Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

abraxasinas · 02-04-2010, 01:17 PM

My dear Abraxas,

If humans depend on the vibratory rate of the collective and the vast majority still feels “trapped” within it, what would be the best way to break free for the skeptic one (or someone who is not really "attunned" yet)?

Hi Juli!
The 'skeptic' in a sense will have an easier 'time' to adapt, than the 'true 'supernaturality' believer'.
Both are 'tunnel-minded', in not accomodating 'deviating ideas'; but the skeptic, priding himherself on 'scientific rationality' will be able to 'rationalise' and accept physical changes in the environment; whilst the supernaturalist will relate physical environmental changes to the 'works of the devil' or such.

This is the 'good thing' about the general 'brainwashing' of the populus. Over 95% of 'fence sitters' will simply adapt to a new 'status quo' without questioning such changes.
As before, this 95% will seek to 'be guided' by whatever 'change of guard' has eventuated.

The other 5% includes the 'Powers-That-Be' (PTB), who have fully accepted the ET-esoterica-spiritual reality of the human history at a 'central neutral position' and the two polarisations of the skeptical rationalists and the supernaturalists.
The so called 'New Agers' and relatives so are most closely able to 'contra' the neutral position of the say illuminati-luminari (brotherhood of the serpent); - as long as the 'alternatives' can 'overcome' their own brainwashing and infiltration(mainly by disinformation regarding ETs, UFO etc) by the PTB.

Is it fair to say that the awakened ones are helping the un-awakened by their mere presence making efforts to awaken someone else really unnecessary? In this sense, at least to me, STO originates with STS first.

Yes, the mere presence is sufficient as the 5% is halved in so 2.5% (actually 2.77%) say as 200 Million in 7,200 Million.

Many talk about transmuting the lower energies and blockages into love, etc. etc. perhaps because they’ve found out they’ve done it after the fact. Humans are very impatient in nature and want to know how to do this. I’ve found that it’s very hard to convey to someone else an experience that is so intimate and unique for each one. I know each awakens at their own time and I’m sure the ones who have “heard the call” being lightworkers (or whatever they like to call themselves), have found a way to deal with these issues because they are more aware than most. Many of them think they have mastered everything and have no issues whatsoever to work on anymore, and perhaps some have. But, what troubles me is that some “New Agers” sound very self- righteous and I think this creates more of a divide than anything else; not to mention the infiltration of the PTB in order to cause even more confusion. The “average-Joe” instinctively rejects what cannot be proven and felt fist hand perhaps due to the intense programming experienced.

Yes, you have discerned this very well indeed. Some of the most self-righteous personas I have encountered, call themselves 'New Age', 'Lightworkers', 'Enlightened Goddesses/Gods' etc. etc.
Much of the 'New Age' is more based on egocentricity, than the 'Skeptics Socities'.
An easily applied criteria is always the fiscal angle. Does the 'New Age' 'make money' or 'build careers' and if so, does this lead to extravagant lifestyles?
Engaging in lecture tours and such, can certainly be a noble endeavour; but a 'true advocate of the spirit' would NOT change his 'individual lifestyle' to correlate with say 'travel necessities' and then go on holidays on yachts or live in extravagant mansions like a filmstar, whilst 90% of humanity lives in physical poverty and deprivation. The disinformations I have already mentioned in the paragraph above this one in preemtiness.

So, my question is: What is the best way to approach friends and family members about the need to prepare for this “Shift of the Ages”? What about the people we don't know? How to help them? Do the Thubans have some practical advice they can share now as to how to be in sympathetic resonance with the energies coming to Earth?

Yes, simply tell your truth as you see, experience and feel it, without fearing consequences such as ostracism or loss of your status as a peer in whatever group mileu you find yourself associated with. Of course the more data you have to feed your superconscious in remembrance through the mirror of the subconscious for your waking consciousness, the more able you will become to 'believe' your own truth.

What do the Thubans think of the 10 commandments? Is Billy Meier’s “Talmud of Immanuel” a hoax?

The 10 commandments became replaced by Yeshuah's 2 commandments; not in the spirit of the 'You shall not..', but in the interpretation into lawfulness.

About Billy Meier. The below critique on Jim Deardorff's claims about the 'sterilization of women' being an anachronism (forgery in application of time sequencing) at least indicates that at least some of the Meier material and including the 'Talmud of Immanuel' material serves self-propagandist purposes.
(see http:/http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/dear.html/ )

Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:
TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.
The quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)

Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.
The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".

I do NOT support the overall skeptical 'debunking' of all such 'New Age' material, as stated by the author, but support the above rationalisation and evidence.
In the TJ it is claimed that Jesus was born 6AD, a date not supported by the Thuban archives (there it is 6 BC).

What do the Thubans think of adultery and killing in self defense?

Adultery does not exist as a 'lawbreaking' statute in Thuban; as there 'is no marriage in the kingdom of God'. The soul by definition will be FREE to pursue its path towards unification (in reflection) with the primal source.
On Thuban, it is the female (expressed from the quadruplistic genetic complex), which is genetically and biologically defined to engage multiple partners. This also was the natural law on Gaia in the matriarchical societies.
In practical terms it is 'much harder' for a male to satisfy multiple female partners, than vice versa.
This does not mean that temporary monogamous partnerships are discouraged; the emphasis is that no 'marriage contracts' of 'ownership' and such are 'made law' on Thuban.

As the soul is immortal by definition; the 'killing in self defense' is rather similar to any other 'killing'. The perpetrators and victims are both required to process their thoughts, deeds and actions in self-consciousness self-awareness.

What do the Thubans think of demonic possession and exorcism?

Once the label 'demon' is understood to be part of the 'occultized' superconscious selfhood; the idea of something other than self possessing this self becomes untenable.
In 4D the astral notions of the Incubus (male demon possessing a female 'sleeper' say sexually) and the Succubus (as the female demon possessing the male) have a potent reality relative to the 3D 'sleepers'.
On Thuban, the Incubus and Succubus become the fourfolded sexual selfhood in a form of highly eroticised Self-Possession.

How do the Thubans explain Stigmata?

A real manifestation of 'astral' 4D energy manifesting in 3D by ElectroMagnetoMonopolic Radiation EMMR-selfinduction (EMMR=Scientific Definition for the Spirit as differentiated sourcew energy).

How do the Thubans explain spontaneous human combustion? Does this happen also in a different world or dimension or ET race?

This is a related EMMR induction, manifesting through the circulatory nerve-neuronal-blood channels linked by endocrine (chakra) systems.
If a biochemical system like the human body exists, this energy transform can occur. It is however always based on the 3D core-seed.

What does the X symbol mean for the Thubans? Will it mean the same as this cross (+)?

X=24 and relates to the Egyptian hieroglyph and ren=name of the cartouche of the Ankh. It is the 2nd resonance of the perfect number F=6=Mirror of Hathor, the 1st resonance being O=15=Circle=Sirius=Sothis=(Tarot Devil).
It symbolises Immortality in say the 24 Elders about the 4 Elemental Beasts about the Monad of 'God's Throne' in (archetyped) heaven.

What does it mean if a child sees this (X), say… on the walls; at the same time she starts seeing people’s auras? Does it mean anything if a child always draws the combined symbol of one superimposed on the other?

It's again this most potent archetype of the immortality of the soul. A child doing what you describe REMEMBERS its own immortal selfhood of the disincarnate selfstate.

Could a walk-in experience happen at childhood? Do all walk-ins know they are one?

Walk-Ins DO NOT replace the existing soul, but complement the same. So a walk-in can occur at any time in the incarnation and simply represents a 'soul merger' leading to an enhanced remembrance of the 'family-soul'. A walk-in so simply represents a 'fuller' expression of the soul, as all souls are just such Family-Souls, as for example exhibited in the fundamental quadropolar sexual cosmic identification matrix.

Some think Jesus is incarnate and walks on Earth at this time as Maitreya. What do the Thubans think of this?

Indeed Jesus is 'walking the earth' - as a 'hidden' part of the Family-Soul within EVERYONE.
This was the purpose of the Resurrection and the Transfiguration from the 'individual particle form' into its encompassing waveform.

