ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

[Spinner]

Very good thread Clark. I have been thinking the same thing. How gullible can we be? These predictions have been coming out for years and years and when they don't come true, people then make up excuses as to why they didn't come true, amazing.
They say things like well, they didn't come true because we announced it. Where was there any shred of evidence that it was true to begin with?
When something does come true, there is a big write up about this great prediction when any one of us could have predicted the same thing.

[martian31v]

great post clark. lets stop speculating and start acting. volunteer, participate, be a part of a solution.

[ralok_j]

Clark, I have to disagree with you somewhat about HPH and 10-07. This is the date that could be the beginning of the end of our economy. Yes, there are too many variables and what-ifs that can or can not happen that will determine the ultimate fate. But, if the economic data continues to move in the direction it is currently moving HPH will have a rather accurate prediction.

[shijing]

I agree with that also -- with St Clair and Deagle, we have been pretty much just asked to take their word on what they say without very much to back it up as far as I could ever tell (they each have a background story that is objectively hard to assess). In the case of sources like Hawkeye, since they are an undisclosed source that by definition can't be verified, we have to pretty much just take that on faith as well. However, in the case of HPH, Clif High at least provides a general explanation of how they do what they do, makes no promises (instead making their forecasts probabilistic, and mentioning often that they do have misses), and gets data out so that people can draw their own conclusions. I also have to admit that although the particulars didn't appear to pan out (a roughly equal combination of economic and military chaos), the timeframe of the economy beginning to publicly unravel did get hit pretty close. I am therefore taking their last report (which they give away free in exchange for a Michael Tsarion book or video receipt for anyone who doesn't know that yet) seriously, while keeping in mind that it is a forecast, not a prediction.

[jpvskyfreak]

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see the economy was going to tank ... Buffet & Gates sold all their share holdings a year ago... they have access to the best economists and accountants in the world.... who had the most to lose / gain they do ... I knew a fall was near when they cashed out.

Looking glass might need a clean!

[ghglenn]

I am still leaning to HPH being more valueable than pure prophecy. There is some actual, science behind the forecasts.
It would be the equivalent of using tech.charts for forecasting stock market trends.
I think they nailed Oct. 7th, for people to believe that we are remotely out-of-the-woods is far from the truth.
We are gonna go through some "uncomfortable" times, to say the least, over the next year.

[quest]

its basically at service of ariman or so, food for certain entities, grays, jing, whatever.. some folks just don't want to hear about it, no matter how often its told. luv & light folks.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The interesting thing is, the Mayan Calendar named the 6th as the end of night, the 7th is the new dawn...

Putin, The Nordics, Saudi Arabia and Asia all played a part, so I myself will never shame the prophets for their warnings. The Illuminati is still standing with their mouths hanging, wondering what went wrong.

Now is the moment we should be waking up and glad the nightmare has passed. Oprah even said that a change of consciousness was happening...

It is being felt all over the world

There were many evil plans put in motion and all of them stopped...

We are meant for a brighter tomorrow...

[Selene]

Thanks, Clark, for saying exactly what I've been privately thinking. Maybe, in the "world" of these people, the sky is indeed falling, and disaster is looming all around them..... That's what they expect; that's most likely what they'll eventually get.

Fear is a powerful magnet. But then, so is love. Your life is, indeed, your own creation.

Funny about that.

Regards,
Selene

[raulduke]

ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

More evidence of their humanity, and their information sources likely being rooted in no more than humanity, as we are all fallable, and capable of "shifting timelines" w/ very simple actions (butterfly effect/chaos theory).

People like St. Clair, Deagle, and Burisch are very interesting individuals, but regardless of what Deagle would like us to believe, they are not "prophets" imho.

"Prophet" implies access to a higher intelligence/divinity than the rest of us are capable of.
As far as Deagle goes and to some extent St. Clair as well, their egos are at the forefront of their information, which does not help their overall message imo.
Burisch's ideas and informationis are a bit different, as it is more scientific in nature and as such, susceptible to human error. But those problems are easier to define and address than the message of a "prophet".

As far as HPH goes, it seems that (what I've heard from Clif at least) that the events that they have predicted/been looking for, are too subtle to be noticed en masse. Interesting, but certainly unconvincing form my perspective.

Good thread Superman...errr...Clark.

