Why I am gladly a Luciferian.

[capreycorn]

it`s a curse, that we have to define and name something and thereby limit it. but how else would one bring up such a topic in this forum?

[Circlewerk]

[QUOTE=capreycorn;81394]it`s a curse, that we have to define and name something and thereby limit it. but how else would one bring up such a topic in this forum?



Curse?


Perhaps if people spoke of it from the perspective of it being the unknown that it is, if they looked at their desire to name it, and analyzed that desire prior to considering labels, maybe then, they would detach from the desire and the influenced labels & beliefs that shrink them from it.

Maybe then, they could see that their desire to "know" something and label it, actually keeps them from experiencing the enormity of it.

If an individual speaks on their personal experience of it, without saying that their experience is the best, the only or most honest way to tap vibration, then they would be simply sharing their own experience without trying to influence others.
Words can quickly make a person appear self-righteous. Words carry their own vibration. In using them, it is productive when the individual own their experience as their own, asking themselves if it recycled, and what their motive is in speaking on it.
Delivery is often louder than the words chosen.

Speaking objectively, without an emotional commitment or attachment/belief to what is being said, or the way the audience receives the explanation, is less controlling, possibly inviting the reader/listener to explore what is offered unconditionally, if at all.

Looking to define something as radical as this is what keeps man from it.
Seeking, suggests not having, that it is out of reach..as if a definition will bring it into reach, or more of a reality..

With the limitations of words and definitions in this area, humility is seemingly a prerequisite to a real experience of IS.
It may even be, that once experienced consistently, a desire to define it will be realized as the limit of it, or at least the thing that cuts off that individuals experience of it.

" The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."
Richard Bach-Illusions.

[capreycorn]

[QUOTE=Circlewerk;81425]

Originally Posted by capreycorn

it`s a curse, that we have to define and name something and thereby limit it. but how else would one bring up such a topic in this forum?


Maybe then, they could see that their desire to "know" something and label it, actually keeps them from experiencing the enormity of it.

Delivery is often louder than the words chosen.

Looking to define something as radical as this is what keeps man from it.
Seeking, suggests not having, that it is out of reach..as if a definition will bring it into reach, or more of a reality..

With the limitations of words and definitions in this area, humility is seemingly a prerequisite to a real experience of IS.

" The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly."
Richard Bach-Illusions.

someone more eloquent than me might be able to "paint" a mental picture for the ones "listening" and thereby show the way to some extent..but that is just about as good as it gets..

the more we`re told, the less we know.
so is defining something a curse? maybe not that bad really. but a devil`s loop for many seekers in the ocean of semantics.

delivery is often louder than the words chosen. so true. and the less words chosen the better. knowing which "buttons to push" in the seeker`s mind to get him there without using a name or defining - is the key.

for some, enlightenment comes through poetry.
for others by "letting go" and for some through "desire".
..here we go again..I make no sense..