So all the 'crazy ones', claiming to be Jesus are actually correct in their underinformed selfexpression of 'the (w)hol(e)y name'.
All the ones expecting or 'manufacturing' some 'future' individual, say emerging from a spacecraft as 'Jesus of Nazareth' or the 12th Imam or Kalki or a new Buddha or Maitreya are in a manner 'deluded' or 'deceived' by their own expectations and mistranslations of the archetyped 'holy writs'.

The crux (x=+) of the matter is that 'Jesus' knocks on all doors/hearts KNOWING that heshe is already there.
It then becomes the 'AntiChrist's' 'task' to attempt to 'deny entry' for the 'Cosmic Christ' in its required and necessitated function to fulfil all prophecies and timelines to the latter's completion.

Abraxasinas

best regards,

Juli

abraxasinas · 02-11-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas

My dear Abraxas,

Juli

Dear Abraxas,
Is it true that our sun Sol is only capable of sustaining life on 3D Earth for say another 50 years or so, or is it just doom-and-gloom talk? What are the sunspots we see (from our 3D perspective) in reality or I guess in a higher D? I do think suns could be cool in higher frequencies. Some say there are 12 planets inside the sun. What can you tell us about this? http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/The_Sun_Is_Cold_I.htm http://www.davidpratt.info/hollow.htm#wi Will Earth ever have 2 suns and if so, when? Could it be that the new Gaia will become like a new sun (star) in the sky to the 3D Earth?

Hi Julissa!

The sun Rahsol is about 4.6 billion years old as a type G2V dwarf typical main sequence star on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram.

Its fusion energy derives from the mass into energy conversion (hydrogen into helium) of so 4.3 million tonnes per second and so the sun will lose about 1% of its mass of 2x10^30 kg in so 150 billion years.

As the sun will remain on the main sequence for about 10 billion years, the present age of the sun is about halfway as a G2V star, before it evolves into a red giant in about 5 billion years.

There are a number of things, people should know.

1. The Sun in 3D harbours specific physical characteristics.
a) The Core Temperature is about 16 million Kelvin
b) The Surface Temperature is about 5800 Kelvin
c) The Corona Temperature increases from the (cool) surface to 2-5 million Kelvin

The physicist's explanation for the 'unexpectated' hot corona are magnetic vortices and 'fieldlines' inducting the energy via corona mass ejections and the sunspot cycles (two 11 year halfcycles). This is often termed 'Magnetic Reconnection', possibly linked to Alfven Waves.

2. The Sun in 4D (and higher) harbourts a Solar Black Hole 10 kilometers across at its core.
a) This Solar Black Hole communicates with the planetary Black Holes of the solar system including the golfball size Black Hole art the earth's center
b) The 4D solar energy interacts with the 3D solar energy via geometrical archetypes

The Thuban omni-science has discovered the reason for the sunspot cycles.

From the Thuban archives:

A local universe about a star forms a Black Hole-White Hole dyad of ellipsoidal focalisation of the Eps-Ess duality for 2 Chandrasekhar (White Dwarf Limit) masses of 6x10^30 kg=3 time Mass of the Sun. This ratio of 1.5 is important for the inner-outer penetration of the solar syrface to 2/3 depth and 3/2 coronal halo of the radius.
(The dyadic supermembrane as a soursesink modulates frequency as inverse time being a time constant).

The Solar Frequency Fsol=c/Wavelengthsol of the Star in three 120 degree sectors.
The isoceles triangle for this trisection so defines a Solar Chord of
Sqrt(3).Rsol adjacent to the two radii Rsol, as sin60deg=Halfchord/Rsol.

Then Fsol=lightspeed/(Sqrt(3)/2)=600 million seconds/1.732..~346,410,162 seconds or 4009.4 days or 10.98 civil years.
A halfchord so defines a 11 year sunspot cycle doubling to 22 years for the full chord with the size of the star a simple proportion of the Black Hole's Photonic Ergosphere (1.5 times from the event horizon), and where photons are 'forced by gravity' to travel in orbits around the sun.

So the 4D Sun ENCOMPASSES the 3D Sun and inducts the energy from the core to its coronal perimeter via the mass-magnetocurrent equivalence APPEARING in 3D as coronal ejections, the magnetic reconnections and the Alfven waves.

The sunspot cycles are like a 'heartbeat' or breathing of the solar entity, harbouring intersolar lifeforms as 4D sentiences also utilizing the sunspot magnetic current vortices as conduits from the solar core to the coronal perimeter.

The 'materializing' geometric shapes (one the Eagle of Thuban) derive from the 4D energy manifesting 3D shadows, independent on the temperature environment.
(Like a shadow cast onto a wall from a hot object is not itself as hot as the object casting the shadow).

A basic geometry is that of a corner in your room, joined by three perpendicular vectors, each of say unit length.
Now form a 3D tetrahedron in joining the three vectors to form an equilateral trianle.
The resulting Corner of your room is now 'sealed' by a socalled 'Right-Angled Tetrahedron'.
Note, this is NOT a 'Regular Tetrahedron' as one of the five Platonic Solids and where all four triangular faces are equilateral.

Summararily then, the UFOS around the Sun are from the Sun's Interior, but are 3D shadows of their 4D reality INTERDIMENSIONAL and encompassing the observed 3D (say by SOHO).

Yes, Gaia will become a Starplanet, radiating a 'Dark Light' as electromagnetic emission at the 3x10^30 Hertz frequency and at the worhole wavelength of 10^-22 meters after the golfball sized Black Hole at the planetary center 'turns inside out' to render the Black Hole Sink-Receiver a White Hole-Source-Emitter.
This so will complete Gaia's evolution as 'dark energy absorber' and render this absorption a new energy source at the center of the planet, so rendering it a starplanet.

The idea and archetype of Nibiru and of the binary sun Nemesis so converge in the renaming of the old planet Gaia 'ascending' into starplanet status called Serpentina=In A Serpent according to the Thuban labeling.

This is an excerpt from: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf [The term “old soul” is an example of this fallacy in perspective. There is no such thing as an old, or, for that matter, young soul. Soul is not an entity of spacetime. It is not conditioned by time. Soul doesn’t improve with age any more than it degenerates with age. Soul is a constant unto itself, however, when soul dons the vessel of the mind, emotions, and physical body (i.e., human instrument), it does become a subject of spacetime, but only in the view of a single lifetime. ] When you mentioned that indigos are “old souls” did you mean it as in they having more physical incarnations under their sleeve compared to non-indigos?

This is just wordplay. Yes, the soul is a constant as a shard of the creator-creation and yes, all souls are as old as the universe itself, say 19.1 billion years in electyromagnetic toroidal topology.
And yes, an 'old soul' refers to one that has experienced physicality in the earth plane for a longer linear time perception, than has a 'young soul', who has not experienced many such earth-plane incarnations.

Can the totality of a human being exist below the 4th dimension?

Yes, this totality exists in all dimensions, even the null dimension of the void=eternity. Humanity collectively IS All That Is.

Do you think our generation will live to see the secrets hidden in the vaults of the Vatican?

Yes, those secrets are already known for the ones that seek and discern the 'leaks'.

Do you think this could happen before the shift?

Not generally. There will NEVER be an official disclosure of those secrets classified under the label of 'national security'; as this would amount to 'political suicide' or 'lost individual integrity and honour' and similar labelings.

I’ve noticed a somnambulist person is hypnotized-like or in a deep trance even with his eyes opened. Is it dangerous to talk to a person while he sleep-walks?

This depends on the individual situation and like any 'medicinal' symptom should not be generalised.

Some say the whales and dolphins will no longer be required to stay on Earth after the shift because the new Starhumans will be able to start anchoring cosmic energies then. Is this true? Will they stay on the old Earth?

The cetaceans are the physical representation of the ETs known as Pleiadeans and so contact with say the seven sisters (Barbara Marciniak is a channel largely supported by Thuban) will correlate and blend the ET-sentience with the cetacean sentience in physicality.

During OOB experiences why do some see their silvercord and others don’t? Could it ever break if you go “too far away” from your body? Could it break or be broken by someone/something if it’s not your time to die?

The silver cord is an old archetype of interdimensional connectivity and intersection, which has largely become replaced by the more 'modern' archetype of the wavefunction quantum entanglement in a holographic universe (matrix movies, simulation and holograms, holedecks etc. etc.).

What happens to the soul of the person who dies from an atomic blast as compared to any other form of dying?

