Miriam Delicado Interview, Your Views?

[quest]

i agree with clarkkile bill,


small, maybe naive example. here in holland we live in one of the most dense populated arias of the world. one of the most polluted arias of the world as well. still we are, even absolutely seen, worldwide one of the biggest exporters of food, veggies. just as one example, there should be enough for everyone.
so many young people a willing to work hard on a new, better world, things are changing rapidly now.

i do appreciate the work you and karry doing, i enjoyed listening to all the interviews a lot. but why hammering on the doom scenario’s so much. it sometimes feels to me you're, with all good intentions, serving an other agenda, one that is not serving us at all.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by quest

small, maybe naive example. here in holland we live in one of the most dense populated arias of the world. one of the most polluted arias of the world as well. still we are, even absolutely seen, worldwide one of the biggest exporters of food, veggies. just as one example, there should be enough for everyone.
so many young people a willing to work hard on a new, better world, things are changing rapidly now.

??? On what facts do you base "worldwide one of the biggest exporters of food" ?

Are you AWARE of what you are saying ? I was born in Holland myself, lived there for the main part of my life.

"One of the most polluted arias"
That's right, do you want to live like that ? Can you still feel as free human under those conditions ? E.g. Schiphol, the national
airport is every time allowed to expand and exceed limits just for the sake of economy while it's way beyond healthy limits already.

"biggest exporters of food"
The food is expensive because it's grown in energy spoiling greenhouses. It has no taste and less nutrition. It's machine like produced !
You should try food that's growing just under the sun, in a natural way. It's tastier, healthier. Less fossil energy needed.
TASTE the difference !

"most dense populated arias of the world"
Traffic jams get worse and worse ... Burning gasoline driving your car is a bad idea but burning it standing still in miles long lines
of traffic jams is madness ! And there's no solution anywhere in the future ... to solve this.
My brother spends at least 1.5 to 2 hours driving TO his work and then again back home
Do you really want to live like that ? Do you still feel free as an human ?
This way you're made a slave !! People complain about gas prices because they can't keep up while they need to go to work.

" things are changing rapidly now."
Yeah, the Bilderberg group originates from Holland. The father of our current queen was the founder of it all.
Indeed things are changing ... although the chips are proven to be "leaky" they still march on applying them everywhere.
Including the public transportation. In Rotterdam they already stated they don't want keep the alternative original paper base system.
Also the "rekening rijden" (kind of toll system) is pushed forward although the system is leaky. They have to press on.
The only thing they can do is propose more "fear" to push on. If they think you mess with the system
you get fined for 67000 euro or 4 years jail ??
Yep sounds like a great country to me ... (not really).

I know by life experience this is a good example of a controlled society. And it's explicitly possible because of the density.
It's very easy to pull the plug in certain places and the country is de-stabilized. If during fall there are leaves on the railroad tracks
there are no trains running and the whole society is a mess within minutes.

If you are in Holland, I think it's especially time to wake up and calculate your chances. Sure it's also my country.
But patriotism doesn't help you feel human again ...

Only after then you get your mind cleared to make real progress.

Cheers

[Heretic]

I have been waiting, knowing that a time will come

and when it does come, I will know it and I will then know what to do

I have been searching for 30 years for a reason or purpose that explains this knowing

I have found no answers, just patience

what she started discussing exactly one hour into the interview nailed that feeling I have always had

I consider her a sister and I saw a kinship in her eyes, and the look in the eyes as well as many key elements of the latter half of her interview rang so true for me as I use them daily

she is the real deal or we are both crazy

I am a little jealous, I want to meet our space brothers too, heck a UFO would be grand by itself

I keep watch

I am waiting

I remain

Askuwheteau

[Isa]

Myplanet2 such a WONDERFUL post, thank you. I also agree that it is up to each of us to discern and to absorb the energy of those messages that resonate with us; regardless of the messenger 'personality' or the stories they come wrapped in.

For some reason, last November, I went into my house, closed my eyes and just breathed ~ and pretty much stayed right there for the next 8 months or so. It was unlike anything in my life before and how to explain it? I felt compelled, is all I can say. And the meditations moved me to be more and more aware that SOMETHING was going on and it was HUGE. So I kept at it.

