The Goodbye Thread / Options To stay

[Dantheman62]

This might sound kind of, well, I guess it doesn't matter how it sounds, but don't we have any wealthy members here? Can't somebody just throw in a large donation to help out those less fortunate! I know I would if I could, and if times were different, as in any other time but now, I'd throw in a few grand just to help and get that"feel good" feeling of knowing I helped out several thousand people! It doesn't matter if you agree with the subscription or not, the time to help is NOW so nobody has to leave.

I am NOT in favour of a paid subscription. The magic of this forum is its openness, diversity, inclusiveness... It's helped me in many ways, so many interesting perspectives - if one went missing it would be a loss.

So, Kerry and Bill, I would rather you postpone a decision. Solicit donations on Camelot. See what happens. Given this stark choice today, I would donate at least an annual subscription or 2 there, right away.

If in a month you see that members here are all talk and no action (i.e. no money comes into Camelot), then so be it. We knew your realities and we made a choice about it, i.e. did nothing. I figure we can't complain, at that time.

As far as merchandising goes, I feel the world has enough of it already. The only exceptions for me are music and books, which can run rampant any time. I'll probably buy your eBook. Knowledge should be open source, a growth industry.

I repeat: I am NOT in favour of a paid subscription.

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

This might sound kind of, well, I guess it doesn't matter how it sounds, but don't we have any wealthy members here? Can't somebody just throw in a large donation to help out those less fortunate! I know I would if I could, and if times were different, as in any other time but now, I'd throw in a few grand just to help and get that"feel good" feeling of knowing I helped out several thousand people! It doesn't matter if you agree with the subscription or not, the time to help is NOW so nobody has to leave.

as far as i know someone did offer to pay a whole years worth for everyone
and obviously it was turned down.

[Dominic]

I am not going anywhere.


Spread the Love,

Not the fear.

[Triaxis]

I was never a big poster here - mainly just posted some positive comments if i felt too much negativity really, even as a member i pretty much just lurked.

My two cents worth.

I understand why Kerry and Bill are doing this and fair enough. But i think they should have levels of membership. Those that don't donate should still be able to access the networking section, those that do donate can access everywhere else.

I live in Australia so i am pretty much just a bemused spectator from afar to all this stuff going down, thus i probably don't need to network really.

But our brothers and sisters on the "front lines" in the US and the UK that are poor could probably could make use of the networking section. Why not give them access to that section for free?

Anyway, thanks for allowing us to continue to lurk, read and watch for free. You cannot offer a fairer deal than that.

All the best. See you on the other side

Triaxis

[Dean Plejaren]

Very few forums charge to post stuff. This will upset everything at the forum. Cut communication off with people. All that just for 30,000 extra a year. Doesn't seem worth it just give up the Australian Ark bunker or something.

Sell books or DVDs. T-shirts anything but charge people to communicate on here as communication is the most important thing.

[Harper]

Bill, Kerry & Moderators,

There is a deeper problem with paying that you may not have considered its that people will no longer know what they are buying, if, and I don't believe you can, guarantee that the amount of information and exchange on the forum will remain the same then I think its our first lesson in pulling together and helping others who cannot pay. I will pay for myself and 2 others. I have just lost my job but I can still afford that amount of money once a year. If I find I can't I'm in way bigger trouble and have a lot more problems than being able to post on an important forum :-)

So how will you solve the problem of people knowing what they are now buying, if you introduce this fee and I come on the forum to see one that only 1 person has posted that day what value will I get? Not being an oracle myself I can only offer my ideas but not mathematical genius, or years of scholarship on the bible, or insider information of UFO etc...... Do you follow?

Why don't you try the t-shirts first because not only is it a money maker but think what if I see someone I know or even don't know wearing one, I would go straight up to them and have a chat about what's going on. I would actually know that at the very least, whether we agree or not that we are both seekers and it could have a huge bi-product effect of enabling relationships. I am however not a person who is afraid for my life or anything so annonimity is not an issue, they know who I am or they don't, what will be will be..........

Any thoughts?