The transition is rapid and without trauma in the unification of the tripartite consciousness of waking-sub-super. All souls are in a manner superconsciously aware of their death experience before incarnating into the consciousness divisions of the forgetfulness.

What does it mean “to exit this reality at 90 degrees”?

The 4th dimension in space (as the 5th in spacetime) is at right angles say to a corner of a cube.
So because the 3D perception cannot 'picture' any extension of the existing 3D; the 4th dimension will become selfintersecting with any of the 3 perceptible ones of length, width and breath. This then creates the 6D hyperspace a 3 possible coordinate directions, one of those becoming the 4th density so called.

What are Orbs? In the attch pic (Taken on a clear night at a friend's house) I see many orbs and also some white stuff. What do think it is?

These orbs are the manifestation of the 4th density as a shadow or projection from the 4D hyperspace.
The UFOs etc, if not manmade in 3D, all will appear as such projections in a lightform, then able to plasmerize as 4D projection.
Only after the 4th space dimension has opened up (in the Black Hole-White Hole Inversion), will the UFOs become truly physical in the 6D hyperspace coinciding with the 3D Linespace. It is like the doubling of the universal volume as a higher dimensional surface mathematically and geometrically.
This is well known in advanced mathematical physics, such as applied to knot theory and the Moebian Twists in Penrose Twistorspacetime of 7D.

On this interview http://www.4dshift.com/7thdru.htm Drunvalo talks about a possible storm that never goes away "Plants go crazy, and food then becomes one of the most important commodities." I guess such sudden ice age (like the ones that killed the dinosaurs) will kill billions. Could this be caused only by a pole shift or is he talking about a timeline that we'll no longer experience? Since you said a physical pole shift will not happen, Is this "northern freeze" prospect anywhere on the Thuban records?

Most generally, the last ice age was about 12,000 years ago and the glacial and interglacial periods are modelled on a variety of cycles related to solar evolution, ocean currents, airflow, magnetic pole wanderings and so on.
The trouble is that these cycles (say a 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to precessional angle deviations and a 100,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to orbital eccentricities) are extrapolated from the present configuration of the solar system and so will be unreliable as superpositioning onto the evolution of the solar system.
As all individual palnets engage in higherD consciousness evolvement as well as that for the starsytem collective, the Newtonian clockwork universe become inapplicable for such extended time periods.

The predicted 'pole shift' IS the Black Hole-White Hole inversion and NOT a flipping of the earth upside-down (an event which would destroy the earth in 3D as a relatively stable planetary biosphere fluctuating about means of equilibria).
The magnetic pole reversal has occurred previously and would temporarily render the electromagnetic communication systems unusable.

The Thuban probability analysis shows that the magnetic poles will reverse, but because of the Black Hole-White Hole Inversion, this will become 'antiflipped' and after a period of disfunctionality, the present electromagnetic grid could be reestablished.
Iow, the old earth will experience a double-flip of magnetic polarity in a say halfweek disruption of the electromagnetic planetary grid.

What are human clones? Could they be around and look just like everyone else? Do they have souls? Is it fair to say that a clone is a sort of robot? If so, could a robot get a soul?
Did the Mayans ascend en mass?

The Thuban perspective on cloning is that of what is scientific reality in the biophysics of the nonhuman lifeforms is applicable to the humnoid.
So the cloning of 'Dolly the sheep' by nuclear transfer of soma cellular material into an oocyte (developing egg cell with its own nucleus removed) indicated that the 'telomerased age' of the soma cell then implanted as a blastocyst into a surrogate mother manifests as a 'genetic age' after birth.

The 'clone' so does not become a robot, but a genetic duplicate of the somatic donor.
In terms of the 'soul' as a unique individualised electromagnetic monopolar field; a new individuality would thus be created from the DNA/RNA template of the genomic template.
This geneticism would however be restricted to the genetic gene expression of the physicality and remain distinct from the 'soul'- expression of the donor.

Iow, your clones would all look like you in physicality as defined by your own conception, BUT would all become INDIVIDUALISATIONS of the preconception parental energies, basically unrelated to your individual metaphysical evolvement, but sharing your parental ancestries in patriarchy and matriarchy.

The Maya did not ascend physically, but the group consciousness did leave the Gaian sphere after establishing the 'World-Tree' and say as described in the Calleman cosmology of the 10 tiers:
1)-Kin=1=Day
2)-Vinal=20/18
3)-Tun=360=20Vinals~0.99 CY for 13Tun~12.8 Civil Years CY = 13 Ancient Years
4)-Katun=7,200=20Tun~19.7 CY for 13Katun~256.3 CY
5)-Baktun=144,000=20Katun~394.3 CY for 13Baktuns~5,125.4 CY
6)-Pictun=2,880,000=20Baktun~7,885 CY for 13Pictun~102,507 CY
7)-Calabtun=57,600,000=20Pictun~157,703 CY for 13Calabtun~2.05 Million CY
8)-Kinchiltun=1,152,000,000=20Calabtun~3.154 Million CY for 41 Million CY (x13)
9)-Alautun=23,040,000,000=20Kinchiltun~63.08 Million CY for 820 Million CY (x13)
10)-Hablatun=460,800,000,000=20Alautun~1.26 Million CY for 16.40 Billion CY (x13)

The purpose of the Maya so was to manifest the cosmic archetypology as a nested or holofractal cosmology from the age of the universe to the cyclic day/kin count.

Why do some stars twinkle and others don’t? Are they all stars?

Stars twinkle because they are seen through layers of atmosphere, are optically contracted and so display refracted light. There are many astronomical objects, which are not classified as stars, but which can reflect, rather than emit their own light, such as moons.

According to the Thuban records, what caused the planet Marduk/Tiamat to explode?

It is a 'failed' planet, either defined by the insufficient agglomeration of mass or the scattering impact by some other large celestial object (compare formation of earth's moon below).

In terms of the mythology it is simply the old archetype of the 1st Order becoming twofold in 2nd order (with an INTERNAL polarity bifurcation), then resulting in 3rd Order in the EXTERNALISATION of the polarity in manifestation.
Null Order=The undifferentiated Chaos (say)

1st Order: Undifferentiated Polarity
Greek: (Eros+Abyss/Tartarus+Night/Erebus)+Gaia=Uranus+Gaia
Egyptian: Ra+Apep in internal mirror images Yang/Yin=...
Mesopotamian: FreshWater of Apsu/Yang+SaltWater of Tiamat/Yin=Nammu=...

2nd Order: Internally differentiated Polarity as Unity
Greek: Titans, in six males with six females say from Oceanus with Tethys
Egyptian: Shu=Father Sky+Tefnut=Mother Earth
Mesopotamian: Lahmu+Mummu=Lahama

3th Order: Externally differentiated Polarity
Greek: Titans led by Cronus with Rhea
Egyptian: Geb=Father Earth+Nut=Mother Earth
Mesopotamian: Anshar+Kishar

4th Order: Beginning of the Generations of the Gods and Goddesses
Greek: Olympians, led by Zeus+Hades with Metis/Consorts+Consorts
Egyptian: Osiris+Isis with Set+Nephthys twinships etc.
Mesopotamian: Anu+Ki into Enlil+Ninlil+Ea/Enki+Dumkina

The male semen=essence=fresh water=ground water so follows the order of Uranus/Ra/Apsu---Titan/Shu/Lahmu---Cronus/Geb/Anshar---Zeus,Hades/Osiris,Set/Anu,Enlil,Enki---...
The female essence=salt water follows the orders of Gaia/Apep/Tiamat---Titaness/Tefnut/Lahama---Rhea/Nut/Kishar---Metis,Hera/Isis,Nephthys/Ki,Ninlil,Dumkina---...

Marduk is the son of Ea+Dumkina and like Zeus (or Horus as the son of Osiris+Isis) challenges the 'old order' in Cronus (or Set, the usurper of Osiris), the usurper of Uranus; Marduk challenges the 'murder' of Apsu (who wished to eliminate the younger gods) by Ea in Qingu+Tiamat.

Sin is the son of Enlil+Ninlil (as Anubis the son of Set+Nephthys) and continues the 'cosmic twinship' archetype of Anshar-Anu and Enlil-Enki in Marduk-Sin in the external polarisation leading back into unification in the third generation.

