eventually vibrate to another key than it did at the first dawn of manifestation
EH 421.....
55 421 ( A - 11th ? octave)
just A la under AV F ://sound--

[Sanat]

Here is another thread on 2012 which contains a lot of interesting stuff to consider. It is more focused on science/astronomy side of it than this thread. Nice to see things from different angles:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=8441