PS I will stand by the above mentioned offer for myself and 2 others.

[Donald]

Originally Posted by Harper

Why don't you try the t-shirts first because not only is it a money maker but think what if I see someone I know or even don't know wearing one, I would go straight up to them and have a chat about what's going on.

I had a few ideas for slogans to be put in these t-shirts (in both french and english). I think I developped a good concept. I wanted to call this Ascension Clothing Company but I don't have the money to start that company (:

But Both Camelot and Avalon are welcome to these ideas. Here they are (imagine them on a t-shirt in front) :

1. Is Nibiru coming?
Est-ce que Nibiru s’en vient ?

2. Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas.
Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas. (to be translated)

3. Change your reality.
Changez votre réalité.

4. Reality is only what you believe it to be.
La réalité est seulement ce que vous croyez qu’elle est.

5. Where will you be on December 21st 2012?
Où serez-vous le 21 décembre 2012 ?

6. The aliens are coming! The aliens are coming!
Les extra-terrestres arrivent ! Les extra-terrestres arrivent !

7. Are you really there?
Êtes-vous vraiment là ?

8. Am I really here?
Suis-je vraiment ici ?

9. Dream yourself into a new reality.
Rêvez à une nouvelle réalité et plongez-y.

10. Love and light are powerful. Be both.
L’amour et la lumière sont puissants. Soyez les deux.

11. Leave the Bigfoot alone.
Laissez le Bigfoot tranquille.

12. Roswell, New-Mexico: What really happened?
Roswell, New-Mexico : Qu’est-ce qui est vraiment arrivé ?

13. Nothing is real but this t-shirt.
Rien n’est réel à part ce t-shirt.

14. Leave Nessie alone.
Laissez le monstre du Loch Ness tranquille.

15. We are therefore I am. I am therefore we are.
Nous sommes donc je suis. Je suis donc nous sommes.

16. Thoughts change reality. Think about it.
Les pensées changent la réalité. Pensez-y.

17. Do your own research.
Faîtes votre propre recherche.

And in the bacK :

http://www.divinecosmos.com

http://projectcamelot.org/index.html

http://projectavalon.net/

What do you think?

Donald

2. Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas.
Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas. (to be translated)

as above so below...


there done

[Donald]

Originally Posted by crowmirror

2. Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas.
Ce qui est en haut est comme ce qui est en bas. (to be translated)

as above so below...


there done

Thanks

Originally Posted by Donald

Thanks

no problem

Ho! Mitakuye Oyasin

"We Are All Related"

[GregorArturo]

Donald, that is great and you got several laughs out of me. I am so going to make the 2012 T-Shirt. It's too good! Those are things I could so sell at my school. They speak alot of truth.

With StClair's post, I will admit I am disappointed. I have become more disappointed with several of Project Camelot's interviewees lately as I use to resonate rather strongly with them but that has since changed [slowly].

It seems the forum on this issue is split rather decisively and I find it as futile as the New Agers and Christians going against each other. I will note that those who have stated the notion of 'principal' I feel are indeed all of the philosopher type. Many people cannot see past their viewpoint and truly understand what we are stating in terms of prinicipal, honor, and universal truths. The intangible (honor/principal) far outweighs the tangible (survival/access).

When I was in middle school, I remember looking up the code of chivalry, printing it out, and reading it many times. I had no bible as a kid, but I had this. It was one of the few things that resonated true with me. Heck, in the few years I've had MySpace, I've never changed the occupation from knight. It was not in terms of I wanted to be a hero, but the beliefs I held at the deep core of who I am.

I will state that many of these ideals still seem to be ahead of their times, but with that, time will tell. I will also reiterate this viewpoint in that I find it much MUCH more important in the times we have recently moved into (sixth day) that we network with each other and develop meaningful relationships rather than being presented with new information. I feel much more information can be divulged more rapidly amongst us, especially in person, eye to eye, and that we need to engage and act, versus sit and think.

[Donald]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Donald, that is great and you got several laughs out of me.