Now I feel different tugs ~ ones that push me out into the community, into conversations about sustainability and self-reliance (as a community), and toward new relationships centered around a new way of living. I am not afraid. I am not running to the hills either; it feels fine to me right here.

Bill may be right when he says some of us seem to be being prepared for something. I had no idea last November about any of this 'stuff'. Never would I have imagined being on a message board like this and sending 'fringe-weird' videos and articles to family members about corrupt powers and earth changes, new physics, crop circles, etc. where they politely consider that I may have gone off the rails....

Everything is different now. I no longer have the same questions. Mostly, the questions I ask are directed inward and are addressing my present circumstance. Moment by moment, I flow quietly toward a bright future. I believe it is good to be ultra-alert and aware. Yes there is grave danger all around, and UNBELIEVABLE suffering going on right now, all over the world.

So I anchor in the peace and healing energies of the universe and determine to do my part. Collectively, we cause a shift. We meet the future with a changed mindset where fear does not belong.

I don't know what Miriam feels inside as she speaks. My sense was that she was trying to choose her words carefully, and that she kept 'going inward' for direction while speaking which may seem her to sound monotone etc. I also feel that she understands the need to be strong/firm in her center and to have self-responsibility, yet this may sometimes express outwardly as a type of arrogance or self-importance to the one perceiving her. She did seem uncomfortable at times. All of this does not detract from her basic message, in my view. We are all connected, the spirit of truth flows through everything, regardless of how it is disguised. It is up to us to become familiar with its tones enough to pick it out of the noise and clatter.

Interesting thread, great reading and inspiring words all 'round!

[WalkingTurtle]

The more I read, hear and see the more I get confused. I know I have the skills to look someone into the eyes and I know what the person is like. And she really felt to me like a lier or at least someone knowing not telling a real story.

She was also talking about her and some other people being prepared and waiting in the background to come up when time has come. This reminds me of a preparing putsch of the governments of the world. Like preparing to take over to create a world government. Why are that people so special? We ALL are special!

At the end she mentioned seeds and all, and I was wondering if she really got the grab of reality. How shall I grow something when living in a tower block? We are just to many people here on earth, and all with different skills. There's also a very big similarity to George Green when he's talking about forming new communities. What is wrong with our current communities? There is a baker, a builder, a doctor, ... Yes, it could be restructured a little bit but that's evolution, isn't it?

I know I sound a bit too skeptic but what information shall I trust nowadays? I found that my life has been lead by some sort of path and I can see if someone wants to push me off this way. And I think, she is one of them.

It's just, I've never been given any evidence of anything about UFOs and other "strange" things. Give it to me and I will know, not just believe. And even if on October the 14th some sort UFO should appear above my house, what if that's a vehicle made by nazis?

WT

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by WalkingTurtle

The more I read, hear and see the more I get confused. I know I have the skills to look someone into the eyes and I know what the person is like. And she really felt to me like a lier or at least someone knowing not telling a real story.

I have run into this at times, and I have found that if a person is "holding back" something while you do your viewing it can seem like they are withholding truth and thus lying.

If you were to go out and talk with some friends who would think you are crazy for believing in any of this info that has brought us all here, you would have "withhold truth" and someone might tune in on that and think you are lying

dont get me wrong, trust your own intuition because I simply don't know, so I go on that intuition and experience has taught me to take several readings at different times....even different days on a person to be able to see past walls they may have up

walls that may prevent you from seeing them, as well as walls that may be keeping them from seeing themselves

its a tricky business and discernment isnt always accurate, including mine

[truthseeker]

Hi Folks,

I found the interview with Miriam Delicado both inspiring and interesting. She came across as genuine, honest and full of integrity, in my humble opinion.

So, I ask, why all the negativity about this interview? Or any other interview that Bill and Kerry have carried out, come to that? Maybe we should each of us look a little closer at ourselves before we spout negatively about this or any other witness interviewed by Bill and Kerry?

