How can We take the Bible seriously?

Calm it down please guys..

It's getting very warm in here!

Healthy debate is good, insult trading is not

[murnut]

Originally Posted by musado

Calm it down please guys..

It's getting very warm in here!

Healthy debate is good, insult trading is not

Why does controversy seem to follow me?

Maybe Dan Smith is rubbing off on me...

Edit...or maybe Toon

Look out Musado...hehehe

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Nice to meet you

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[Norval]

, , , I was waiting for this thread to be opened in "such" a way.

Same ol' same ol' discussion. A waste of time.

Read the book, all of the books, Deuterocanonicals and Apocrypha, books taken out by "religions", bibles have, KJV = 66, Catholic = 72 total I recomend, , , about 90.

Know the writings, all of them, read them, then talk about them.

Norval

[arcora]

It is a mistake to equate the Bible with the Church.

The Church is a man-made organization that is corruptible and corrupted.

The Bible is the Word of God - with the disclaimer that it is edited and compiled by man.

If the Bible simply were to give anyone who read it True Knowledge and Enlightenment, we wouldn't have churches (or any other books for that matter).

I believe it should be read, understood as well as possible and comprehended in context. Always understanding who wrote what and under what conditions.

I believe the Gospels are the most informative and believable part of the Bible. I also think that much of what the Bible really means to impart has been corrupted, mis-interpreted and spun by the Church. Unfortunately, most Bible thumpers only know what they have been told and many seem to lack the ability to interpret for themselves. It is easy - but spiritually corrupt - to find a passage in the Bible to justify any dogma.

Those who only listen to what the Church has to say about the Bible and faith is somewhat akin to using the Fox Network as your only source for news.

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by arcora

Those who only listen to what the Church has to say about the Bible and faith is somewhat akin to using the Fox Network as your only source for news.

Yours is one of the smartest comments I've read on the topic. I don't happen to agree 100% but that's irrelevant. Most of what you wrote is pretty much what I was trying to say in my earlier post - and I apologize to those who thought I was getting a little excited.

Hi everybody, Im new to the forum and I think this discussion about the bible is very necessary, seeing how many of the world controllers are lucifarian/satanist. The most powerful people on the planet beleive in a being known as lucifer/satan depending on who you talk to. Their deity apparently has rewarded them for there service and worship with terrestrial power and wealth beyond what most people beleive is even possible. It seems to me that this guy lucifer/satan is very real, wouldnt that give creedance to Jesus being real also??

[Samson]

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[arcora]

Originally Posted by Samson

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Which are your favorite books for finding knowledge?

[bostonirish22]

What you have to understand about the Bible is that it wasn't written by God himself. It was written by men who were prophets, holy men, and apostles of Jesus. Everything that is written was also translated, so it depends on the version you get. The Catholic ones are probably the ones that are closest to the real thing, on account of them not taking things out and twisting things around. Also, you need to take what is written with a grain of salt. It is mostly not to be taken literally. Most things written in the Bible are metaphors. It's like reading poetry, you have to read it, and translate it in your own mind to make it make sense for you. When reading the Bible, you have to have an open mind and read it more with your soul than with your brain.

I hope that helps.

<3 Tara

[murnut]

Originally Posted by bostonirish22

What you have to understand about the Bible is that it wasn't written by God himself. It was written by men who were prophets, holy men, and apostles of Jesus. Everything that is written was also translated, so it depends on the version you get. The Catholic ones are probably the ones that are closest to the real thing, on account of them not taking things out and twisting things around. Also, you need to take what is written with a grain of salt. It is mostly not to be taken literally. Most things written in the Bible are metaphors. It's like reading poetry, you have to read it, and translate it in your own mind to make it make sense for you. When reading the Bible, you have to have an open mind and read it more with your soul than with your brain.

I hope that helps.

<3 Tara

Wow, great post!

You have got it exactly right.

Kudos

[motov]

i have reed the bible many times and its an amassing book, the storys are just good.... but i dont buy the divine of GOD, but i may picture God (and jesus) as highly enlighten, spiritual and technological entity(`s) guiding men, but still mortal..
the bible is also an "victim" of censorship, it should have included all scripts and not only few selected...

[arcora]

Originally Posted by motov

i have reed the bible many times and its an amassing book, the storys are just good.... but i dont buy the divine of GOD, but i may picture God (and jesus) as highly enlighten, spiritual and technological entity(`s) guiding men, but still mortal..
the bible is also an "victim" of censorship, it should have included all scripts and not only few selected...

If a mortal created the universe, who created Him?

[motov]

Originally Posted by arcora

If a mortal created the universe, who created Him?

hi
yes i was waiting for that one...
i do not believe that god created the universe, i think thats more of an extreme complicated proses, but the theme of creation in the bible i think is a more lokal event, in the way of terraforming or just seeding out solar system, and transcripting the terms to an human understandeble realm, like night and day sea and sky..and so forth..
tnx

[Norval]

Puts on the rubber boots and wades in. Waves a hand at Musado.

First I would like to point out that this thread demonstrates certain specific tactics of "agents" in forums This one is added to our research list, thank you all.