It seems you're the only one who thought that was funny. That's not a good sign when people can't laugh anymore. That's sad.

Maybe it's getting too serious around here.
_____________________________
Life is beautiful. It's better than tv sometimes.

Its interesting to see the different thought waves collide on this simple but important subject. Let's face it, we are human beings, therefore we will agree or disagree depending on our perception and situation. But the fact remains, Project Camelot/Avalon needs your help. I will take the middle ground and say this! ... forget the word subscription! Out of the goodnes of your being with love and gratitude, would you all please donate towards this endevour and lets all help each other!

[Dantheman62]

Thanks Micheal St.Clair!!

[DaveR]

Dear friends:

I read this whole thread and have a couple ideas for fund raising.

1. Pay by the post. If you have something good to say, pop 50 cents to put it up. This will cut down on the trolls and one word comments, which are cute (not the trolls) but really not all that useful. Thereby the quality of commentary goes up and the detritus goes down. If you are seeking information, can't you pay 50 cents? People spend more on a phone call and then to only one source. So you pay to post your question, gather a bunch of private replies (direct e-mails, for instance) and post a cumulative response. Whew, a whole dollar and you've given HUGE, HUGE to the community here. Then go back to lurking.

2. Visit Red Ice Creations. They have a subscription model that I think works well. This would be for PC. The first half of the interview is free and the second is by subscription. The financially strapped people (me) get a bunch of good information free and those who can pay get more. Yeah, I know, "He who has, gets...". It's not exactly fair, but what is?

I agree with those who say the value of this forum is the members, but not every post has value for many. I saw one post in this thread that contained a single period. No value there!

Bandwidth is not free. Travel is not free. Neither are cameras, tape, editing systems, hotels, rental cars, meals, and all the rest. We will need to contribute financially somehow, or the thing cannot continue.

2 ideas @ 2 cents each - 4 cents please!

Dave

[Ali Quadir]

Guess I'll be splitting guys.

I don't have the method to pay over the internet. I do have the means obviously. What's asked for is not much, I've given larger amounts (per gift) to vagrants. I've also donated to forums in the past. None of them however were subscription models. And it was always cash in hand to help out a friend.

I don't have a credit card or internet money account. I don't consider this forum enough of a benefit to me personally to go through the hassle and potential risks of getting them. I have asked Bill via pm about alternatives over a month ago when the first mention of money problems arose, but I've got no response so far. So I really have no options.

And to be honest, if I had options I'd have objections. People have suggested some very good alternatives and experts have made warnings and offered their advice for free. It's not good if their warnings are ignored. These are professionals for a reason.

I hope it works out for you. And thanks for the fun sofar!

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

Guess I'll be splitting guys.

I don't have the method to pay over the internet. I do have the means obviously. What's asked for is not much, I've given larger amounts (per gift) to vagrants. I've also donated to forums in the past. None of them however were subscription models. And it was always cash in hand to help out a friend.

I don't have a credit card or internet money account. I don't consider this forum enough of a benefit to me personally to go through the hassle and potential risks of getting them. I have asked Bill via pm about alternatives over a month ago when the first mention of money problems arose, but I've got no response so far. So I really have no options.

And to be honest, if I had options I'd have objections. People have suggested some very good alternatives and experts have made warnings and offered their advice for free. It's not good if their warnings are ignored. These are professionals for a reason.

I hope it works out for you. And thanks for the fun sofar!

Hi, Ali:

You'll be able to pay by money order or check if you like, and there'll be a generous period of grace while we wait for the payment to arrive. We won't be heavy about it.

We know some people don't have bank accounts. There's nothing to stop you being a member if you want to be one. You can even sponsor someone else who may not be able to afford it.

Some people posting on this thread, who are genuinely hard up, might appreciate it. If you did that, we would appreciate it too.

If I missed a PM, I do apologize. I 'm not often online for long periods, and e-mail is a better way to communicate as then we're able to pick up e-mails and then read and reply offline. We can't do that with PMs. Do please re-send, and copy to support@projectcamelot.org. Many thanks.