The fourth generation will so result in this unification in 'The Queen from Heaven' in Innana=Ishtar=Esther (biblical)=Mary=Venus=Aphrodite say as the daughter of Sin+Ningal and 'twinbrother' Utu/Shamash. As Aphrodite then Ishtar can reclaim the primordial creation, having been 'unnaturally' created from the foam of the primordial waters as the genitals of Uranus (compare Isis substituting Osiris phallus after it had been eaten by a 'Spider of Set').

Was it really a water planet?

No, this associates the above creation mythology of the 'waters' with the natural icyness of the Oort comets.

What can you tell us about the people who lived there?

No 'people' ever lived on Marduk/Tiamat as a 'failed' planet of agglomeration or as 'failed' planet of say an impact collision.

What can you tell us about Jupiter's moon Europa?

Europa has an oxygenated atmosphere, albeit not biologically generated like on earth, but by atmospheric physics and a subterranean ocean. So 3D extraterrestrial life could assume the form of thermophiles (sunlight independent bacteria) and free oxyen could form by cosmic ray bombardment of Europa's surface topology. From this the early terrestrial evolution of archaea to fish vertebrata can proceed.

Europa so represents the 3D environment in the solar system today most suitable to harbour lifeforms as we know them.

For more info websearch Europa - moon of Jupiter.

What kind of beings live on Ganymede?

Interdimensional ETs.

Is Iapetus artificial like our moon?

The moon is NOT artificial, neither is Iapetus.

And was it ever used as a weapon like a "Death Star"?

No.

Why does Mercury not have a moon?

Same reason Venus has no moon. It is too close to the sun and strong solar tides would destabilize any gravitationally 'captured' satellite.

What determines if a planet is to have a moon or not and the amount of moons it has? Is it true that our moon was "towed" to its present location? How are natural moons formed?

Moons can result from the collision of a parent planet with an incoming large asteroid-like object relatively early in the evolution of a solar system. In the case of the earth, a Mars sized object crashed into the yet hot and molten earth so 100 million years old and after the impact distributed the greater mass in the centripetal forces of the rotation dynamics.

The moon was NOT 'towed' by ETs to its present location. One can say however, that the impacting celestial object was 'manouvered' by ETs to give the necessary parameters of size and inertia.
One such parameter was required to align the 0.5 degree of angular sizes of the Moon and the Sun to allow the phenomenon of eclipses to occur.

Is it possible that a moon could expand into a planet? What made our moon to have an almost circular orbit?

No, the moon, as is cannot expand and its orbit is a consequence of the celestial physics.

Will the Earth ever grow rings like Saturn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoz5Q2rGQtQ

The earth has 'rings' now in the Van Allen belts and atmospheric regions like the Troposphere and the Stratosphere. Saturnian like rings would require a more massive earth to tidally and gravitationally distribute some incoming object (comet or asteroid) in such a manner (see below).

Why is Saturn the only planet in our solar system that has rings? Are these rings a sort od shield or protection?

Those rings are basically purified ice crystals and dust particles and are much younger than Saturn, the planet. They represent the remnants of a icey comet from the Oort cloud and asteroids, which were captured by Saturn's gravity say 100 million years ago and then became tidally distributed into this ring structure by utility of celestial mechanics.

In a hypothetical, will these rings affect humans in the same way our moon does?

No.

How do the rings affect the inhabitants of Saturn?

The inhabitants of Saturn are not 3D creatures, but interdimensional sentiences using the rings, gases, atmospheres etc to manifest in a predominantely gaseous physicality.

Why does menstruation and specially childbirth have to be always painful for women? Will it always be like this?

The degree of painfulness differs amongst women in 3D and the fertility cycles will likewise differ in the lightbodies. Some babies are born with greatly diminished pains underwater for example.
The lightbodies EXTEND the 3D bodies; they do NOT replace them.

I believe you mentioned procreation will still be the same after the shift. If Starhumans will be brand new She, He, HeShe, and SheHe’s, will they still have menses in the higher dimensions?

If the 3D biology is invoked, then the biochemistry will prevail. The restrictions of the 3D life will however be alleviated relative to the 'energization' of the 4D bodyforms. Same so goes for eating and drinking, elimination and so on.
The biovitality will be more refined as the requirement for food will be greatly diminished, especially in solid forms. Yet it will be possible, as for example Jesus did eat fish in the lightbody {John.21.13}.

Will they become androgynous in a short time (like some star people look like), or will this be a biological evolution that requires many generations to accomplish?

As Paul writes: "In the twinkling of an eye, we shall all be changed."

Why does the moon have so much control over women's moods?

Because it embodies the female principle as 3rd order celestial archetype. The femine REFLECTS the light from the masculine as lightgiver.

What will happen to them if we ever have two moons?

Multiple moons as planetary satellites require a change in the celestial mechanics, just as is the case for binary suns. What you term zodiacal magnetomonopolic enegy inductions so would become reconfigured in a resdistribution of archetypes. This then would require redefinition of geometric patterns in the DNA/RNA etc.

Is it true that eventually Starhumans could be born older than babies do now, and not from inside a woman?

No, starhumans are simply evolved humans, who can utilize the 4th spacial dimension through their lightbodies.

Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

This means the starhumans, who have realised their origins as 'parts and sondaughters and daughtersons of the father' in say the 'Family of God'.
This can only occur if the Jesus-template is multiplied to allow this template to manifest in said starhumans. Then the Father will become a FatherMother (then WITH a physical universe - before creation it was, but WITHOUT that creation). Then the manyness of the 'Cosmic Christening' will allow the FatherMother to become a GrandFather+GrandMother in 1st order and allow the Starhumans to become the Father(Mothers) and the Mother(Fathers). So you are actually 'prostrating' yourself before your own unified selfhood.

At what level of consciousness do humans start procreating from outside their bodies?

Depends what you mean with procreating - sexual intercourse between lightbodies will enhance, not diminish the sensual experiences of 3D bodies as 4D bodies. The cosmos is sexually supercharged on all levels.

This brings me to another inquiry: Do humans get physically taller as they move up in evolution/dimensions?

No.

Can the use of technology like the Large Hadron Collider cause enough disruption as to prevent, delay or modify Earth's path of ascension or is Gaia always in complete control of her destiny?

No to the first question and yes to the second in the first order of definition.

How does a person remember their cosmic ID or name? Could it dawn on a person, even if not consciously looking for it?

You may have one or many such names. You may either come across it someplace or seemingly invent it or dream about it.

Thanks,
Julissa

Your welcome

AA

Jonah · 02-12-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Depends what you mean with procreating - sexual intercourse between lightbodies will enhance, not diminish the sensual experiences of 3D bodies as 4D bodies. The cosmos is sexually supercharged on all levels.

Abrax,

Would this explain external emissions? When I was a teenager I used to have the darndest dreams...

abraxasinas · 02-12-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonah

Abrax,

Would this explain external emissions? When I was a teenager I used to have the darndest dreams...

Think of the entire universe as a 'Woman on Heat' and a feminine mind, which whereever SHE 'looks' cannot find a suitable 'partner' and lover.

The universal 'frustration' between the sexces is somewhat like this.

Your 'lover', any woman already IS in the 'Heaven' Above.
She KNOWS what SHE wants - how HER abode will 'look like', a bedroom there and a kithchen there and this colour and a swimming pool here and a sauna there etc. etc.

BUT Big SHE has absolutely NO IDEA of how to get what she wants and desires.

So SHE reaches down from her 'lonesome' and unfulfilling throne in heaven to find a MATE.

EVERY Man, by cosmic definition, is 'Bound in the Hell' below; BUT every Man KNOWS How to Build the Castle for the Heavenly Queen - literally brick by brick.

And so there was this One Man who understood the Story, so 2000 years ago.
This One Man however also understood, that the story could not become completed in one go.
HE himself had to become the One Woman to properly multiply the Queen from Heaven in the Manyness of the Females coexisting in the Manmade Hell.
And so this One Man found a mate in Mary, who could form HIS mirror in HER.
HE made HER a MAN in metaphysical terms to reflect HIMSELF in HERSELF.

