The “Truth” Is Worse Than Feared - New US Health Care Bill

[Spiralmind]

Does anyone have a link to the actual healthcare bill? I would like to peruse this piece of crap.

[sjkted]

Originally Posted by Spiralmind

Does anyone have a link to the actual healthcare bill? I would like to peruse this piece of crap.

I've heard it's some 2100 pages long. Hopefully you're a speed reader. Good luck.

--sjkted

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well the population is rising up, death threats on politicians, vandalism...

the media is driving the country forward towards martial law...

Palin showed a map with politicians in "cross hairs" of a rifle scope, you can't tell me she didn't know there were people crazy enough to grab their guns and head to battle...

The manipulations have just begun...

The Party lines have now become battle lines...

If you are stirring trouble on public airways twisting the health care bill into something far more evil than it is...

you are playing right into TPTB hands...

[K626]

Can someone simplify, what is the hasstle with this bill?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Simplified...

It is forcing parents with children under 26 years old living at home to have health care and making it illegal for them not to be covered.

With the addition of that much of the population paying into the health care system it lowers the cost for everyone to be covered.

In most countries that have universal systems it is a part of working, you pay taxes and health care, everyone contributes and everyone is covered.

With insurance companies now being forced to keep the costs down they aren't going to agree to paying $100 for a box of Kleenex. They will in turn go after the Health care professionals to keep cost in line.

Overall, it will lower the cost of health care in America.

Now the special interest groups being paid for by Health care and Insurance companies don't want their freedom to charge $12,000 to cure a cold to be regulated.

The 30-40 Million that weren't covered by insurance will now be covered, emergency room visits which used to be the only "free" care will drop by 85% because now people will be able to go to a doctor for preventive care.

Once everyone gets beyond the initial shock that Republicans were pushed aside because in a Democracy majority rules, and they weren't in the majority things will calm back down.

But as long as we have TPTB pushing for points that will trigger people into revolting against the government they will keep pouring salt in the wound.

I wish everyone had the insights to see what I am trying to share with all of you, I can look at a scenario and see how it is affecting our time line. Like any good chess game, the only way to win against a Brilliant opponent is to always think one move in advance.

I am trying to help the enlightened ones reading into concentrating on the next move...

we've already changed several time lines since Avalon began, now it is time to do it again...

[K626]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Simplified...

It is forcing parents with children under 26 years old living at home to have health care and making it illegal for them not to be covered.

With the addition of that much of the population paying into the health care system it lowers the cost for everyone to be covered.

In most countries that have universal systems it is a part of working, you pay taxes and health care, everyone contributes and everyone is covered.

With insurance companies now being forced to keep the costs down they aren't going to agree to paying $100 for a box of Kleenex. They will in turn go after the Health care professionals to keep cost in line.

Overall, it will lower the cost of health care in America.

Now the special interest groups being paid for by Health care and Insurance companies don't want their freedom to charge $12,000 to cure a cold to be regulated.

The 30-40 Million that weren't covered by insurance will now be covered, emergency room visits which used to be the only "free" care will drop by 85% because now people will be able to go to a doctor for preventive care.

Once everyone gets beyond the initial shock that Republicans were pushed aside because in a Democracy majority rules, and they weren't in the majority things will calm back down.

But as long as we have TPTB pushing for points that will trigger people into revolting against the government they will keep pouring salt in the wound.

I wish everyone had the insights to see what I am trying to share with all of you, I can look at a scenario and see how it is affecting our time line. Like any good chess game, the only way to win against a Brilliant opponent is to always think one move in advance.

I am trying to help the enlightened ones reading into concentrating on the next move...

we've already changed several time lines since Avalon began, now it is time to do it again...

All good then.

I realise Obama had to leave some stuff out, but it was important to get this through on the bi-partisan ticket (even though most of the Reps voted against the bill).

America at last takes one huge step to becoming a more civilised nation.

[Rocky_Shorz]

A great civilization isn't judged as much by what it accomplished as it is on how well it takes care of the less fortunate...

I agree with you, it is a huge step in the right direction

[Karen]

I think health care costs could be cut by 95% by getting the chemicals and toxins out of the food supply, and providing every one with healthy nutritional oils, adequate trace minerals, and vitamins in therapeutic doses.

Laboratory testing will show each person has different nutritional needs. Most cases of mental illness can be reversed by providing the nutrients people need to bypass metabolic and genetic errors.

This is what should be covered by a National Health Care system.

In the early 1950s Abram Hoffer was curing cancer and schizophrenia with 1 gram of nicacin and 1 gram of vitamin C after each meal.