[Anchor]

Do you honestly see a world in which it is unnecessary to make basic preparations for "urban inconveniences" ? I agree for the most part that TEOTWAWKI (not including ascension) doesnt seem all that likely, but still getting off grid still seems to me a worthy goal.

I am not changing my plans - and have not since I joined Avalon no matter how much doom and gloom has been talked.

A..

[dutchie]

KentI started on this site not to long ago and let me tell you about the sleepless nites i've had....................I have learned more from the people on this forum than from the interveiws.Trust our own instinct isn't that what they do??????Fear is powerful; felt it many times in here

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Do you honestly see a world in which it is unnecessary to make basic preparations for "urban inconveniences" ? I agree for the most part that TEOTWAWKI (not including ascension) doesnt seem all that likely, but still getting off grid still seems to me a worthy goal.

I am not changing my plans - and have not since I joined Avalon no matter how much doom and gloom has been talked.

A..

in my post i said we all know their WILL be changes --- to be clear i dont think the next decade will be a walk in the park , people need to prepare however they can physically and more important spiritually.

the intent of this thread was to point out that camelot/avalon seems geared towards focusing on all these people's alarming predictions that specifically gives time frames for horrible things. deagle even recommends target practice with guns amongst his nuclear holocaust warnings (keep in mind the real karmic/spirituality hypocrisy is often revealed in such statements...i doubt his "most high god" would recommend AK-47's)

take a look at camelot's older "state of the world" specifically in september, all of "hawkeye's" material is absolutely nightmarish and people eat it up and speculate endlessly, going over every horrible detail then feeding off the fear in the forums.

how many times have you seen people posting about how FEMA is going to come cart you away? how many threads have been started here with fearful scary material? even naomi wolf who i totally respect was wrong when she said a military coup was in effect and they wouldnt let an election happen, the point is none of us know exactly how things will unfold, even the so called experts. (and look how these "experts" react or talk their way out of the false predictions i.e. st clair)

well...no FEMA, no martial law, i still have my job, october is done and gone, i voted for obama, he won and every "phrophet" or doom prediction certainly hasnt happened. i didnt get taken out of my room at 4am because im a dissident who goes to kooky sites.

ask yourself how much energy has been wasted with all these wrong predictions? cant we just know that YES we should be prepared for upheavals, be what they may---but lets not move out of LA because Deagle says he sees Terminator 2 mushroom clouds. or hear a bit of doom-y predictions then go search youtube for some scary videos about it and post it here with dire warnings.... do you see what im saying? its pointless and counterproductive.

im just saying lets all take a big breath and realize that these "predictions" bill and kerry uncover from whistleblowers and prophets/astrologers are just that--- and if anything they are 95% very wrong, so lets not give so much energy to them.


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[traite]

Crakin' thread me thinks.

One thing that I have noticed however in some of the replies is the slightly dogmatic views of individuals who should be more enlightened. OK so alternate timelines ARE real in one persons world but are NOT in mine, or help from our friends above IS probable in someone elses world but is NOT probable in mine.
How about we try some simple General Semantics like MAYBE something is a certain way in someone elses life but is NOT in mine. That way we might be able to avoid the somewhat hostile replies that I have noticed not only in this thread but in others across the forum.
Maybe it is just me and the way that I see things and no one else sees it that way but then again maybe no 2 people see or perceive the world in the same way.
Off to lunch now

Peace and Love to all.

[StClair]

Dear Friends

The intent will be proven beyond reproach

Those who have seriously studied LIGHT-SEEDS understand exactly the method at work in my proceedings. They know what the "prediction" was in reality all about.

Had I predicted like everyone else that Ob.. would be "President" of the "USA" - then yes indeed I would agree that the people who in this thread spoke against my integrity could say that I predicted gloom and doom, as you will soon see it ensue as a consequence of his being appointed to the office by his handlers who switched the vote.

I am sure that by now you have figured out who his handlers are. Meet the new boss, same as old boss, ok. McCain was as a matter of fact elected. He will however not be in office now. He will wait and see how the rest of the multi-pronged prediction works out at http://Light-Seeds.com/Palin.html





I have never promoted fear.

Do not ever misunderstand again, or underestimate, the way in which my sources and I work. There are many things I did NOT elaborate on the videos and the audios with Camelot over the past two years, in order to protect my sources, and to keep things simple, upbeat, constructive, and precisely outside of gloom and doom.

