something id like to share

[raulduke]

Howdy Joe,

Thanks for the update.

I started a thread recently http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5874
about the national guard in coordination w/ or operating out of Jefferson Barracks here in StL, shutting down the JB park for some sort of unannounced drill. I wonder if this is related? (Oh yeah, the thread got kinda crazy at the end there, still not sure what was going on there.)

I realise it's a long shot, but did your superiors happen to mention any specific vaccines?

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Howdy Joe,

Thanks for the update.

I started a thread recently http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5874
about the national guard in coordination w/ or operating out of Jefferson Barracks here in StL, shutting down the JB park for some sort of unannounced drill. I wonder if this is related? (Oh yeah, the thread got kinda crazy at the end there, still not sure what was going on there.)

I realise it's a long shot, but did your superiors happen to mention any specific vaccines?

Hey i read that article on your thread it pretty interesting umm im not sure

why they shut down the park the national gaurd trains all the time so i

wouldnt be alarmed about nething if u call the unit stationed up there im

sure theyed let u know wat training was conducted that day if it was done

in public it wouldnt be classified. and to that guy from normal illinois u need

to realize the netional gaurd isnt eveil like u think were everyday people who

have families too and care for other people we wouldnt do wat we think is

wrong

[lennonmccartney]

I got to like the end of part two of the interview on youtube, and then i just couldn't take anymore of him. I got the feeling he's lying about most of his information.

[Heretic]

might want to check out his Granada Forum Speech too if you like this guy

he can be an alarmist sometimes and seems to think some of his stuff is absolutely without question destined to happen

who knows but he does seem to cover all the bases as far as worse case scenarios so it is worth the viewing

I don't necessarily advocate everything he believes but I still recommend his info as a need to know

[goody8504]

Originally Posted by joe2288

and to that guy from normal illinois u need

to realize the netional gaurd isnt eveil like u think were everyday people who

have families too and care for other people we wouldnt do wat we think is

wrong

i think you misunderstood me. i have nothing against anybody in the national guard, navy, army, or w/e (and when i said 'you' i didn't mean 'you' specifically, i was speaking in general terms). i was just pointing out that if these plans do pan out, which is possible but not plausible, i want to know you've done everything you can to make sure you and your friends do w/e you can to change the situation for the better. after all, i know a lot of police officers who would say they have families, loved ones, friends, etc. and that certainly hasn't stopped the barrage of youtube videos of police brutality.

again, i'm not saying i'm worried about something like this happening, but the plans are in place

[lennonmccartney]

didn't bill get to a part where he said something like he was approached by the head guy of the council of 13 and the most evil and powerful man on earth and ceo of earth inc....

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by goody8504

i think you misunderstood me. i have nothing against anybody in the national guard, navy, army, or w/e (and when i said 'you' i didn't mean 'you' specifically, i was speaking in general terms). i was just pointing out that if these plans do pan out, which is possible but not plausible, i want to know you've done everything you can to make sure you and your friends do w/e you can to change the situation for the better. after all, i know a lot of police officers who would say they have families, loved ones, friends, etc. and that certainly hasn't stopped the barrage of youtube videos of police brutality.

again, i'm not saying i'm worried about something like this happening, but the plans are in place

hey ok yea u have a good point i just get fustrated when people think

evrybody in the army is bad not saying u do but allot of people have that

steroetype that is why i get defensive but yeah u ur a student thats cool

i am too i m glad more people are age r waking up to things i told my freind

the other night some of the **** i knew and he it blew his mind lol but neways

stay up

[David]

Joe, I have never been in the military and don't know any that are on this site. I am hoping to get your opinion on something if you don't mind.

If martial law were to be declared on U.S. soil, how would you perceive moral in the military during this declaration? Also, use of deadly force has it's place when in danger but would it be used if civilians resisted if they were to be rounded up into camps? Would our military actually comply with orders to shoot civilians if they ran and would there be massive desertions?

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by David

Joe, I have never been in the military and don't know any that are on this site. I am hoping to get your opinion on something if you don't mind.

If martial law were to be declared on U.S. soil, how would you perceive moral in the military during this declaration? Also, use of deadly force has it's place when in danger but would it be used if civilians resisted if they were to be rounded up into camps? Would our military actually comply with orders to shoot civilians if they ran and would there be massive desertions?

hey thanks for your question ok the thing is with the military the regular
army is not allowed as far as i know allowed to engage american citizens and
shoot them they may be allowed to do certain types of policing but as far as
i know it is very limited. ok know the army national gaurd is part of the army but a diff branch of the army. We are technically considered citizen soldiers because we are not full time army so we do are day to day activies like your avg citizen as well as soldiers because we train once a month like the army so we are allowed by the constituion to shoot civilians but only if fired upon first know about civilians being rounded up in camps i dont see that happening because if it did people would catch on real quick to wats happening look we may be trained to follow orders but we still know wats right and wrong and we do have morals i couldnt tell u one soldier i know who would shoot someone just because they were told too knowing that person did nothing wrong know if there was a major movement lets say citizen militia was built honestly i think if we by then knew wat was going on wede probly either refuse orders to shoot or simply desert hard to say

[David]

Joe,

Thank you for your response. I never really thought this kind of question until now.