I think there may be more than a little ‘projection’ going on from many of you who post on this forum. This term will be familiar to students of psychodynamic counselling and therapy. Projection is just one version of the many psychological defense mechanisms (denial, displacement and repression are others) that we all use, to a greater or lesser extent, to avoid taking responsibility for our own life process. It is what we all do when we do not want to look too closely at our own weaknesses, failings and vulnerabilities. Instead of taking responsibility for our own life process we project outward onto those around us and blame them for problems that are at least in part of our own making. For many of us it is our partners, close family members, friends, acquaintances, neighbours and work colleagues that take the brunt of this. However, in a more collective way, as peer-groups and communities, we also project all our ‘crap’ on to those who are deemed to be outside our particular cultural group. Thus we blame Americans, British, Germans, French, Black people, Muslims, Christians, Terrorists, the Banks, Democrats, Republicans, G. W. Bush, the Pope, the Dalai Lama, New Age Guru’s, Luciferians, the Illuminati, the New World Order, the Annunaki, Nordic aliens, Grey aliens, Reptilian aliens, the Devil, God or who ever or what ever, for so many of our woes and those of the planet upon which we live. Of course there may be some truth in many of these projections. However, we have to look at our own, often passive role, in maintaining the staus quo, before becoming too judgmental about the acts of other individuals and groups.

To my mind this desire to collectively project on to others, rather than take responsibility for our own contributions to the whole life process, is what seems to be driving far too much of the critcism and negativity on this forum. The focus here for that more ‘collective projection’ (i.e. from a significant subset or ‘peer group’, of forum contributers), in addition to the list given above, often includes the witnesses that present their generally controversial ideas, beliefs, opinions and experiences to Bill and Kerry at Project Camelot. Yes there is much contradiction in the varying claims and counter-claims of different witnesses. They can not all be right? Some of their sources (human, alien or etheric) may well be in error or even deliberately spreading disinformation. The Camelot witnesses are human beings like you and I, even if they do have some amazing connections with extra-terrestrial or extra-dimensional beings. They too sometimes project their own ‘crap’ onto others. They get upset and offended sometimes and do not always present their material in the best or most credible light. So lets just give them a litle bit of rope and allow them to get it wrong sometimes. Don’t put them on a pedestal and worship there every word as the gospel truth! This is the mistake we have made with political and spiritual leaders, all too often, in the past. Then, when they fail to deliver as we have expected, they, from our perspective, fall from grace and become the very anti-thesis of what we originally set them up to be. It is also true that many spiritual leaders get too comfortable with the minions that that salivate on their every word and gesture. We set them up and they come to believe what we have projected upon them. Their egos inflate, we start to become disilusioned and then, in the end, they they begin to fall from grace. So like all of us, spiritual leaders and teachers have to retain their humility and integrity if they are going to survive the ‘Messiah Complex’ that others will project upon them. If they lose their humility and integrity, as so many do, their ‘Ego’ will take over and evenytually take them to ruin. So folks, it is essential that we all, teachers and students, look ‘within’ for the truth, as this will ultimately be a reflection of that which lies ‘without’. Or put another way, “as within, so without”, or “as above, so below”, or any variation of same.

Now then, back to Miriam.

Many here have suggested that she has told us nothing new. Well folks, I hate to tell you this, but there really is nothing new in the universe. All truth is a re-invention of what has been said before at some time (past, present or future) or place (anywhere in the universe). The problem is that we keep forgetting the truth and having to re-learn it, not only in each life-time, but also within different periods of each life-time. This seems to be part of the process of soul and/or spirit evolution. It seems that there is a need to forget, so that we can truly experience existence in the physical three dimensional form that we are so familiar with.

Miriam’s focus is very much on the present and acting now. Many here have said her message is just more doom and gloom. That is not how I see what she is saying. To my mind she was clearly saying that if we all wake up, then we can change the future for the better. Yes, we have left it too long, so many things will not be so good here on planet Earth in the near future. If we continue not to awaken, then, yes, many of the doom and gloom prophecies will come to be. Maybe we will even make ourselves extinct as a biological species. However, it is precisely because of a need to prevent such a doomsday scenario, that her Nordic contacts have now asked Miriam to come out and spread their message. The great gathering she speaks of between other contactees, like herself, and the indiginous peoples of the planet is all about bringing this more positive approach on the future to the fore. Some might ask why this has been left so long? Why not divulge it all 20 years ago when she first received the information? Well, wake up folks, look what happened to most of the contactees that came out with similar messages from the 1950’s onward. They were dismissed, debunked and ridiculed by the majority mind-set of our Capitalistic, materialistic society. It is only in recent years that a sea-change in attitude and awareness, amongst many of us, has really begun to occur. It is only now that most of us are really ready to begin to hear the truth about our origins, our present state and the possibilities for our future.