The one thing no one will ever accuse me of is to predict gloom and doom. I have shown solutions all the way through the written work I published instead. Read Light-Seeds and it speaks volumes for itself.

In this Neptunian haze of misunderstood concepts and constant global mass brain washing... most or many people around the world (billions) have mistaken their realities, and timelines yes, and truly believed in the words "hope, change" etc. without having the faintest clue who the person was/is who drummed in these void of meaning "memes" for over a year.

You are about to find out who he really is.

You will see in time that my intent will be proven correct, as well as beyond reproach. I am very proud to have resisted the temptation of predicting what my sources told me was planned to see happen. I d rather have one "wrong" prediction than the responsibility of human lives on my resume.

Don't ever mistake an act of high magic for a primitive prediction.

Read LIGHT-SEEDS. I am FREE of the consequences of the action that happened on November 5th because i refused to attach my energy to the event. This was for you to and for Camelot to find out. I never told anyone I am a prophet, Kerry and Bill can attest to that. All I did was help some friends figure out what is relevant to know in the times we live in to create better lives.



((By the way, the guy is not yet in his office. And there are a few more proceedings in the works until then. And after that time, those who predicted his being in office can have the entire responsibility for the prediction - with all that it will entail. And those of you who secretely wished and hoped he would be in office will experience the same: Full responsibility of all the consequences thereafter.))


Think very carefully about the concept of what I explained in the audio of 5 November, and in this post in answer to all, and now new in this link about the hidden mirror. Take it to heart. It is not for the faint-hearted.

Hiding The Obsidian Mirror

I was always happy to be of assistance and constructive help to Kerry and Bill. They know they can count on my advice if they wish it, for free. I advised in September 2006 and in May 2008 again, to buy gold. I hope they did it, and I trust you did it too.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3364 advisory thread



If you understood the above and have read the Hidden Obsidian Mirror web site page, you might also want to enjoy this NEW thread, initiated by my friend Zynox at my zone - whom I had the great fortune to meet here.


See: Transformations in Spirit and
Transcending the Current Economy Trap
http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/to...-in-spirit-and



Peace
Michael St.Clair

[Triaxis]

Good thing they are off too. Otherwise, we would all be running around, slingshots in hand with gold coins clinking in our pockets, protecting our bunkers filled with canned food!

The Mad Max scenario espoused by some is too far fetched. The world economy might retract a bit, but that will probably be the extent of the problems.

When walking through the forest, do you admire the trees, watch the birds fly and feel the breeze rubbing against your cheek? Or do you look out for snakes, spiders and grass that might make your legs itchy?

[andromeda]

Predicting the future is always tricky because the mass conscioussness of humanity can flick timelines in seconds...The question worth making is which kind of timeline we want to choose?

Do we want harmony and peace among all people?
Do we want prosperity and abundance for all people?
Do we want wisdom and unconditional love to be the beacons that make us transit to a civilization which is truly "golden" and equal for all?

Then we can start by doing our bit from within, loving ourselves unconditionally some inspiration here http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/un...onal_love.html

and doing all that we can within our own lives to live a wise, kind and enlighted life one step at the time, just baby steps...

Big changes start with a smile and sincere soul searching on why we are here and what we can do at individual level to make it the best of it all.

Looking inside it is always more effective than looking outside for answers, here there is another inspirational article

http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/2012_update.html

Much love

[Allie]

Well said, ClarkKent

There is another prediction that I don't think you've mentioned that didn't happen....the '30-day' warning applicable to the UK which was supposed to cover October.

With regard to the financial crisis, I read that particular prediction two years ago in a book I think was already a few years old. I'm aware that it's in a few books / internet sites relating to Ascended Masters Over here in the UK, there's been a noted economist warning about it for years, too. As mentioned in an earlier post - you didn't really need a crystal ball to know that was coming.

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by Allie

Well said, ClarkKent

There is another prediction that I don't think you've mentioned that didn't happen....the '30-day' warning applicable to the UK which was supposed to cover October.

With regard to the financial crisis, I read that particular prediction two years ago in a book I think was already a few years old. I'm aware that it's in a few books / internet sites relating to Ascended Masters Over here in the UK, there's been a noted economist warning about it for years, too. As mentioned in an earlier post - you didn't really need a crystal ball to know that was coming.

indeed look up any "fiat" economy throughout history and you can see they always collapse with great upheaval and something new takes its place. Fiat economies fail. period.


ps- thanks to all the thoughtful calm folks posting in this thread...good to see you all are here.