Originally Posted by joe2288

if there was a major movement lets say citizen militia was built honestly i think if we by then knew wat was going on wede probly either refuse orders to shoot or simply desert hard to say

hey Joe, your in a hard position there with whats about to go down in the us. It would suck to find all this out when your in the military already.
And yes, there are militias forming all over the us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfc1qTfVkBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Y2f...eature=related
There was even a fox clip with jesse ventura saying hed rather live free or die. Maybe they are trying to start an uprising to bring in martial law completely. But i think the militia can be affective as long as they have a proper strategy like taking down key targets to dismantle the powers' the be pyramid of power. If we could get honest people into key positions, we could change the whole system. Especially if we could then reform the education system and wake people up from their slumber and show them whats been hidden.



Anyway joe im wishin you all the light to guide your way.

Peace

[NancyV]

There are many veterans, such as Jesse Ventura, who take their oaths seriously - to protect the CONSTITUTION (not the politicians) of the United States from enemies without AND within the country. My husband is a vet, former special forces, my son is a vet, former 82nd airborne. They would never put up with Congress or the President declaring martial law. They wouldn't have obeyed orders to put citizens into "camps" if they knew it was wrong. They are not ALLOWED to obey illegal or unconstitutional orders.

Our well trained veterans far outnumber the active military and would not stand by and allow the active military to abuse citizens on a large scale, and I don't think many of them would obey those orders anyway.

It amazes me that some people think soldiers are unthinking automatons who will blindly follow orders. That's just not so. There is the same ratio of ignorant people and smart people in the military as there are in civilian life. They are our children, our husbands, our fathers, and nowadays our daughters, wives and mothers.

In fact most of the Officers would not follow illegal orders if those orders violated the constitution. There might even be some kind of a military coup to oust the President and congress if they pushed it too far. In fact there are well developed plans in place if something like this happens, but that's not a well known fact. Certain very well trained veterans and active duty soldiers have sworn an oath to be on call in case such an emergency arises.

You should be aware that the vast majority of the military probably dislike politicians or certainly have little respect for them. Many soldiers are smart enough to realize that almost all wars are political and whether we win or lose has little to do with how good our soldiers are. It has more to do with how much money and power can certain rich interests gain before deciding to pull out, and often the plan was to lose all along, like Vietnam for example. Politicians rarely, if ever, have the interests of the soldiers in mind when playing their political power and money games.

There are a very few politicians who seem to have some ethics, but you must conclude that any politician who has made it to the congress has more than likely compromised his ethics, if he had any to begin with. You don't get into the congress unless you pander to special interests. If you got lucky and made it without compromising your ethics (much), the pressure from your party will guarantee that they will soon be compromised, or you'll be a one term congressperson with no power or influence while you are in congress (including the senate).

Nancy

Originally Posted by Dunadurium

hey Joe, your in a hard position there with whats about to go down in the us. It would suck to find all this out when your in the military already.
And yes, there are militias forming all over the us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfc1qTfVkBQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Y2f...eature=related
There was even a fox clip with jesse ventura saying hed rather live free or die. Maybe they are trying to start an uprising to bring in martial law completely. But i think the militia can be affective as long as they have a proper strategy like taking down key targets to dismantle the powers' the be pyramid of power. If we could get honest people into key positions, we could change the whole system. Especially if we could then reform the education system and wake people up from their slumber and show them whats been hidden.



Anyway joe im wishin you all the light to guide your way.

Peace

[Roofie]

I can safely say that this pandemic issue should be of major concern to all of us on a global scale.

I currently work for one of the largest companies in the known world, in the top 5 in fact. Recently we were all required to attend a 4 hour meeting regarding preperations for a pandemic. Their case of point was a bird flu outbreak. During this meeting we were told that in the event of a pandemic, the company was required by law, to detain and isolate any persons who attended work showing symptoms. We were also told that once you entered the premises that you would be held and turned over to the authority in charge during this time, ie not allowed to leave...

This to me is a very scary prospect if a workplace can detain you for being sick. Makes me think about changing jobs.

[joe2288]

Originally Posted by Roofie

I can safely say that this pandemic issue should be of major concern to all of us on a global scale.

I currently work for one of the largest companies in the known world, in the top 5 in fact. Recently we were all required to attend a 4 hour meeting regarding preperations for a pandemic. Their case of point was a bird flu outbreak. During this meeting we were told that in the event of a pandemic, the company was required by law, to detain and isolate any persons who attended work showing symptoms. We were also told that once you entered the premises that you would be held and turned over to the authority in charge during this time, ie not allowed to leave...

This to me is a very scary prospect if a workplace can detain you for being sick. Makes me think about changing jobs.

wow good information thats kinda scary that your company made u prepare

[Swanny]

On May 4, 1970 the Ohio National Guard opened fire into a busy college campus during a school day. A total of 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds. Four students: (L to R) Allison Krause, William Schroeder, Jeffrey Miller, and Sandra Scheuer were killed. Nine students were wounded.

http://www.may4.org/




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

It happened back then

[KathyT]

I am even concerned about Flu shots. I won't take them.

For years at the large office I worked at, the community promoted everyone taking them, I refused. Then I watched, over the subsequent 2-3 weeks, people getting sick with colds and bronchial problems. I never got those illnesses. Of course, the majority who was taking the shots were saying they thought they were lucky they weren't getting really sick with the flu. One day, I confided to another employee as to why I didn't take them, and he confided back that he too refused to take them for exactly the same reason, and he said he didn't get sick either, not even with the colds going around.
I can't figure it out, the flu vacinees are only suppose to be effective against only one or two viruses, the ones "they" expect to be circulating the coming season. However, there are thousands of varieties of flu viruses...so how do they know which ones are "coming"? I couldn't make logical sense of this.

Anyone else have these experiences?