IMPORTANT: Phone Call from Bill Deagle

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson

Why spend so much energy attacking someone for being honest about their visions.

Well there is the problem of people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. I'd say the world situation equates to a oversold theater. I just question the wisdom of taking such things (dreams, visions, night-terrors) too seriously or encouraging anyone else to do so.

The world needs voices of reason and calm right now. We need visions of hope and peace.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Well there is the problem of people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.
I'd say the world situation equates to a oversold theater.

The world needs voices of reason and calm right now. We need visions of hope and peace.

If that is your "vision", feel free to it.

Mine is to scream on the top of my lungs:

!!!!!!!! FIRE !!!!!!!!

In the <much> bigger picture (Visions and stuff combined with infinity.), I will have peace on the long term, once I get out of this local and contemporary lunatic asylum where the violent insane have incited the non-violent to do the crimes by making all think that they have no other choice (Besides that one is not on the "team" and thus belonging to the opposite team.) then to save the honor and the glory of the ward/floor they are institutionalized in...

.(Still haven't heard that phone call, I guess I can forget hearing it. Thanks for posting it on rapidshare.)

[Samarkis]

In my humble opinion, this financial ball rolls from its investors.(People with big money) They can aggressively fold their investments whenever they choose to pull the plug.In so doing, they effectively shut down the company with all of its employees. This has always been going on.They are all choosing at the same time now and I feel it is a purposeful orchestrated
event to pull people to their knees.
THE ISSUE IS : ARE WE GOING TO KEEP PLAYING BALL WITH THEIR RULES

OR ARE WE GOING TO MAKE OUR OWN AND CHANGE OUR SYSTEM???

WE HAVE LYNDON LAROUCHES IDEAS

WE HAVE JACQUE FRESCO'S IDEAS

BOTH ARE FOR HELPING MANKIND GET THEIR DIGNITY & RESOURCES BACK.

WE NEED TO ALL COME TO SOME CONSENSUS WHOSE IDEA OR

COMBINATION THEREOF THAT WE PUT INTO PLAY.

I know that according to LaRouche, that plan can be implemented within 3-6
months. I don't know if it could be said of the venus project??? I suggest we go with La Rouche's plan to save millions from panic and over next year or so integrate into Venus Project. All pro's & con's to this would be helpful
CO-CREATE!!!!
Namaste

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

many people in this thread are saying that bill deagle is wrong because there wasn't a nuclear threat yesterday. Sorry but were you guys listening to the same phone call as me? He didn't say a nuclear event would happen on the 7th, he doesnt know when that will happen, but he said that an economic crisis on the 7th will start the ball rolling and lead to this event. I have been watching the economy for the past few days now and it is really going down hill.

correct i listened to the saem interview as you my friend.. and yes october 7th was the start oif the implosion for real in the uk economy.. remeber most of our usa counterparts are only lloking inwards at the moment.. uk is toast. the other stuff he said was goijg to come in the next few years,, i dont recall him giving any dates other than economic mayhem on the 7th.. which happend..

[Jacqui D]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

correct i listened to the saem interview as you my friend.. and yes october 7th was the start oif the implosion for real in the uk economy.. remeber most of our usa counterparts are only lloking inwards at the moment.. uk is toast. the other stuff he said was goijg to come in the next few years,, i dont recall him giving any dates other than economic mayhem on the 7th.. which happend..

Quite this is exactly what i said, Bill did say things may happen in the future.
I don't generally believe everything i read and listen too only when it resonates with my own feelings.
Some of us are more intuitive than others we should not debunk people when their visions give them insights.
Myself as well as many others hope and pray that this parody does not come to fruition.
Is this site for putting people down? for some i feel yes!
I suggest anyone who feels they can not take all this on should be looking at another site to get there ideas across.

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by WineHippie

trained observer...

if you place no significance on the people who you do not "resonate" to, and move on to the next resource, then the next... mining for the info that DOES spark something in you... weaving it altogether into something that makes sense to YOU... i guess the point is, there is no significance to be placed on someone's opinion, just info that rings true - or not. Peace

Truth is truth. Lies are lies. Deagles's dream was just a dream. Dan B. is a proven fraud which requires no great intuitive talent to discover. We shouldn't think with our guts or feelings we should think with our brains.