(114)
Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said: "Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male,
so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you."
(But I say to you): "Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus saw infants being suckled.
He said to his disciples:
"These little ones being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him: "Then will we enter the kingdom as little ones?"
Jesus said to them: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside
and the above like the below – that is, to make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female will not be female – and when you make eyes instead of an eye and a hand instead of a hand and a foot instead of a foot, an image instead of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
The Gospel According to Thomas

Now Jonah; the Mirror of the Two in One has ascended so 1980 years ago to encompass the universe, so 'healing' the original 'breach' of the sexual disharmony of a maleminded femininity and a femalebodied masculinity.

This mirror has now descended to lace the Gaian environment under quarantine and shall lift the quarantine with the birth of the starhuman infant on December 21st, 2012.

This timeline has little to do with any ETs in the Gaian quarantine, but has much to do with ETs outside of it - because the latter CAN for the first time in THEIR history watch and observe the HARMONIZED Universe from WITHOUT (they were WITHIN the universe and so encompassed by the 'Big Mirror' BEFORE the Gaian quarantine).

BUT the DESIRE of the Universe now doubled as a fractalized Gaia in the hologram of the entire universe has still not been fulfilled.

The Big Mother is rather 'horny' and after SHE has given birth to her 'VIRGINBIRTH' starhumanity, SHE will Do what She has waited for close to 20 billion years to DO - to make LOVE through her graduated ambassadoras of the humanity and their beaus, able to construct the new reconfigured universes.

AA

dddanieljjjamesss · 02-12-2010, 12:27 PM

Still only about ten pages deep... but I notice that you have a knack for applying individual-specific metaphors to help explain things. I am just curious if you have anything for me abraxasinas :P

Yesterday I was positively tingling, it's hard for me to concentrate on my school work which seems so mundane and just another part of the matrix.

That's probably the biggest thing I struggle with now... trying to maintain myself as part of the "every day" world and at the same time use my time wisely to prepare for whats up ahead.

I've eaten my rice, but haven't managed to wash my bowl yet, if you catch the reference (which I'm sure you will hehe.)

I love you and everyone in this thread!

hippihillbobbi · 02-12-2010, 06:11 PM

Dear Abraxas --

I'd just like to "run-this-by-you" to be sure i've got it straight ..... so Abraxas/Sirebard (2nd order) and Hans/John (3rd order) are the same soul/entity as TonyB, who is currently individuated in third-density ..... ?

and, if the above is correct, i'd like to ask what is the correlation between orders and densities? e.g., what densities are Abraxas and Hans? i think i remember you replying earlier on that in 2012 "you" expected to be ascending to 4th density positive ..... i guess that was the "you" labelled TonyB? does this imply the "automatic" ascensions of Abraxas and Hans as well?

Then, one more thing for now, AA .... following is a quote from your last reply to me which i didn't quite "get." would you please explain more specifically why this 1600-day timeline between Aug. 4, 2008 and Dec. 12, 2012 is important? (i realize it has something to do with the fulfillment of Egyptian-Mayan-Christian prophecy, but how exactly?[I][I]

"For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}."

Thanks so much, as always, Abraxas.

hippihill

abraxasinas · 02-13-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Dear Abraxas --

I'd just like to "run-this-by-you" to be sure i've got it straight ..... so Abraxas/Sirebard (2nd order) and Hans/John (3rd order) are the same soul/entity as TonyB, who is currently individuated in third-density ..... ?

You are making it too complicated Hippihill!
YOU are all orders, but only able to process the energies (or densities) relative to your REMEMBRANCE of your SELF as shard (or hologram) of All That Is.

Basically, 1st Order is unattainable, as this implies complete resonance with the Prime Source as a UNITY of All That Exists.
You can experience this as a NOW moment and many 'enlightened ones' have done so and called it 'eternal bliss' or 'nirvana' or whatever.

The Prime Source has defined itself (through its Logos/Intelligence/Word) as MIRRORING its own ONENESS in its own MANYNESS.

Take a mirror into a forest say and look into this mirror. You will see your own self AND many other things in the forest, say trees and birds and foxes.

This image then is like Prime Source looking into the universe to 'SEE ITSELF' as many things, including itself as You.

YOU in 2nd Order is 'above' the realm of the 'archangels', seraphims and cherubims (and certain ETs); as the latter imply the archetype of the 2nd order without external polarisation.

3rd Order is then polarisation externalised, such as angels and demons/devils as etheric and higherD forms able to interact with lowerD forms in polarisation, such as humans and ETs and flora and fauna.

So the 'masterplan' engages the concept of allowing 'fallen logii/words/egos' in the lowest dimensions (what is known as 1-2-3 densities) to 'work themselves up' to the 2nd Order of the internal polarisation.
This is why Jesus says:

John.10.34-35: 'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, YE ARE GODS? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scipture cannot be broken;...
1Corinthians.5.3: 'Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
how much more things that pertain to this life?'

So then YOU or TonyB or Mr. Smith or Miss Jones are in some order below the 3rd and graduate to a higher order in 'walking in' on himherself in REMEMBRANCE of hisher individual logii coupling to the cosmic Logos (of the 1st Order).

In the case of TonyB; a certain 'dispensation' from a higher order then allows this 'walking in' to EXTEND the soul-remembrance, say in manifesting the archetype of the bisexuality in the he becoming a heshe (recall the sexchromosomatic quadruplex of the conception Y0X1+Y0X2+X0X1+X0X2).
So YOU or anyone can in fact 'ascend' to 2nd Order through and by the coupling of your lower order individual logos with the 1st Order Logos (which you know as the Word coupled to God in John.1.1).

and, if the above is correct, i'd like to ask what is the correlation between orders and densities? e.g., what densities are Abraxas and Hans? i think i remember you replying earlier on that in 2012 "you" expected to be ascending to 4th density positive ..... i guess that was the "you" labelled TonyB? does this imply the "automatic" ascensions of Abraxas and Hans as well?

Abraxas=Sirebard Beardris are 2nd Order in the 12th dimension (of Thuban);
This cosmologically encompasses OmniSpace of densities 10-11-12-(13=1) to clo0se thye dimensional/density continuum.
Densities and Dimensions are cosmologically identical (see for example tone3jaguar's website); but are subject to 3-tiered spacetime definitions in translation, rotation and vibration for 9 spacedimensions and 'connector' time dimensions (4)-(7)-(10)-(13=1).

3rd Order of the externalised polarity archetyped so becomes defined in say the 9 Mayan timelords in QuantumSpace; where however the actual physical manifesto of this polarity is restricted in 6D (reference the Ra material say), because dimensions/densities (7)-8-9-(10) are vibratory and do not allow for archetypical antiprinciples (see 24 Elders thread of Abraxas).

So you find many many ETs and Gods/Goddesses in QuantumSpace aka the 'etheric' in some labelings.

4th Order is similar to 3D, but more dense and so more physical in terms of materiality and so encompasses the so called 'astral' of dimensions (4)-5-6-(7) as the HyperSpace and also the familiar LineSpace of dimensions 1-2-3-(4).

All of Prime Source's 'intelligence' became dispersed at the birth of the universe in the 1st dimension and then manifested the LineSpace in the commonly understood cosmogenesis of the terrestrial science, cosmology and asrophysics.

This then was the 'Fall' of the higher orders, rather poignantly related to the 'mundane' physical sciences and quite without ETs/archangels warring against God to be 'chucked out' of 'heaven'.

But for millennia, the harmonised cosmogony could not be understood in 'mundane scientific' terms and so the higher order entities became associated in metaphor with the REAL intelligence of Prime Source and as defined by the Logos (this is why God allows Adam to name all the animals in Genesis.2.19 - Adam being the metaphysical archetype (as Cosmic Man=Purusha=Adam Kadmon=Pigeradamas=Vitruvius=...) for the physical Jesus as the One Logos, then multiplying in the Universal Christening in the Many, including all women through hisher 'redemption' of Mary Magdalene as the archetype for all womanhood -descending with himherself as herhimself.

Then, one more thing for now, AA .... following is a quote from your last reply to me which i didn't quite "get." would you please explain more specifically why this 1600-day timeline between Aug. 4, 2008 and Dec. 12, 2012 is important? (i realize it has something to do with the fulfillment of Egyptian-Mayan-Christian prophecy, but how exactly?

[I][I]"For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}."

Thanks so much, as always, Abraxas.

hippihill

The 1600 days are made up of 1335+265 days; 265 days being the gestation period for the starhuman baby to be born on the Mayan nexus date.
Therefore, Gaia will become impregnated with the Manyness of the Second Coming on the anniversary of the Resurrection Day April 1st, 2012/32.