Look up Orthomolecular medicine and psychiatry for more information.

See nutritional treatment plans for the different types of Bipolar Disorder:
http://www.alternativementalhealth.c...s/walsh.htm#Bi

Bipolar disorder is not a single condition, but an umbrella term which includes a number of very different biochemical abnormalities. I'm bothered by any attempt to generalize over the bipolar phenotypes & to blindly recommend any formulation or therapy for all of them. The key is to determine a patient's biochemical individuality, and to provide focused appropriate treatment. In our database of 1,500 bipolar patients, about 25% are overmethylated, 35% are undermethylated, and the remaining 40% do not exhibit a methylation disorder.

[gscraig]

The thought is a step in the right direction, but the action being taken is not. I was once excited by this initiative a long time ago, before I realized who and how the cost would be controlled. Aside from small slaps on the hand of the Health Insurancy and Pharmaceutical Industry.

Once again, the people are being asked...Excuse me, correction...Are being "told" to flip the cost for a broken system they did not break to begin with. The primary focus of lowering and controlling cost for this system should come from those who broke it by inflating, generating and falsely engineering cost. This would be addressing Health Insurers, Pharmaceutical Companies, and poor expense management by doctors (to name a few). Any and every time you have a bill that requires a behind the door arm twisting/effort to pass it, there is something wrong with that. Furthermore, there is something wrong with those who organize such a meeting out of public view. Remember when all this first surfaced and Health Insurers were crying and lobbying? That was up until they had a behind the door meeting with Obama and his administration. Notice how they are now for the most part, quite quiet. Sure the Insurance companies will lower their costs, why they just gained 30-40 million new customers paying into their system annually. Can you imagine that profit margin?

I was reading the comment of a box of tissues generating a cost of $100. That is the problem in itself, not who's going to pay for it, but why the price tag, when the patient or doctor can buy that same box of tissue for $3.00 at the local grocer. Yet, we cheer the people being told that all will be covered by this plan as long as we pay for it, and the caveat of us not paying will result as fines, or potential jail time.

Now, back on the ranch, the Health Insurance and Pharmaceutical exec's and policy makers are fre-e-e-e to be. There is no penalty for them. LOL!

I recall during the primaries how Obama refuted Hillary Clintons proposal of assessing a fee or penalty on those who don't or couldn't pay into her Univeral Health Care plan, and accused her "behind the door" meetings with select people, further tainting the idea....Well, "How do you like me now?"

This is much like solving world hunger. We have the resources to do it, but it is not done. Let's look at Africa. Countries have gone in and simply stripped and stripping that beautiful continent for it's precious resources, while displacing many of it's people. Yet, they are starving over there and the only help they mostly receive is through volunteerism, not those whom created their conditions and/or whom are getting rich off their land. The weatlhiest continent on this planet, has the poorest of humanity living on it. They are dead and dying and killing each other for what is within their reach. So, that brings us back to healthcare, it does not require us to pay anything to fix it and have everyone covered, it just requires the rich, greedy, and immoral to stop breaking it. Now, we are fighting each other instead of going after the creators of our dilemma.

A point was made about removing all of the toxins, pollutants from our food and water supply, and frankly investing in new natural medicines and research the way we invest in pharmaceutical medicines. That would be a very good start. It has been proven that the Big Pharm medicines usually cure or minimizes one ailment, that then creates a side affect or new ailment requiring the patient to purchase another medicine. Have you noticed how all of these so called FDA approved medications are always the medicines being recalled or found to have killed or injured. Now, everyone will be able to afford being killed and injured by these entities. So why are we cheering, or better yet accepting this?

This system and it's manipulators/abusers need to be abolished and restructured with integrity, not refinanced by it's victims.

[gita]

Rep. John Dingell - a Freudian slip – ‘TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE’!!!

Dingell: It will take some time for ObamaCare to "control the people"

[Rocky_Shorz]

Homeland security is now raiding militias...

Homeland Security Today: DHS Should Fear Potential Attacks from Domestic Sources
Author: Mac Slavo- March 27th, 2010
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In the wake of the passage of health care legislation, the editor of Homeland Security Today warns that government installations and government symbols may become targets of domestic extremists:

In such an atmosphere extremist violence is a real possibility, particularly directed against government installations or symbols of government authority. Coming on top of a census process that has also been infused with extremist charges, homeland security officials at all levels of government should be especially vigilant against potential attacks from domestic sources.

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Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYCHl...layer_embedded