[Dadrious]

Go back to sleep America, your government is in control.

There is nothing to worry about.

[izz]

Originally Posted by Dadrious

Go back to sleep America, your government is in control.

There is nothing to worry about.

actually governments are only in control when given the consent of the people ...

so that includes the american govt - they rule by consent .. whether that consent is passive or active ..

if we want change we have to change ourselves first and feed the revolution .. peaceful one that is

[Ampgod]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Truth is truth. Lies are lies. Deagles's dream was just a dream. Dan B. is a proven fraud which requires no great intuitive talent to discover. We shouldn't think with our guts or feelings we should think with our brains.

Show me Dan B. is a fraud.
I'll await your response.

My gut feeling is you are short sighted on this one.

Ampgod

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

Show me Dan B. is a fraud.
Ampgod

A George Knapp and UFO Magazine investigation did that several years ago. Both are referenced in the following links:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html

[Ampgod]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

A George Knapp and UFO Magazine investigation did that several years ago. Both are referenced in the following links:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html

That may be proof for you. Not for me.
Thanks for posting that though.
I do appreciate perspective.

Peace'
Ampgod

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

That may be proof for you. Not for me.

I have no reason to doubt the credibility of the UFO Magazine and George Knapp investigations and findings. If you have good reasons for doing so I'd like to see them.

In the consideration of these matters probability has to be taken into account. While all things are possible not all things are probable. Occam's Razor says the more prosaic explanation of Dan B. is the most likely of the two.

[wintersun]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Obviously there wasn't a nuclear event anywhere in the world yesterday. I chalk all this up to the fearmongering faux-reality cottage industry.

Obviously Deagle is bogus. David Wilcock is just as unrealiable because he hasn't picked up on the fact that Dan Burisch is a proven phoney.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html

I don't get it. Why is such significance placed on the opinions of these people when it can be clearly demonstrated that what they are saying doesn't line up with reality?

Good one!

But what makes you think Wilcock doesn't really know about it?

He does mention Burisch, and some of his testimonies, but only to a degree which resonates with his work.

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Obviously there wasn't a nuclear event anywhere in the world yesterday. I chalk all this up to the fearmongering faux-reality cottage industry.

Obviously Deagle is bogus. David Wilcock is just as unrealiable because he hasn't picked up on the fact that Dan Burisch is a proven phoney.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html

I don't get it. Why is such significance placed on the opinions of these people when it can be clearly demonstrated that what they are saying doesn't line up with reality?

I'd be very pleased if Bill Deagle was either incorrect or seeing a real event on a different timeline (which is entirely possible).

But for clarification - and to further help you train your observational skills! - Bill Deagle never said that there would be a major incident on 7 October.

He said [my paraphrase] that the events which would lead up to the major incident would begin on 7 October.

There are many pointers to the possibility that there may be a major incident in the next few weeks, and Bill Deagle’s vision is just one of them. When I have a little more time it might be helpful for all to list all the anomalies, clues, insider references and logical inferences that an 'October surprise' (and possibly an unpleasant one) may be on the cards.

Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.

There seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

Re Dan Burisch, here I think you also have not been doing your research. Please read this page:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch_summary.html (My guess is that you did not read this before making your snap judgement. Please let me know if I am wrong.)

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

He said [my paraphrase] that the events which would lead up to the major incident would begin on 7 October.

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Hey Bill,

You have no idea how important it was to share this with us when you did...

How many here in this forum no longer have hair standing up on their arms warning of the dangers that are coming?

once again, you've been in the center of a time line change...

Keep them coming...

Rocky

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

I agree with Bill on this. It's stupid to believe someone as soon as he says he saw something in a vision or a dream. I totally agree with that. But if many people have had the same vision for approximately the same date, it is interesting to consider it. The fact that Deagle didn't say that the H bomb was gonna blow Los Angeles on precisely the 7th of October is not even subtle in his message, it's pretty clear.

You know, sometimes, skeptics make me laugh, as they believe any junk debunking on the net just as other people will believe any occult belief they'll come across there. One is not better than the other.