There has also been a lot of criticism here about the appearance of the entities that Miriam has been in contact with. The fact that they are tall and blond seems to worry a lot of you, leading you to wonder about some connection with the Nazi Aryan race that Hitler and his cronies wanted to create. Whilst I can understand these concerns to some degree, to dismiss these beings as having a dubious agenda on the basis of their appearance, is no better than the attitude that we humans have had toward other human races throughout much of our history. Look at how we white people treated black people in Africa when we colonised that continent. Look at how we treated the Native Americans when we colonised the Americas. Look at how we still treat many of these people today. The white, blond and blue-eyed Nordic ET’s need have no connection with the Nordic Aryans dreamt of by the Nazi 3rd Reich. In fact the Nordic ET’s special interest in, and recognition of, the indiginous peoples of this planet, most notably the Native Americans, who are red skined and of a darker complexion, rather counters this argument don’t you think? This attitude toward the Nordic ET’s is to me just another example of us vulnerable and fearful human beings projecting all of our negative ‘crap’ onto another race that we do not understand. This time though, they are a race from another planet or dimension, rather than fellow humans here on the Earth. We did not understand the Native American’s or African’s, so we feared, enslaved and killed them instead. Lets not have the same negative attitude to the Nordic ET’s!

By the way, much the same can be said, to my mind, with regard to the other alleged alien groups, such as the Grey’s and the Reptilian’s. Whitley Strieber, in his series of five books, from ‘Communion’ to ‘Confirmation’, presents a very mixed view of the ‘Grey’s’, which are the main alien form that he has encountered. Firstly, their appear to be whole variety of different beings that fall under this title. Some are tall and some are small. Some are thin, some are stout. Secondly, though at times quite cold and harsh, Strieber has had some very positive experiences with Grey aliens (he calls them the ‘Visitors’). One particular Grey alien, that pictured on the front of Communion is regarded by Strieber as one of his key spiritual teachers. So it is not a black and white scenario of Grey’s bad, Nordic Blonds good! I am quite sure that, just as there are plenty of both good and bad white, black, red and yellow human beings, there are also many examples of good and bad Nordic’s and Grey’s. The same almost certainly must apply, to my mind, to the Reptilian’s, who buy many are deemed to be the worst of the lot. Michael St.Clair has stated somewhere on this forum that he has a Reptilian bodyguard. So make of that what you will. However, to my mind it suggests that Reptilians, like Nordic’s, Grey’s and Terran’s (i.e. us) can be good, bad or anything in between. So can we please just let go of the racial bias and prejudice, that has haunted us throughout our history. Black’s, Asian’s and American Indian’s are all just as capable of racial prejudice as are the White European’s. Skin colour and general appearance must not be our measure for right and wrong or good and bad!

This brings me onto just one more other worldly group that gets a bad press. They are often referred to as robots, androids, synthetics or clones. We are told from various sources that such entities are soulless. How do we know this? Who’s to say whether such a being can or can not either generate or become a vehicle for a ‘soul’? This does seem to be the message that quite a number contactees are receiving from their sources, Nordic or otherwise! I am a great fan of Science Fiction. Key characters in many of the SF films and shows are either androids or clones. Data in “Star Trek: The Next Generation” and the human-looking Cylon characters in the re-imagined version of “Battlestar Galactica” (the best ever Sci-Fi series in my humble opinion) are two good examples of this. Then you have characters like Hal in “2001: Space Oddessy” and Azimov’s “I Robot”. In the WingMakers material, which I am now inclined to identify as a powerful mythology that may well be rooted in some factual reality, presents us with the Animus, a synthetic soulless alien race from another galaxy that will happil;y enslave us all if we get their attention. So, can such beings have souls? Why not? If our human bodies are merely vehicles for our soul in a given incarnation, then why can not a sophisticated synthetic machine house the same? When does a being become sentient enough to deserve the respect and equality of treatment that we each expect as human beings? I have no definite answers to these questions. However, let us not judge a book by its cover, whether it be human, alien or android!