AA

abraxasinas · 02-13-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dddanieljjjamesss

Still only about ten pages deep... but I notice that you have a knack for applying individual-specific metaphors to help explain things. I am just curious if you have anything for me abraxasinas :P

Yesterday I was positively tingling, it's hard for me to concentrate on my school work which seems so mundane and just another part of the matrix.

That's probably the biggest thing I struggle with now... trying to maintain myself as part of the "every day" world and at the same time use my time wisely to prepare for whats up ahead.

I've eaten my rice, but haven't managed to wash my bowl yet, if you catch the reference (which I'm sure you will hehe.)

I love you and everyone in this thread!

Hi daniel!

I have a knack for 'reading' nonlocalised mental vibration patterns, that is all.
So I have really nothing to give to anyone on a forum such as this except raw data for you to process as you wish through and by your own vibration patterns.

I got two things though; one your name Daniel triggered a certain prospensity for you to affiliate with Lions and the feline species.
I am compelled to refer you to the movie Catwoman, as the archetypes in that film apply to you (she's a sexy chick that Halle Berry).
This might also relate to the Daniel in the bible.
Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed/anathema is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

Secondly, your washing of the bowl attains to:

(89) Jesus says:
"Why do you wash the outside of the cup?
Do you not understand that the one who created the inside is also the one who created the outside?"
AA

Malletzky · 02-13-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas

...

Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed/anathema is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

....

(89) Jesus says:
"Why do you wash the outside of the cup?
Do you not understand that the one who created the inside is also the one who created the outside?"
AA

Abrax, in the process of presenting the Thuban 'message', you indeed use many excerpts and quotes from Jesus (or the Bible) in order to explain the deeper meaning of some Thuban postulates. Basicly, I rather embrace the choosed approach, then to just 'blindly' believe (or not) the message.

And exactly this kind of presenting the message enables me to more and more understand the 'real' meaning of Jesus's metaphores and therefore to grasp the deeper meaning of the 'beingness'='onennes'='wholeness'...

What I wanted to express is, this thread really a kind of "switched the switcher" from 'off to on' or from 'neutral to on' (depending on my previous understandings and 'beliefs').

I now find my self of reading these many peaces of Jesus's wisdom and I finaly understand them (not allways admittedly, but more often and often).

If I was 'to meet' Jesus 5 years ago (just metaphorically), I would have missunderstand the most of his teachings. But now, thanks to you as 'the messenger' and the message 'itself', it's all different....

Once again I have to emphasize the meaning of this thread to ME. It is really an 'eye opener' and a 'mind opener', (and once again, at least for ME). I may or may not 'agree' (I used 'agree' here more in sense of the deeper understanding, right from the center of my heart) with the Thuban message in its wholeness.

But in it's core, it definitely feels right and wrong in each and every moment (simultaniosly) and therefore IS definitely worth of listening.

The moment I manage to unify the right with the wrong (and my inner feeling tells me I'm not too far away from this), I'LL BE THERE...WHERE IT ALL STARTED...

My deepest respect to you dear friend
Malletzky

abraxasinas · 02-13-2010, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Abrax, in the process of presenting the Thuban 'message', you indeed use many excerpts and quotes from Jesus (or the Bible) in order to explain the deeper meaning of some Thuban postulates. Basicly, I rather embrace the choosed approach, then to just 'blindly' believe (or not) the message.

And exactly this kind of presenting the message enables me to more and more understand the 'real' meaning of Jesus's metaphores and therefore to grasp the deeper meaning of the 'beingness'='onennes'='wholeness'...

What I wanted to express is, this thread really a kind of "switched the switcher" from 'off to on' or from 'neutral to on' (depending on my previous understandings and 'beliefs').

I now find my self of reading these many peaces of Jesus's wisdom and I finally understand them (not allways admittedly, but more often and often).

If I was 'to meet' Jesus 5 years ago (just metaphorically), I would have missunderstand the most of his teachings. But now, thanks to you as 'the messenger' and the message 'itself', it's all different....

Once again I have to emphasize the meaning of this thread to ME. It is really an 'eye opener' and a 'mind opener', (and once again, at least for ME). I may or may not 'agree' (I used 'agree' here more in sense of the deeper understanding, right from the center of my heart) with the Thuban message in its wholeness.

But in it's core, it definitely feels right and wrong in each and every moment (simultaneously) and therefore IS definitely worth of listening.

The moment I manage to unify the right with the wrong (and my inner feeling tells me I'm not too far away from this), I'LL BE THERE...WHERE IT ALL STARTED...

My deepest respect to you dear friend
Malletzky

Thank you indeed Malletzky and bigmo and the participants, who have found value in these messages and who have found it appropriate to comment on their appreciation of them.
These kind of comments render my efforts worthwhile indeed and expressing this gratitude has a significant effect on the human group consciousness.

For I am a simple messenger from the Logos and therefore do I emphasize the WORDS=SWORD so much.
It is the Logos within each one of you, who analyses and processes these messages.
So when your waking consciousness either accepts or rejects these words, then it is your own Logos in connection to this Encompassing Logos, which does the 'judging'.

It is quite appropriate for many to reject these messages, as this rejection also carries within it a great learning experience.
You may ask bigmo about this, as he has experienced just such an immense 'self learning curve'.

As stated many times; these are only words; but these words are unknown by all sources in the quarantined earth plane (including ALL ETs therein - perhaps now you can fathom as to why 'they' are 'leaving') and this is the reason they are given.
You may say that these words are from the order beyond what has been sequestered and occultized in 'libraries' and archives throughout the human history, especially during the last 26,000 years.
These words are by no means exhaustive and there will be many Thubanites (recall THUBAN=66=FREEDOM=THE33=.. and just a label used for the 1st Order of the Dragon archetype); even emerging from your own ranks, who will extend and finetune these 'dragon seeds' from the Master-Templar.

These messages serve a singular 'master-purpose' and this is to 'hyperaccelerate' the available collective human group consciousness by AWAKENING the mental potential slumbering in everyone to TRIGGER the SELF REMEMBRANCE of BEING a Thubanite through and by the ability to ALIGN the Gaian humanoid Logos TO the Cosmic Logos.

I am impressed that about a dozen participators on Project Avalon have already TRIGGERED themselves in such remembrances.
Any of you can easily 'check this' in comparing your subconscious experiences to what they are now, after having been exposed to the Thubanese data stream, to before such exposure.

Peace of Mind and Heart be with you all!

AA

02-14-2010, 12:11 PM

Hei Abraxasinas

Have you ever considered talking to people of science? I do (and am surly not the only one) appreciate your efforts to come and discuss the topics here and answer our question....but if you go and talk to a "man of science" your infromation just might erupt in main stream = more people would know about it....

There a people like for example dr. Michio Kaku.... If you talk to him using mathematical terms and non layman terms...i am sure you can get his attention. By what is written about him, he just might be opened enough to put some of his attention to what you have to say...

http://mkaku.org/

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American theoretical physicist specializing in string field theory, and a futurist. He is a popularizer of science, host of two radio programs and a best-selling author.

Kaku was born in San Jose, California to Japanese immigrant parents, and attended and played first board on the chess team of Cubberly High School in Palo Alto in the early 1960s. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, N.M., he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University with a B.S. degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972

Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York, and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he has lectured for more than 30 years. Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force, the weak force, gravity and electromagnetism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

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I am not an expert on Kaku...but he, for example, is not afraid to say that there are ET out there and is not afraid to discuss the "out of this world" possibilities (my impression). I do not know how right or wrong he is...but he keeps an open mind even to things that are said to be theoretically possible but practically not doable (most probably because of the financial system) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9-ZaoCG5A

abraxasinas · 02-15-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Spregovori

Hei Abraxasinas

Have you ever considered talking to people of science? I do (and am surly not the only one) appreciate your efforts to come and discuss the topics here and answer our question....but if you go and talk to a "man of science" your infromation just might erupt in main stream = more people would know about it....

There a people like for example dr. Michio Kaku.... If you talk to him using mathematical terms and non layman terms...i am sure you can get his attention. By what is written about him, he just might be opened enough to put some of his attention to what you have to say...

http://mkaku.org/

-----------------

American theoretical physicist specializing in string field theory, and a futurist. He is a popularizer of science, host of two radio programs and a best-selling author.