I've seen many seriously odd things in my life, and I mean this from a very objective point of view. Enough things to know that reality is not quite what we are trained to think it is. However, I don't pretend knowing what's real and what's phoney, but I do know that many things said to be phoney ain't at all.

And about the world's situation, we've been getting information from many people since a long time. Information about serious economic situations that would soon shake the whole world. And now, we're in October, the month that was somehow foreseen, and there IS an economic collapse. I mean, this is not like predicting that in October, there will be a lot of rain falling.

To me, at least, it's valid enough as a result to make me consider that what these people say might (just might) be true.

See, some skeptics are so skeptical on absolutely everything that I wonder if they really believe they were born from their mother since they don't remember the event themselves... and if they could, they might put the blame on hallucinations.

[trainedobserver]

I guess I've been sufficiently put in my place. I'm still not a Dan B./ David Wilcock/ etc. true believer.

[Average Joe]

Originally Posted by clovince

I agree with Bill on this. It's stupid to believe someone as soon as he says he saw something in a vision or a dream. I totally agree with that. But if many people have had the same vision for approximately the same date, it is interesting to consider it. The fact that Deagle didn't say that the H bomb was gonna blow Los Angeles on precisely the 7th of October is not even subtle in his message, it's pretty clear.

You know, sometimes, skeptics make me laugh, as they believe any junk debunking on the net just as other people will believe any occult belief they'll come across there. One is not better than the other.

I've seen many seriously odd things in my life, and I mean this from a very objective point of view. Enough things to know that reality is not quite what we are trained to think it is. However, I don't pretend knowing what's real and what's phoney, but I do know that many things said to be phoney ain't at all.

And about the world's situation, we've been getting information from many people since a long time. Information about serious economic situations that would soon shake the whole world. And now, we're in October, the month that was somehow foreseen, and there IS an economic collapse. I mean, this is not like predicting that in October, there will be a lot of rain falling.

To me, at least, it's valid enough as a result to make me consider that what these people say might (just might) be true.

See, some skeptics are so skeptical on absolutely everything that I wonder if they really believe they were born from their mother since they don't remember the event themselves... and if they could, they might put the blame on hallucinations.

There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.

Originally Posted by Average Joe

There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.

Sorry Average Joe, but if you ain't a skeptic, I wonder why you feel that my message concerned you ? Why do you feel like the hat fits your head ? If what you say you are doing is in fact what you do, then you are no more a skeptic than I am myself and we share the same point of view.

My message was pointed at the direction of those whose skeptic attitude tends to be like a religious fanatism, believing anything else than what is yet proven. So I don't think you should be concerned by this.
I

[One 66]

I my self have been feeling something is about to happen this week or next week before ever reading about all that has been said here in this forum or any other website. Good or bad, it will be, and so, I'll deal with it then. If nothing happens, cool with me too. All is the way it is meant to be. No big deal. I still live life the way I do regardless of what's happening all around me... in the moment.

One 66

[Average Joe]

Originally Posted by clovince

Sorry Average Joe, but if you ain't a skeptic, I wonder why you feel that my message concerned you ? Why do you feel like the hat fits your head ? If what you say you are doing is in fact what you do, then you are no more a skeptic than I am myself and we share the same point of view.

My message was pointed at the direction of those whose skeptic attitude tends to be like a religious fanatism, believing anything else than what is yet proven. So I don't think you should be concerned by this.
I

Well I have been critical of Deagle on this thread, and we all know that critical = skeptic to some people.

Then you post about skeptics (why?), so I assumed that I may have been one of the ones you were talking about.

Also, yes there are skeptics that are almost religeously fanatical, but the same can be said for the sponge like people who absorb anything and everything as true.

Two extremes there, and it is hard to be balanced somewhere in the middle.

My philosiphy is to question things. I ask questions all the time. Its just the way I am.

[bluepoint]

Fortunately, for me, I listened to David Wilcock's 10/04 recording ahead of the other 10/04 recordings. But eventually did wind up becoming upset although it may b something physical that I am going through. The font onscreen is so small it is difficult to read but I am very grateful to Vera Lotkoff and dolphin for the encouraging words. Ypur writing is beautiful. I encourage everyone who is upset to read either post on page 13 of this thread.

