Lucifer, Demons, 'Dark Beings' - who are really the 'good' guys??

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

Darkness is only a concept that apply to our eyes because they have such a short range. Also before there was light there was sound

But I don't need to use my eyes to 'see/feel' the light or the darkness?

IMO, the whole thing here is not about perceiving with our physical senses. It takes, more then ever, the need to hear and see from the heart and recognise and understand our feelings and how they resonate with our human actions. Then and only then I can assign my feelings to any of the labels you also mentioned above.

About "...before there was light there was sound"...but sound doesn't shine... or does it? The sound vibrates and therefore is able to 'produce' light.
So why not assume that there was 'void', 'darkness' or name it whatever you like, where sound existed, but before there was light?

Also I don't have to choose anything but, as 'The Chosen' says well in his post, to choose to act acccording the provided guidance (it's been provided to all of us and we all act, more or less unconsciously according to this guidance).

Long ago, probably since the day of my birth on this planet, I choosed to live and act by the only two laws that matter to me: to love myself and all other unconditionaly and to treat other as I would like to be treatened myself.

I can't complain so far...so it works for me.

Originally Posted by TheChosen

I agree that it is too simplistic to call things good or bad. Personally (as I already explained in much greater depth in my book) I only guide myself by cause and effect. The effect of any movement of my consciousness is either resonanting with my agenda or not. My agenda includes keeping my karma relatively clean so in many cases it keeps me on the 'moral' side of things.

It still fascinates me that we may have this powerful ally waiting for us to realise it while so many people have been led to believe that it is their greatest enemy.

Well, I guess we will soon be able to 'find out' about this

BTW, your thoughts brought me to think about something else: we've been warned by many sources to be careful about 'the one who will come and shine with their light', as those will be the false one. Now, to apply that analogy to what your question is...shouldn't we assume that really, the one from 'the darnkess' are the one that will bring the 'real light'???

To bring is meant as a process of merging the darkness and the light within us!

with much respect
malletzky

[TheChosen]

Yea Malletzky thats a very good point. If the religious establishment tried so hard to 'warn' us against the 'false ones' , maybe those are exactly the ones we should be seeking out. If they are for the abolishment of organised religion, then for sure I can think of many ways I would be willing to ally with them.

Btw now I realise that the so called 'demons' have very similar structure to the draconian race. In fact one of the beings in those visions was a half-dragon

[tone3jaguar]

All dimensions in this universe are evolving.

[Gevaudan]

Great topic!

I must be brief here, but I will say that all of you have brought up interesting points which I have considered for some time. If any of you are familiar with the Invisible College (War in Heaven) you have probably deeply contemplated this issue. For those unfamiliar, please see the following: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm

There are certainly many different levels of beings populating all that is, and there is a certain faction that believes the god of the bible, Jehovah, to be the demiurgus and certainly not God that is the Source of everything. I have no loyalty to any certain beliefs, so this is quite possibly the case in my individual life experience.

I take Lucifer to represent something that cannot be described in normal convention. I see it as 'ignorant intellect,' that is intellect that has severed its ties to the Source. As a scientist, I have witnessed this phenomenon quite a bit. There are many very intelligent people working for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the collective good. For this reason, many of our technologies have mutated into monsters of our own creation. Evil is the result of the 'false light' of intellect creating things of vibrational discord resulting in a non-harmonious reality.

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

But I don't need to use my eyes to 'see/feel' the light or the darkness?

About "...before there was light there was sound"...but sound doesn't shine... or does it? The sound vibrates and therefore is able to 'produce' light.
So why not assume that there was 'void', 'darkness' or name it whatever you like, where sound existed, but before there was light?

is meant as a process of merging the darkness and the light within us!

with much respect
malletzky

I know what you mean. Before light and sound also there is pre light and pre sound, or thought. Void is a concept more suited to space dust and not to Source. Source is conscioussness and conscioussness can never be a void or emptiness

Source conscioussness is aware off all of itself at all times and we go into it as conscioussness or as space dust it is a choice. Once we go back into source we can come out again if we choose to for energy does not end or begin in our paradigm

It is rather difficult to explain with words what it feels like to substract oneself to the point in which one is just cosnciouss conscioussness but it is real and possible to experience it

Darkness as it is normally described in the Earth paradigm normally refers to ignorance, separation, oblivion, disintegration...

Conscioussness is neither dark nor light, it just is and contains it all including all the darkness and and all the light

Love

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

It is rather difficult to explain with words what it feels like to substract oneself to the point in which one is just cosnciouss conscioussness but it is real and possible to experience it...

I know what you mean. On the begining of this year (described in my thread about the concept of the unification), I was given the incredible chance to experience the merging of myself (my local consciousness) with the whole ('the conscioussnes'). Inredible feelings, indeed.

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

Conscioussness is neither dark nor light, it just is and contains it all including all the darkness and and all the light

Love

with and respect
malletzky

[Mercuriel]

I could post a great deal here but I AM made to understand that now is not the time - YET - to Post what I will in this Thread and others like It.

I will say this though - Many have it very close in this Thread. Please remember this if You will...



Always seek the Highest and Best of All Concerned in All Things and know that anyOne with Your best Interests at Heart is truly Your Friend. Those that would have You move into violating Your own Free-will or that of Others - Is not Your Friend and does NOT have Your best Interests at Heart...

I will leave off for the time being with this.

I AM Being slightly Cryptic as Spirit says to the Commonality that I AM - "Wait, there is more to be displayed before a further comment is required..."

[observer]

The Cathars[1] believed there were two gods at work in the universe. Their understanding of the world was a simplistic view of a very complex issue. Their interpretation came from a time when the concepts of humanity could only be expressed in the terms understood in that particular era.

Here in this particular third density, the Cathars believed that Rex Mundi was the God of the World. They saw everything - both good and evil - of this gross material density as the work of Rex Mundi. In their time, they saw the Catholic (Roman Empire) Church as the work of Rex Mundi. This belief led to the total inhalation of the Cathars.

So, you see TheChosen, your issue: "Lucifer, Demons, 'Dark Beings' - who are really the 'good' guys??", has been addressed throughout the history of Humanity. (Gnostic belief can be traced back into early Grecian Civilization, and was a very popular belief system during the times of the Roman Empire) The knowledge of antiquity has simply been "purged" from the record as a means to protect those who manipulate reality from behind the smoke-and-mirrors.

The Cathars also believed the Creator of All There Is, i.e. the rest of the universe, was the Goddess Amour, the Goddess of Love.

As I said, this is all a very simplistic view of an extremely complex issue....

NOTE: [1] The Cathars were the last living social structure of the Gnostic faith. They occupied the Languedoc region of France and were "purged" from existence during the Albigensian Crusades ordered by Pope Innocent III. This is the source of the quote: "kill them all, let God sort it out".