Very best wishes, Bill

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by Dean Plejaren

Very few forums charge to post stuff. This will upset everything at the forum. Cut communication off with people. All that just for 30,000 extra a year. Doesn't seem worth it just give up the Australian Ark bunker or something.

Sell books or DVDs. T-shirts anything but charge people to communicate on here as communication is the most important thing.

Dean, see my reply to you in the ASK BILL AND KERRY thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...6&postcount=53

If it was not for Camelot's work, Avalon would not exist. All of Camelot's work is available for free. You can watch 100+ hours of videos (or listen to the audio, or read the transcripts) and not pay a cent. We agree: communication is the most important thing.

Very best wishes, Bill

[franciejones]

I support Bill and Kerry 100%

I absolutely WILL PAY to be here at Avalon. Most sites with video CHARGE people to watch their interviews or read articles. I am so GRATEFUL to Project Camelot. I do not remember how I found them BUT I assure all who read this, were it not for PC, I would never have waked from my zombie-like slumber. In my mind, Project Camelot and Project Avalon are sisters to each other..and if paying at Avalon will help support Camelot...then I would hope everyone would be willing to pay to help out.

I am also very excited to see when the T-shirts and much awaited DVD's will be available. (Do some baseball caps too if you can Bill!)I will be first in line for both! I have yet to get my family to watch their interviews as no one will sit in front of the computer to do it...with DVD's my family will greatly benefit!

Warmest Wishes-Francie Jones

[Luminari]

I will be happy to suscribe and buy a t-shirt...

The sooner the whining whingers leave the better I say.. (though they will still be lurking in the shadows) I have been blown away by the amount of stupid comments and attention seeking that I have seen since this forum started and have wanted to leave myself rather than associate with such people.


Then there are the 'Beautiful People'
Who make it all so worthwhile and truly magical to be a part of and give me such inspiration.

Thank you beautiful people and thank you Project Camelot

[Connecting with Sauce]

I don't mind paying for recorded content like on PC which is where most of the cost is travel production etc, but the forum should really be free or paid for by PC. Information is key in these times. I'd pay for PC but feel PA will loose it's appeal even more than the change after 2-3 weeks when the forum was alive! ....then seemed like it was bashed on the head...

I pay for CMN because I want to see the latest movies.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm
A very good site which could be used as a template

I'm sure if you charged a small amount for PC for the latest info some people would pay for PC latest content. I know I would if it was of similar quality to what is on PC... or at least was on there...

If 80% of people just lurk then the energy will die and PA will die and therefore PC will die. Unfortunately.

I'd personally have PA unregulated like in the 1st couple of weeks and free and PC paid for. I will pay for PC, and probably for PA for a short period but I sence it it will loose its appeal and then loose posters.

my 2p

ps I haven't got the time or botherment (if that is a word to read all 12 pages of posts).

I'd pay $5 a month for PC latest movies or a yearly figure. Due to what I feel will happen to PA I doubt I'll pay for long... another 2p

[SoldierOfTruth808]

I think its good to have a source of income for this site. The process behind it is very worthy, very important. I think a charge will weed out all the unimportant comments and childish bickering and such... well at least some of it, drama in a forum is a natural entity. I dont think a forum would survive without it... I think people who care deeply, and sincerely will stick in and contribute. I think people who have an obvious anti-agenda will stick out, because you would have to think your views were pretty damn important to offer money to spread them. I want to hear the information and views of people who really have things to say. I can make up my own on what information I value or not. I myself dont really have anything educational to contribute. Im just waiting for the time to act, so ill read in the shadows as long as im allowed to.

Enjoy,
Roland K

[MaskMarvl]

Wow, I can't believe this "discussion" is still going on...

If it's true that the majority of the current members are against the subscription concept (mainly based on principal), then I suggest that all who oppose this idea to simply "stand-by" and not pay the fee, a sort of " workers' strike" if you will.... Or in this case, a "posters' strike"

No need for rude comments or arguments that will get us nowhere.

Maybe this way we can get B & K to reconsider the other options.

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