Bostonirish22 mentions the Catholic bible,

The Catholic ones are probably the ones that are closest to the real thing, on account of them not taking things out and twisting things around.

Actually they have taken out several books that were in the "bibles" prior to 1610 2nd Esdras being one of them. You are correct in that it is a good reading bible. I have the St. Joseph's Student Edition. But the one I use most is the NRSV with Apocrypha (protestant extra books) and Deuterocanonicals (catholic extra books) with 84 books in it, like the Russians and Greeks, and most others except for the USA. But keep researching about the bible as you no doubt have.

Considering what many are now investigating about the bible and ET connection, I would take it seriously.

[Norval]

The Gods that created us are probably of the oldest ET beings. "Ancient of days" type of idea. As the bible points out other beings have been created also.

Where the first sentient intelligent life may have come from is unknown.

What is known is that those that created us, also created the universe of over 400 billion galaxies in it. Quite the work.

[murnut]

Originally Posted by Norval

Puts on the rubber boots and wades in. Waves a hand at Musado.

First I would like to point out that this thread demonstrates certain specific tactics of "agents" in forums This one is added to our research list, thank you all.

Bostonirish22 mentions the Catholic bible,


Actually they have taken out several books that were in the "bibles" prior to 1610 2nd Esdras being one of them. You are correct in that it is a good reading bible. I have the St. Joseph's Student Edition. But the one I use most is the NRSV with Apocrypha (protestant extra books) and Deuterocanonicals (catholic extra books) with 84 books in it, like the Russians and Greeks, and most others except for the USA. But keep researching about the bible as you no doubt have.

Considering what many are now investigating about the bible and ET connection, I would take it seriously.

LOL...the real agents have better things to do.

And I agree with the rest of your post

[ForsakenFalcon]

[QUOTE=Norval;18709]Puts on the rubber boots and wades in. Waves a hand at Musado.

First I would like to point out that this thread demonstrates certain specific tactics of "agents" in forums This one is added to our research list, thank you all.
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Wow accusation's on a extreme level, If I were a Disinformation Agent I'd get paided for this ****, Sadly I don't so no....no "Agents" here.

[Orion Morris]

I am not a religious person, to the extent that I believe in a single judgemental king that we call countless different names. I feel like the bible along with other religious texts are metaphores and are written in a non literal sense. Then you have to take into account that it is read in english which is not the language it was written in. Then it was translated by people in power and used to controll people. However, I still have a hard time arguing with right and wrong. The bible says that if you are good and you accept god into your heart you will go to heaven. This seems like a metaphore for the law of the universe, or karma; if you fight against the positive energy of the universe than you will feel pain or hell. Forgiveness and love will bring you into the light. How can anybody argue that. God comes from the sky and many people on this fourm feel like knowlege or et's came from the sky or heavens. I feel like the bible along with every other sacred text or teaching is a message of metaphore to show us how to treat eachother and live in this cosmic plane. Granted that man has had their hands on these books for a very long time now and I am sure that the message is twisted. I still feel that these books should not be discredited and infact we can learn from them as long as we keep in the context of the world we live in now.

[Orion Morris]

Something else to ponder about is the fact that alot of the sacred books that were should have been shown to us were never put in the bible.

[bostonirish22]

I was just saying that the Catholic Bible's Old Testament, the bible I have, includes the Torah, whereas other denominations take out several books of the Torah.

[bostonirish22]

This may sound off topic, but if you want help understanding God or the Bible, read the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis.
I read them all about a year ago, and they are truly enlightening. If you read them all you'll see what I mean, especially when you reach the last book.
haha.

[Norval]

Originally Posted by bostonirish22

This may sound off topic, but if you want help understanding God or the Bible, read the Chronicles of Narnia by C.S. Lewis.
I read them all about a year ago, and they are truly enlightening. If you read them all you'll see what I mean, especially when you reach the last book.
haha.

Torah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

bostonirish22
What a fantastic collection of writings. Have read them to many young ones over the years. Makes one want to go looking through old attics.

Yet, you may want to do more research about bibles. Moses's first five books of the bibles, the basic Torah, are in all most all bibles I have read. Actually, in all of the bibles I have read. (sighs, I really need a life, , about a couple dozen)

Stabris8
Nice posting of info there.

[Stabris8]

Originally Posted by Norval

Torah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

Stabris8
Nice posting of info there.

Thanks! this subject is of great interest to me! In addition, I do love to read and research; if nothing else but to verify my personal curiosity on a wide variety of topics!

[utarion]

The fact is this. The bible has remained true in its entirety. Can man be trusted?

Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

Jesus fullfilled over 300 prophecsies about himself which he was destined to fullfill. I say if you are going to be trusting anyone in the entire history of this world then I cannot think of anyone but the Lord Yeshua Messiah.

Matthew 5:18
I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.

John 15:7
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you.

[sfth13]

I watched this video on youtube from Michael Tsarion which gives a different outlook on who is behind religion and humanities evils

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AhbG...eature=related

it's in 13 parts abot 8-10 min. each it's another point of view to think about