Poor Gary Mckinnon

[martian31v]

i would base my defense on freedom of information. we have an existential right to know our reality. the u.s gov. while keeping e.t related information from the world, the u.s gov/military is committing crimes against humanity. therefore, gary was justified in seeking/searching for that information. it is a similar argument to the one used by Dr. Greer in his whistleblower justification (the u.s was acting outside the constitution when forcing individuals to sign confidentiality clauses, therefore breaking confidentiality is not a crime.) kerry is right, gary needs to play hardball not softball.

[bill7907]

Originally Posted by martian31v

i would base my defense on freedom of information. we have an existential right to know our reality. the u.s gov. while keeping e.t related information from the world, the u.s gov/military is committing crimes against humanity. therefore, gary was justified in seeking/searching for that information. it is a similar argument to the one used by Dr. Greer in his whistleblower justification (the u.s was acting outside the constitution when forcing individuals to sign confidentiality clauses, therefore breaking confidentiality is not a crime.) kerry is right, gary needs to play hardball not softball.

Absolutely.

The Governments worlwide are scared of such disclosure because it will bring the world to economic collapse(even though it is already happening now).
How will people react when they will know that we do not need Fuel to turn on our cars?

They want to continue ripping off the people for at least the next 200 years by standing on the idea of the "need to use Fuel and Oil".
Revealing Extraterrestrial Technology will ruin their plan.
Anyhow, those people are all criminals towards the population.

Originally Posted by martian31v

i would base my defense on freedom of information. we have an existential right to know our reality. the u.s gov. while keeping e.t related information from the world, the u.s gov/military is committing crimes against humanity. therefore, gary was justified in seeking/searching for that information.

FOIA is superceded by National Security issues... basing a defence on a need to know by circumventing normal FOIA channels and hacking into National Security computers is not only stupid, but illogical

It is hard enough for US citizens to get the info through legal channels... but then some guy that is a foreign citizen is snooping around in a foreign gov. secured systems... now that is classed as espionage

All this does is defeat the purpose of hunting for info and make them clamp down even harder. No matter what you think of his intentions, no matter what you think of the current laws, no matter what you THINK you have a right to know...

The METHOD does NOT justify the REASON

John and I have for years (him longer than me) been talking and showing evidence of the secret astronaut corps. What happened? Ridicule, scorn, being labeled lunatics... yet you all claim you have a 'need to know' about the very same issue that we get ridiculed for...

Then suddenly PBD NOVA does a one hour documentary... called ASTROSPIES... using all the same data we have presented and WHAMMY there is the beginning of the secret astronaut corp on public display and they, because of better resources had the ability to go to the Pentagon and interview the people involved...

it is a similar argument to the one used by Dr. Greer in his whistleblower justification (the u.s was acting outside the constitution when forcing individuals to sign confidentiality clauses, therefore breaking confidentiality is not a crime.) kerry is right, gary needs to play hardball not softball.

If you haven't noticed, the Constitution doesn't much matter anymore to the PTB since 911. We let them sign in the Patriot Act, We let them create Homeland Security... all because we were led to believe the Terrorists are gonna get us...

Gary needs to play hardball? With what? He pled guilty... he committed (effectively) espionage... he admitted doing this while under the influence of an illegal drug... and he didn't save any evidence...

How will he play 'hardball' when the Judge says "Can you show evidence that what you say you found is true?"

Easy for arm chair critics to say "Be a Martyr" but how many here are writing a letter to their representative at the outrageous length of the sentence?

Has someone started a petition here in the US to send to congress asking for lieniency?

Talk is cheap...

the u.s gov. while keeping e.t related information from the world

He is not on trial about ET or UFO information... the issue is the SECRET astronaut corp. They may or may not have anything to do with ET and may simply be a space task force that is watching over Russia or China... and as such is a purely MILITARY issue not a UFO/ET issue...

Judging by the recent responses on Avalon re .mil links... I am surprised that anyone doesn't see the difference her..

If people would spend less time chest thumping and actually do research they would find that NASA is the small fish in the Space Program. They are the public front, the scapegoat... Why do you think they never take legal action against Hoagland or all the other "NASA lies" websites?

The US NAVY and USAF Space Command are the REAL space program. I can (and have) shown tons of legally obtained data on these very programs and just how extensive they are and have been.

You want to help Gary?

Take it to the media, lobby for lesser a sentence, write letters to officials...

But don't expect him to fall on his sword for people who really don't want the truth if it doesn't fit their preconceived niche

For those wishing more info on Space Command et all... feel free to drop me a line and I will point you to it

[Jacqui D]

What Gary did was commendable on the part that information of Et's be made public, but how and why he let himself be caught like he did i do not understand.
Having watched the interviews he did reveal that at one point a security guy was actually communicating with him! through the computor.
Now i would have got out then and there, why push the bounderies further when he already had evidence.

I wonder if he was allowed to find this info, if so what real agenda was going on there?

Could it really be that easy to hack into highly secret compartments like that, hm! i'm not sure. But i really do feel for the guy and hope he get off but that seems unlikely.

[PodWORLD]

He's not getting off. They specifically created a one way street law just for him.

Zorgon could you give me a nod in the right direction re the program. I tried pming but was logged out as usual.

Also there is a thread discussing secret UN meetings about disclosure. Do you have any info on this?

Kindest regards.

[bill7907]

After reading Kerry's report, she states the following:
"[...]his apparent lack of sophistication during the initial arrest[...]"

Does that mean he pled guilty by showing that he does not know to much about Hacking and he was just there as a very beginner hacker in this field and that the information was not to hard to find.

Anyhow, I believe that Garry is not that much of a beginner. I think he would be a pretty talented hacker to enter that security field.



As for Zorgon, I have not been following your story up to now.
It seems you have stuff to tell us but are you reluctant?

By the way, what we can do now is having contacts in the media field and let someone re-talk about the Gary McKinnon case on the news and divulge straight what he saw.

Whilst I sympathise with Gary's plight, this has nothing whatsoever to do with Project Avalon..

We already have a HUGE 'Gary' thread running in Project Camelot General Discussion..so I'm gonna merge this one with that