[Truth voice 2012]

Originally Posted by Average Joe

There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.

I was thinking maybe your "inner truth" is right. I think what may be happening here is, Dan is telling the truth as he knows it on his level of the pyramid. Your "inner truth" may be telling you that not all of what he says is correct but its what Dan believes to be true. Same with every whistleblower.


"If anyone knew the WHOLE truth they would be in a straight jacket in a padded room somewhere".

[Samarkis]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

There are many pointers to the possibility that there may be a major incident in the next few weeks, and Bill Deagle’s vision is just one of them. When I have a little more time it might be helpful for all to list all the anomalies, clues, insider references and logical inferences that an 'October surprise' (and possibly an unpleasant one) may be on the cards.

Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.re seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

Dan Burisch is exactly who he says he is. Do not believe every debunking piece you read on the net. Kerry and I have seen his bona fides and so has Rob Simone, on stage at the 2008 Laughlin UFO Conference, where he interviewed Dan before a large live audience. I would be interested also to know if you have seen any of our video interviews of Dan.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Namaste Bill-

I just would like to ask all those that have info that is valuable to step forward.If you have info that could avert a Tragedy-pls out with it.
Bill Cooper was not afraid-and several others as well. We look at their
deaths as a sacrifice-yet, that was also how we knew they were telling truth.
Bill will always remain a hero and his spirit may be among those telling us what we need to know. I wish I knew something as I would be running all over telling all what they needed to know.

We also do not have time to tell if Dan B. is telling all truths,I feel he is telling what he knows as truth. When one is tied into a system, they are not told all programs. We have to keep his info on a standby if it does not seem apparant now. We may need it a little "down the road".

This is how I feel with Miriam Delcado as well.

I also do not buy into the idea that there are only 4-6 "Radient Zones" of safety. Why would Divine Creator do that? It would not make rational sense.
I feel that we are all Co-creators and have a degree of control of how things shape up within our personal realities. I also believe we are more than
physical entities. I like the statement: We are Spiritual Beings having a
Physical Experience.

I think this issue is being missed by MANY people. They are ONLY looking at
3D. I do not blame them-I just wonder how to reach them so as to know-
We might have the very real possibility of becoming Light Beings before all havoc breaks loose. IF NOT: I do not want to live in a world without those that I know and love-My family,my neighbors,my grocery people,my athletic colleages,my business associates,the people I pass in the turning lanes....
My place is with my Humanity-Not running to radient zones.
Now is the time to help Humanity.

With much Love in my heart for Humanity,
Sara

[Squeptikal]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.

There seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

With very best wishes,

Bill

Yes, and I have had the same from a future angle. I'd like to share it with you.

I was making my way along a familiar old route near Pittsburgh, along Rt. 65 carrying a long wooden pole to search underwater for holes & obstructions as I waded in thigh-deep murky waters. I remember hearing what sounded like a loud incoming turbine whoosh up in the sky and turning to look, i vividly remember seeing 2 helicopters and an f-18 jet tumbling in unison as if an invisible force-field held the group together as they flew ballistically, with no lift, just falling from the sky. The rotor blades from the blackhawk-type helo were also tumbling apparently blown off from a hit. The other helo was actually upside-down and debris from a larger unidentifiable aircraft was mixed in with the other aircraft. There were smoke streamers from a section of fuselage and from the shattered helo but the whole mess continued still invisibly linked together as they fell out of sight beyond the far bank of the Ohio river.

I remembered thinking that advanced weapons (alien?) had control over the whole mess and a few other exhausted, starving people near me were in shock and amazed. I consoled them by saying that "they" weren't after us as we were unarmed and on foot. I continued along the river looking for certain machine parts for a generator and was approaching my destination only to find the 6-story building mostly destroyed and still smouldering. After climbing to the top remaining floor, some other survivors were camped up there and they offered me some food and water and some conversation. I hadn't seen any kids under about 10 years old all day but here was a sanctuary of sorts and several healthy looking kids were playing and running around in ragged dirty clothes playing tag.

