Zeitgeist Addendum**must see**

[Chris Parson]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

Right, once again, thats a massive leap & I cant see your logic at all. How did you reach the conclusion that Sagen was "clearly informed about it all".

What has that got to do with wilcock or burisch? (The least 2 convincing of the camelot witnessess IMO) Please explain. Otherwise your comments just seem totally unrelated.

I also have demon haunted world. Its a great book! You seem to have missed its point.


Anyway, this is all going horribly off topic.

all the looking glass stuff seems to be 'hidden in plain sight' in contact.

even if sagan was not informed, he's still delusional and CONVINCED that there's never been any ET contact and there's never been a demonic possession and there's never been telepathy, etc etc.

i just don't think anybody can be that smart and that deluded.

i don't like him.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

all the looking glass stuff seems to be 'hidden in plain sight' in contact.

even if sagan was not informed, he's still delusional and CONVINCED that there's never been any ET contact and there's never been a demonic possession and there's never been telepathy, etc etc.

i just don't think anybody can be that smart and that deluded.

i don't like him.

You are still making a leap. Hidden in plane sight? Come on man!
You are adding 2 and 2 and getting 5.
Carl spent years speaking with physicist Kip Thorne about how long distance space travel would be possible for research for his book Contact. They came up with the Einstein-Rossen Bridge mechanism that is used in contact. It has NOTHING to do with stargates, Burish & so on. Because you don't like him, you are twisting facts to fit your agenda of him being a liar.
Carl has said some incredibly profound things. If a contactee like myself can admire the man, even given his sceptical views on ufology, then I think you should be able to go back and give him another chance.
Just because he has a different truth to your truth or my truth it does not make him a liar. That he is a liar is YOUR assumption and betrays your biasness.

Also, I see you totally ignored the quote from Sagen I posted where he says its likely the governments of the world may be holding back UFO files.

RIP Carl. You are much missed.

[Chris Parson]

i hold sagan responsible for this bizarre wave of science zealots who have no regard for common sense. they are so certain that "strange things do not happen" that they dismiss any and all evidence immediately and without scrutiny. sagan assures them that they are completely safe and sound in their assumptions.

don't make me start quoting this book


my suspicion is that he was informed. just like you said. he said it is likely that the government was hiding stuff. he probably knew a lot more than that. doesn't change the fact that he influenced the collective psyche in profoundly negative ways.

you might miss him, but he would still say this entire forum is collective insanity and that we're all deluded and hallucinating.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

"he influenced the collective psyche in profoundly negative ways."

How can you say that..?! Sagan was an inspiration to millions. I have no idea why you posted that photo either. Baffled.

If you want to talk about those that are so certain that "strange things do not happen" that they dismiss any and all evidence immediately and without scrutiny, the look no further than Michael Shermer.

Anyway, its clear you are unwilling to even consider changing your mind.

Lets just agree to disagree & leave it at that.

[Chris Parson]

inspiration to millions to keep their heads buried in the sand. new york times best seller.

[Chris Parson]

"sorry you think you were abducted. turns out you're just crazy."
- carl sagan

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Originally Posted by Chris Parson

"sorry you think you were abducted. turns out you're just crazy."
- carl sagan

As I stated before, I am a contactee and have accepted that people have a hard time dealing with that. Just like carl did!

However, I still consider Carl a hero of mine.


Acceptance is a great thing but not easy to do.

[wes_whitewolf]

It was once again an excellent piece and very well done. Glad they brought to light the Venus Project and their vision. Just wish we could get the rest of the world to watch it so they can pull their heads out of their asses and do away with this monitary system and the criminals behind it.
Can you imagine what the rest of the Universe thinks of us?
I can see my star brothers and sisters shaking their heads in disgust.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

carl had his faults, I am not disagreeing with you but I think you need to reconsider your view of him. It is terribly one sided.

And yes, he was inspiring & profound :

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Personally, I would be delighted if there were a life after death, especially if it permitted me to continue to learn about this world and others, if it gave me a chance to discover how history turns out.

Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.

[halebox]

I just loved the end great.

[Chris Parson]

he even said he thought panspermia was likely in cosmos. that comets could very likely be seeding life all over the universe.

he seems too informed to be as naive as he pretended to be.

[sunnyrap]

Thought I might interject before anyone starts duking it out that Mercury is retrograde and Mars and Pluto are in aspects that make miscommunication and hasty words almost irresistable. Something to keep in mind if it seems someone is 'coming at you'. Energies and emotions are really overamped right now with all the events of the hour anyway. I've seen people over-reacting on just about every thread (and have been snapped at several times myself over comments I thought had zero reactivation value).

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

carl had his faults, I am not disagreeing with you but I think you need to reconsider your view of him. It is terribly one sided.

And yes, he was inspiring & profound :

For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.

Personally, I would be delighted if there were a life after death, especially if it permitted me to continue to learn about this world and others, if it gave me a chance to discover how history turns out.

Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.

I agree pretty much...good post!
Yes, he had faults. We all do.
He also was a skeptic which in my opinion is healthy.
I 'believe' he saw the light later in life though on the fact of ETs and such.

BUT, What do *I* know? hehe! I am no expert. I am just Dood!