Kaku was born in San Jose, California to Japanese immigrant parents, and attended and played first board on the chess team of Cubberly High School in Palo Alto in the early 1960s. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, N.M., he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University with a B.S. degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972

Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York, and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he has lectured for more than 30 years. Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force, the weak force, gravity and electromagnetism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

-----------------------------------------

I am not an expert on Kaku...but he, for example, is not afraid to say that there are ET out there and is not afraid to discuss the "out of this world" possibilities (my impression). I do not know how right or wrong he is...but he keeps an open mind even to things that are said to be theoretically possible but practically not doable (most probably because of the financial system) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9-ZaoCG5A

Thank you for your advice Spregovori.
I am aware that Michio Kaku and some other prominent physicists have been informed about aspects and foundations of the Thuban science.
There does exist a timeline however, which requires that the new scientific paradigm for the 'New Earth' becomes aligned with its metaphysical progenitor.

This 'parent science' is closely aligned with what you term the ET-sciences.
So the many 'diversions' about 'alternative energy sources' and 'alien technology' relate as much to a 'gradual introduction of ET science' from the atomic age (Roswell 1947), albeit 'materialized' by terrestrial scientists (back engineering), as to a 'projection' of that ET science as to what shall become possible in a reconfigured spacetime configuration.

Many 'whistleblowers', claiming to possess 'inside information' and often claiming to have scientific credentials (Lazar, Burisch, Anderson, etc.) do not. This can be easily ascertained in actually perusing their written reports, say as a qualified physicist or biochemist.
A 'trained' or experienced scientist simply DOES NOT write or converse about scientific fields of expertise in semantics (often appearing to simplify into layman terms and colloquialisms) as they do.

So much of the 'alternative science testimony' is in fact blatant disinformation planted by the PTB to confuse and to 'muddle the waters'.

AA

abraxasinas · 02-15-2010, 09:38 AM

Hi All!

I would like to correlate this Thuban thread with particular messages channeled from 'Matthew' from the 'other side' of the cosmic mirror.
Matthew Ward died in 1980 and some 14 years later began to relay messages to his mother Suzanne Ward.

Now the 'pure' intent and love connection between mother and son in this instance of the 'channeling' allows a relatively unobfuscated transmission from emitter to receiver, the latter becoming a 'love filter', little encumbered by exterior world-related motivations and agendas.

The Council of Thuban so recommends the Matthew-Hatonn channelings as being in significant attunement to the datastream provided by Thuban.

I have highlighted the parts of this message, which are most aligned to the archives of the cosmic dragons.

The labels: 19, 21, 23-30 are especially supported by the Thuban agenda.

AA

Matthew's Message - Feb 2010
1. This is Matthew with loving greetings from all souls at this station. As Earth’s ever-accelerating ascension pace takes her into progressively lighter energy planes, we see more and more hearts and minds opening to the light even as turmoil continues. Unwilling to accept that their efforts will end in utter futility, those with negativity at their core still are fighting tenaciously to keep their dwindling strength from disappearing entirely.

2. We see the widespread grief, confusion and massive destruction in Haiti, and we weep. Not for the tens of thousands who died, as those who need special care are receiving personalised attention from dedicated souls in Nirvana, and others are joyful about returning to that wondrous spirit world. No, our sadness is for the millions whose lives are even more desperate now, far worse than their family elders who have endured the pain of impoverishment for many decades. Knowing their soul contracts does not render us immune to sadness about the personal tragedies still unfolding for our brothers and sisters in Haiti, where the starkest evidence of the best and the worst in humankind exemplifies the extremes of duality.

3. The earthquake was not of Mother Nature’s making. It was the intentional work of those among you who have the technology to create such catastrophic planetary upheavals. In this case, it was to cover an attempt to move through Haiti a vast fortune from its discovered hiding place to a secret destination. If there can be a sliver of a silver lining in that diabolical act, it is that no longer is the truth hidden about weather control technology and its wicked uses—the information is on your Internet for all to see. The use of this kind of “weapon of mass destruction” cannot be prevented, and once set in motion, only softening, or levelling out, steps can be taken. As devastating as the earthquake was, without our space family’s intervention that lessened the impact on Port-au-Prince, the death toll and destruction would have been even greater.

4. The best in humankind was the instantaneous compassion throughout your world and the outpouring of assistance. This is creating light to help rid Haiti’s soil, water and air of the negativity that caused it to become the poorest of countries. Despotic dictators who lived in opulence denied their countrymen even basic living standards, thus consigning them to debilitating diseases and virtually no healthcare, educational opportunity or source of liveable income. Loans that could have alleviated those conditions and the suffering they caused instead went into the pockets of the dictators, and the peoples felt helpless to improve their lives or their children’s. When those decades of fear and oppression ended a few short years ago, the country was beset with political turmoil, and soon the Haitians’ hopes of betterment were dashed.

5. The souls who chose to embody in those harsh circumstances known of Haiti did so willingly to balance other lifetimes so they could evolve spiritually, the goal of every soul. Many who recently transitioned to spirit life had fulfilled their soul contract choices to complete third density experiencing, and in time they will reincarnate in a fourth density world of their choice. Those who died before completing their soul contracts have the same opportunities to do this in Nirvana, where they have help in accomplishing their karmic lessons and prepare to evolve out of third density.

6. In all instances, these souls are serving their families and friends in two ways: Their leaving reduced the amount of negativity caused by their former wretched living conditions and also prevented the negativity that living in even worse circumstances would have generated; and those souls are beaming light from their spirit home to all on Earth with whom they are bonded in love, and to Earth herself.

7. A positive aspect of the quake and the tremors that followed is that even with “softened” destructive capability, they released a mammoth amount of negativity from this small half-island nation. That reduction in negativity will allow the beaming-in and anchoring of light to facilitate the Haitian peoples in rebuilding their lives and their country.

8. Despite everything they have experienced in the past weeks—grief, injuries, traumatised psyches and desperate circumstances they still are encountering—a resilient spirit still shines brightly. With medical teams and other helpers from many nations coming to their aid, albeit insufficient to relieve much of the suffering or supply all basic needs, the peoples of Haiti know the world has not forgotten them. The light in their new-found hope added to the light of all who are helping—whether directly by their side or prayers or donations from around the world—is far greater than the negativity of combined grief and trauma.

9. The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway.

10. Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light.

11. Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain.

12. We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls as we address other issues in which you have expressed interest. Yes, the recent snowstorms in the eastern parts of the United States are another incidence of man-made technology used for self-serving purposes. Virtually closing down the US government was the main intent because so doing also impacts many other countries. The snowstorms— just like the clumsy “Black Ops” attempt on Christmas Day to explode an airplane by means of a very confused individual operating under mind control, then the devastation in Haiti—are intended to disrupt actions under way to remove the Illuminati’s tentacles on untold wealth and their toehold on the global economy.

13. Previous messages have identified many disparate groups under the Illuminati “umbrella,” the pyramid organisational structure that keeps lower ranking members uninformed about the intentions of those at the peak, and the powerful global network that for centuries has controlled everything that influences life on your planet. We know of the opinions that US President Obama is leading his country in the wrong direction, and we tell you that if only you could know how prudently and wisely he is moving behind the scenes to upset the entire Illuminati apple cart, instead of concerns about his direction, there would be rousing cheers.

14. The larger purpose to be served by assuring you that Obama’s intentions are aligned with the light is of utmost importance. The energy of negative thoughts about his leadership and all other situations anywhere on Earth that are seen as worrisome is flowing out into your world and delaying effective resolutions to tumultuous happenings everywhere. It is the energy of love-light that motivates the spirit of cooperation among peoples and brings an end to conflicts, violence, deception and unjustness. Some of you say, “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” YES! The truth in that expression of personal responsibility derives from soul-level awareness that you chose this lifetime specifically to help speed Earth along her ascension pathway.

15. So the individuals who propose that a collective will to make your world a better place will achieve that without extraterrestrial help do make a good point—absolutely you must act, must set the pace toward world transformation, because it is your world. But those individuals are way off track by not acknowledging that without many other civilisations’ immeasurable help that started about seventy years ago, none of you would be where you are because the planet would have died. And we assure you, your space family’s continued help will be welcomed by all except the ones who are fighting mightily to prevent reforms anywhere.