[Jack]

Excelent post Clark, you hit the nail on the head.

And ladies and gentlemen, let me just tell you. This 'doom and gloom' is here for a reason. How did houdini make an elephant disapear? Misdirection.

We are currently undergoing a massive disinformation campaign which is solely in place to distract us from the evolutionary progress of planet earth and the concsiousness which resides here.

Fear makes people agitated, agitated people make bad decisions. Bad decisions make bad karma, bad karma holds us back and keeps us stuck in our incarnational cycle on planet earth and prevents us from seeing the true reality of things.

David Wilcock, Dannion Brinkley, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek amongst others are some of the most inteligent educators on our planet today. And each one of them is right on the mark with the true reality of our situation, yet they barely even get a mention here. Im absolutely dumbfounded by this. People would prefer fearfull dramatic lies over the awesome truth.

I will just say one thing, people, stop spreading fear on this forum. The reality of our situation is as bright as we are capable of understanding it. Many here are the architechts of their own 'doom' simply because they recognise nothing else.

We are undergoing a profound change in human consiousness and the gravity of this cannot be explained in mere words. Fear will bring you just that, something to fear.

Open yourselves to the true reality of things and follow your joy.

If you follow your joy and your love you will find love and joy.
If you follow your fear and your anger you will find just that.

Namaste

[Allie]

Me, too Well said, again, TimeIsShort

[Malletzky]

Thanks to clarkkent first for bringing this up.

I would totaly agree, and as I already said in my previous posts, there's no need to fear of anything.
We're all on our own path, right here and right now. So we shouldn't just blindly believe to those "whistleblowers", prophets, just name it...All we have to do is to find our thruth inside of us. With each decision we change our timeline.

As to some of the named people here, I couldn't tell why they preach doom & gloom. It's their own right.

But I surely took some time and studied St. Clair and his work.
I believe he knows much more then he's telling in his interviews.
I guess he really have an access to another dimensional planes or timelines, and what he see there is what he tells us. By I have a strong feeling he withheld some informations. What purpose for? Profit? Gear? Fear?

But this timeline is surely not my timeline.

If he's on a spiritual path, why would he advising "good" clients to buy gold, silver, why would he advise them (and us) to move to a safer zone?
The only conclusion is, these people are more on a material path. And they maybe know what's comming in their own timelines, to which they have an access to!

Well thanks for their good intentions, realy. But do it better! Do it by not seeding fear, doom & gloom here!
Do it by seeding love, do it by giving solutions for every human soul on this planet. Not only for the "choosen" one!

By the way, I like people who're on a spiritual path. And I consider DW for example to be one of those. As well as many other here!!!!

Thanks for that!!!

[Triaxis]

Originally Posted by vega

The neocon nazis and the zionists are running a small time sick side show destined for the dustbin of history.

Without darkness their can be no light......

I actually think their is a beautiful balance of positive and negative energy at this forum. Well, perhaps a little more negative than positive - that's why i've decided to post some positive comment here to help level out the scales a little

[becky]

Question: What is the difference between awareness of and discussion of a potentially bad situation and actual fear mongering doom and gloom?

I am sincere here. Because I kind of thought the reason most of us were drawn to this forum was because we agree that the world that we are presented with on CNN is not our actual world (or only sort of) and that Bill and Kerry have pulled together some interesting pieces of another puzzle.

ANyone get what I'm asking? I'm not sure I do.

Back to my coffee.

[Peer]

I think that with "the end of time" is meant: The end of the illusion called "time"
That means that there will exist no more time for the ones that see through the illusion we now call time.
That of course will have immence consequences for this 3D world if the number of people becomes bigger and bigger reaching a critical point that, as we all know will start influencing and changing everything around it.

Remember how Jazz changed the world and cars and flower-power.

The ones seeing through the illusion will live in the NOW.
The ones living in the now will see all timelines and will be able to live them if they so choose.
I can think of a horrible scenario that you will be forced to live them all but I can't see anything to cause that (although that could be exactly what happens in the moment of your death).

Speaking of timelines and Hillary Clinton:
Who do you think the guy in the background is?