Back to Miriam again. She is clearly a psychic and intuitive person who has had experiences in her life that most of us, including myself, have not. It is hard for us to entertain such experiences as being true when we have no such experiences ourselves. However, in my case I have personally known significant individuals who are extremely psychic and intuitive. I am thus convinced that they are percieving a level of reality that I have as yet been unable to experience (in this life, anyway) with any certainty. This is not for a lack of trying on my part, of course, and I have had a number of very personal experiences which are very suggestive of this higher dimensional reality. Though to be honest, I would like to have something a little more convincing at that level. However, if I don’t, then so be it, as I am sure that I will re-discover these higher levels when my current body dies. Anyway, this brings me on to my final point, which also relates to my above comments on prejudice. After that, I will shut up.

Clearly, some individuals have greater access to higher dimensions (fourth, fifth, etc.) and do seem to remember, from past lives or other realities, some of the stuff the rest of us have forgotten. Many such folk can undoubtably be found amongst the contributors to this forum. Many of the Camelot witnesses also fall into this category. However, none of them, it seems to me, have the whole picture. It is this higher dimensional awareness that we refer to as being psychic or intuitive in nature. However, to all psychics and intuitives out there, I ask you the following question. Can you always be sure that the ‘instinct’ or ‘gut feeling’ that you feel about a particular individual or group is rooted in some deeply intuitive or psychic knowing? Sometimes, I think, what passes as ‘instinct’, ‘gut feeling’, ‘intuition’ or ‘psychic awareness’, is really a reflection of some very ingrained bias and prejudice, whether that be from this life, past lives or elsewhere. This is why we all need to be so discerning in what we accept as truth, both about ourselves and others. Those of you who have strong psychic and intuitive inclinations need to be even more discerning than the rest of us. Do not always necessarily trust your ‘gut feeling’ or ‘instinct’, as it may be your own ingrained prejudice that is presenting itself rather than the more intuitive knowing you believe it to be. In my opinion, those who are more psychic or intuitive are also more vulnerable to extra-psychic influence and attack. This is why it is so important for such folk to be well grounded and to have clear boundaries. It is a fine line between a deep spiritual knowing awareness on the one hand and madness and insanity on the other. I have worked with many people with mental health problems in my life (I am a Mental Health Nurse). I have often wondered if many of these folk are very psychic and intuitive individuals that have failed to ground themselves and set up the necessary boundaries against extra-psychic influence or attack from some of the darker energies and entities of the universe. So, I guess, what I am saying to all you psychic types out there, please be careful and do not always accept what you hear from your sources at face value. There are many darker spiritual forces on the negative path out there!

I have rambled enough.

Best Wishes

Truthseeker (Andrew)

[quest]

@operator

pls tune in one the main point of my post, we all know whats wrong about this world.

[MartyMcFailure]

I just wanna say that I enjoyed the interview and found it very compelling overall and its a welcome addition to the amazing collection of interviews kerry and bill have put together.
my previous post was an acknowledgement of some good points made by clark kent about these nordics. i was just bouncing ideas off trying to make sense of this information not trying to disparage the interview/info.
The question has been for me
...Are these nordics to be trusted over the others because they r nicer it seems and beautiful in appearance?
...wouldnt it be cunning if they tricked us? i mean faced with the illuminati's cunning strategies, who knows?

based on intuition i think/feel that Nordics are for the most part good guys and are who they say they are. There are perhaps a few different kinds. Orions Pleaidians Guardians of Earth so on.

the Annunaks (the reps) are cold blooded motherf---rs. But they are reptiles, so maybe we shouldnt throw stones. what would you do if you were a reptile?
Greys the poor guys I feel bad for them. Just pawns they look like pawns too. Why all the interest in us? Did ETs interfere with them when they were at a comparable stage? And when the talk about soul maturity arent we all infinite consciousness? how can someones soul be older than mine. if the interface (our bodys/dna) was good and we knew secrets in the third world, was it just we r rotten apples?