An old man with a large dirty beard grinned at me and I sat down to converse. At this time being invited somewhere was not the usual result of meeting strangers so I was encouraged to find a little civility in this after-war era. "you from the suburbs?" the man asked. "Yes", I responded taking a seat at his fire. "Looking for parts, eh?" he asked. Again I responded in the affirmative. "What do you have?" he asked. I pulled from my ragged raincoat a rare bottle of white wine and began to fish out the cork with my pocketknife. "Ahh, take anything you can carry, this is my place and now it is your place too."

I gave him the first swig on the bottle and asked him if these were his kids and he said they were all a family who lived in this building but were not related except for the need to have a home. "They didn't get this far eh?" I asked indicating the green camo uniform an older boy was wearing. "No, they stopped at the bridge and turned around" he replied, speaking of the loose contingent of soldiers that remained in the area. He tried to convince me to stay by telling me that I wouldn't make it back to where I came from and that they could use the help as there were still raiders in the night from the next building down the road.

I thanked him for the warmth of his fire and the pleasure of his company but explained that I had to find the parts for the generator and return to the north suburbs. He immediately called the older boys over to escort me up to the flooded part of 65 where "you are on your own from there" he warned. I rose to resume my journey over to the next warehouse down the road in this formerly industrial district. At the water's edge the boys were telling of the "unseen forces" that control the skies and that already myths & superstitions had proved more reliable than the societal controls that used to exist.

I remembered that there were no bridges to speak of, and that the inner city of Pittsburgh was burned and destroyed and there was no reason to think of going there. I was approaching 15 miles from home and I promised our survival group that I wouldn't venture any further even if I couldn't find the parts we needed. The next building was my last attempt to find the ignition parts and I waded into chest-deep water passing a mostly submerged car, feeling my way along with the pole. I turned to look back at the survivors numbering about 20 who had annexed the old building and they waved goodbye.

The dream repeated in parts for the next few days allowing me to see and remember some interesting things about this time. There were only a few cars littering the interstate, indicating that nukes had been detonated during a time of light traffic, probably late at night. The hillsides were covered in lush greenery which provided good cover that I used well to travel. Moving slowly was key - if some scared people saw anyone running they would shoot you. I traveled without a firearm but with several edged weapons that were concealed in my clothes. My appearance was designed to be non-threatening and my clothes were configured for sleeping in. The older people I saw had burn wounds on their faces and hands that had not yet healed. Cordiality and modesty was the best defense against assault but I wasn't afraid of anyone at this point.

Except the soldiers. They weren't Americans anymore. They may have been born there, but they considered us survivors as defiant non-serving ghosts who were good for target practice, information, and occasionally tobacco. No gunshots were heard - this would give away the position of an armed person and they would be targeted by nearly everyone in the area. Only a rich fool would advertise in this way! A man's honor & dedication to their group was the only currency in that world. I remember being praised by the old man on the building for taking such a large risk when there wasn't even any gasoline to run the generator even if I found the parts we needed. Of course, I didn't correct him.

Hoarding and not advertising was the smart play. I encountered several more teenagers in the woods who exhibited respect but like lions on the plain watched me very carefully as I feigned a limp and a persistent cough even when I wasn't feeling like I was being watched. The entirety of humanity had been pushed back to the beginning of the Iron Age with hulking silhouettes of shattered buildings everywhere. There were few people and even fewer women that were visible, having taken shelter to avoid desecration, rape, and being robbed. There was no electricity, no running water, no commerce, no vehicles. The only activity was people walking dazed and starving, searching for whatever they could eat. It was so bad that they didn't even beg for food. Except for the military aircraft falling from the sky on the first day of my journey, there was no working technology anywhere and therefore, no class to envy.

The hidden slavery of our race was abolished through attrition and individuals worked not for themselves but for their group and for higher purposes. There was, however, a pervasive feeling that humans were not alone and that we would survive with a powerful lesson learned that needed to be passed on through the succeeding generations forever. Sadness was both pervasive and hidden when new people were met.

This dream I believed was a possible future and one that wasn't all that bad. Once the rulers were taken away, a purpose for life became something important and without the former distractions of our current lifestyles, was religion unto itself.