[Sherab]

I just got to the part about seeds. It's great she's saying this. Bill Mollison, the permaculture movement, and numerous environmentalists have been saying this for years. The most important thing, definitely.

[raoulduke666]

Just watched the interview last night and it was defiantly interesting. I do have some doubts with few things that she said. I think it was mainly about her view on 2012 which I thought was a little fishy. Her view is if nothing happens on 2012 she will be happy about it and us (humans) would have altered the timeline. The whole alternate timeline theory always has bugged me...if whatever theory happens in 2012 happens, all the the believers would be I told you so. And if nothing happens well, weee...we all changed all of our views of love for one another and we altered the timeline. Is it just me or does it sound like an escape clause if the predictions don't come to pass?

It's like if you believe in a worldwide change in 2012 and nothing happens, well yay we altered the terrible outcome for a possible future. We can celebrate but everything we have been told about the future is false.

Just reminds of alot of predictions that havent come true that people swear it will happen. For that reason, I am skeptical on the whole 2012 predictions. Don't get me wrong. I do want something great to happen so it changes how we all live our lives but until 2012 I don't want to get my hopes up

[Operator]

Originally Posted by quest

pls tune in one the main point of my post, we all know whats wrong about this world.

Then what is the main point of your post ?
You wanted to emphasize that you do not like the cataclysmic views of some interviewees ...

Then you give a simple example of how positive things can be ...

1. to my opinion your facts and thus the example is skewed
2. you are right ! We don't need cataclysmic views, it's already bad enough as is demonstrated by my comments
3. I posted elsewhere in other threads that I am getting tired of all the endless debating. We need to start doing !

At some point I don't blame the interviewees emphasizing on cataclysmic events. It looks like people do not START doing otherwise.

I think that some people think they are awake but they are NOT
That's an even more dangerous situation ...

I appreciate your positive approach though

[quest]

'operator', this is what i wrote:

i do appreciate the work you and karry doing, i enjoyed listening to all the interviews a lot. but why hammering on the doom scenario’s so much. it sometimes feels to me you're, with all good intentions, serving an other agenda, one that is not serving us at all.

and my post was in now way meant patriotic, we're galactic beings as far as i am concerned. i disagreed with bill's comments on world population etc.
i am convinced that if we listen to nature, to ourselves, earth will restore, overpopulation will reduce, its all a natural process. nature seeks for balance, and will find balance, its up to us if we join in. earth can be a heavenly place.

btw, i was raised with food fresh from the garden.
presently here are two bio (one dynamic) nurseries within walking-distance. all organically grown food just around the corner. yes, a privilege, but i might move, whatever happens.
for 25 years studying and practicing ecological building and design, just a start though, organic design used to be a mainstream joke, things are changing finally.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by quest

i am convinced that if we listen to nature, to ourselves, earth will restore, overpopulation will reduce, its all a natural process. nature seeks for balance, and will find balance, its up to us if we join in. earth can be a heavenly place.

Thanks, quest ... I agree with you 100% !
We're on the same page after all

I am also glad to hear from you that you are in the mode of 'doing'

Cheers

[NancyV]

I very much appreciated and enjoyed Miriam's story. She obviously feels a sense of responsibility to accomplish her mission as she understands it to be at this time. She has much depth and gravitas. Because she does not come across as a being of lightness and joy it's to be expected that many will be uncomfortable with her message. She feels somewhat heavy about the burden of her knowledge and others pick up on that.

Her mission is not mine, but I fully appreciate what she is doing. We will not all be attracted to the same information because we have different lessons to learn in this life. There is no reason other than insecurity of the ego to fear, attack or diminish the path of another. Our destination is the same and each of us will get there by following our predestined path.

As far as caring what a non-human being looks like, that consideration seems inappropriate to me. I only consider what they feel like, what their vibrational frequency is, what their intentions are. Considering "looks" as a valid criteria for judgement of positive or negative intentions is superficial, shallow and most often leads to a miscalculation. It definitely reinforces separation.

Nancy