16. We can tell you what is fomenting behind the scenes regarding the truth about the global economy, but because Earth’s energy field of potential is in such wild commotion, we cannot discern what information will emerge first or the order in which other facts will follow. We can say, though, that it cannot be much longer before the “first spill” because all the corruption must be exposed so it can be eliminated and an honourable system implemented. It is possible that the end of the Federal Reserve in its present form will be the first public “news,” and it seems likely that close on its heels will be a new and much fairer system of taxation. The disclosure that the United States’ unmanageable debt is due to the owners of the Federal Reserve banks very likely will include that the system was slyly established a century ago along with a corporate structure that fundamentally has kept the country under England’s dictate. However, because United States’ chaotic economy was the first domino to fall, so to say, and the line of dominoes around the globe swiftly followed, the long history of corruption within all major banking and lending institutions worldwide could be disclosed first. Somewhere along the way will emerge the Bush and Clinton families’ involvement with the Rockefeller Illuminati faction that helped to mortally bleed the coffers of the United States. Did you think it rather ironic that both of those former US presidents rushed to show their keen interest in what was going on in Haiti?

17. Regardless of the order in which that information becomes public, it appears that delaying the televised acknowledgement of extraterrestrial civilisations’ presence until after current upheavals settle down is unavoidable. An announcement of such extremely critical and sensitive nature requires the intricate planning that Hatonn explained [November 19, 2009], and due to the serious matters that have required focused attention and disrupted program planning sessions, final decisions have yet to be made by participating countries’ representatives. Much to the distress of the ones who caused the disruptions via their strategic upheavals, the announcement program will only be postponed, not cancelled as they intended.

18. An issue of great importance being considered by light-filled leaders is: How much shocking information can people assimilate before it starts wreaking havoc within the collective consciousness? You will greet each revelation with rejoicing, knowing that it is a step closer to world transformation and Earth’s Golden Age. But ignorance of that and many other truths—like the various kinds of mind control to “dumb down” your brain functions, and the vast underground laboratories and living accommodations for the “Little Grays” that are funded by the Illuminati’s illegal drug industry—is the lot of most people. Many may indeed be living in honourable ways, but they are asleep insofar as heightened consciousness and spiritual awakening, and those cannot come to traumatised psyches. So truths of startling nature must be an unfolding to the populace, not a bombardment.

19. We must tell you that it is with mixed feelings that we address these issues of most interest as indicated in emails sent to my mother. We do want to dispel the negativity generated by your concerns about information you have heard or read, but we do not want to sabotage one of the primary aims of these messages: That you learn to communicate with your soul-self; ask questions and be still and listen to the answers that come intuitively. Because hearing and heeding the messages from your soul to your consciousness is an essential step in soul evolution and the purpose of our messages is to offer enlightenment and guidance to assist you in evolving, once again we urge you: Seek answers within!

20. Furthermore, even truthful information from external sources can err in omission of some facts, thereby unintentionally conveying incomplete data that readers can assume is the entire story. Let me cite an example that in the Tapestry of Life is insignificant, but still I gave a flawed bit of information. With thanks to all who wrote about the medicinal effects of marijuana, I see the error in my reply [in the January 11, 2010 message] to readers who asked if certain enjoyments, including “social drugs,” could delay spiritual evolution or prevent physical ascension with Earth. In my “Yes” answer, I was thinking of heroin, cocaine and the assortment of synthetic drugs that cause adverse effects on body, mind and spirit. Marijuana does indeed offer medical benefits, and there are no damaging effects from its moderate use in a social setting. Legal consequences, yes, so I surely am not encouraging its use without medical prescription! I am simply stating that with the sensible use I mentioned, marijuana is not among the drugs that form a barrier between the consciousness and the soul and prevent the absorption of light.

21. Now then, animals becoming vegetarians will be a process of their choosing that kind of diet because it is more appealing, just as it will be for Earth’s human residents. As the light intensifies in all bodies at cellular level, humans and animals alike naturally will choose foods that have light properties, and severed animal flesh does not. Without the current food chain, animals will not overcrowd the planet; instead, they instinctively will reproduce more slowly or not at all. There absolutely is no “condemnation by God” for eating meat and seafood, but expressing gratitude for the animals that provide these foods is most appropriate. A strong immune system is the best defense against harmful substances in processed foods and seasoning's, meat from animals injected with steroids, seafood contaminated with mercury or other toxins, and genetically altered foods; and the energy of light is the ultimate strengtheners of immune systems.

22. We don’t know if a moratorium on all existing debt will be a blanket provision of the planned restructuring of the global economy, but it seems likely during the transition from the old systems to the new. What we do know is that debts incurred by countries due to loans at usurious rates of interest from the International Monetary Fund—money that went to those countries’ greedy leaders in exchange for Illuminati control of natural resources—will be forgiven, and it appears that adjustments in individuals’ debts will be in accordance with circumstances that caused the debts. The purpose of economic restructuring is to fairly distribute the wealth of your world so that no one lives in the poverty that enables others to live in luxury. And the idea that when the Illuminati’s illegal fortunes are recovered, a million or more dollars will be given to every person on the planet is pure fantasy. In Earth’s Golden Age, the trend will be away from money and toward systems of sharing and bartering—the light intensity in souls will let those means of remuneration for services and conduct of commerce become as satisfying between nations as between individuals.

23. No asteroids or comets are being aimed at Earth by powerful malevolent aliens. Even if this were the case, you are surrounded by thousands of spaceships and millions of light beings with the technology to steer away any celestial body that could collide with your planet. Another rumour to create fear, that “Planet X” is on a collision course with Earth, also is a falsehood.

24. What is your sun doing? It is responding to the rapid changes going on throughout your solar system. If your astrophysicists were aware of Earth’s ascension through the “universal time window,” they would know that stepped-up solar activity is a natural effect and that Sol poses no danger to your planet.

25. No civilisations will enter a stargate to take control and keep you from destroying your planet. Let us speak more of stargates, the various views about their purpose: Portals opened in antiquity by civilisations who came to Gaia; openings that motherships can pass through; areas where spacecraft crews observe happenings on the planet; channels through which our space family’s technology operates successfully; safety zones for “walk-ins” from other civilisations to enter; energy vortexes through which light from far distant sources is beamed to raise the vibrations of lands or seas dense with negativity; locations of intensified light that help to anchor light on the planet. There is some validity in each of those views, and we also see stargates as parts of the protective light grid surrounding your planet that serve like beacons for the souls in free spirit and astral travellers between Earth and Nirvana.

26. There will be no “jumping over 4th density and entering 5th”—the laws of the universe simply do not operate like that, and neither does the evolution of any soul. However, the time between Earth beginning ascension out of deep third density and reaching her destination in fifth will be universally unprecedented in its speed. The enormous energetic differences between third and fourth density make that trip unimaginably difficult, and overcoming the darkness that pervades a third density world can take aeons.

27. It will not happen on December 21, 2012 or any other date that you will be standing beside two others and before your very eyes, they will disappear into their own “timelines.” Even the usual date of December 31, 2012, will be much like the previous and the following days—that is, except for New Year’s Eve celebrations. The differences between life in this moment and in the Golden Age will be amazing and magnificent, but life will not differ dramatically from one day to the next as Earth continues on her journey through fourth density and on into fifth.

28. Understandably, there is a great deal of speculation about what will happen to whom at the end of 2012. There is no definitive answer because what happens to each soul will be in accordance with the uniqueness of each soul. However, we can say with certainty that the theory of a celestial body appearing as a “second Earth” and becoming the third density home for souls who do not physically accompany the “first Earth” into fourth density is erroneous. You are a soul in a human body. Earth is a soul in a planetary body. Her soul remained in its fifth density origin while her body spiralled into deep third density during the millennia that her human residents were shedding each others’ blood, mass-slaughtering her animals and severely damaging her body. She could have chosen to let her assaulted body die, but instead she chose to have its health restored so all of her residents in their myriad life forms could continue. Moreover the “two Earths” theory accommodates only the people whose lifetime choices would place them in a different third density world. There will be souls whose lifetime choices automatically will take them to first or second density placements; and at the other end of the spectrum are the souls who came from fourth, fifth and higher density worlds specifically to assist Earth in her ascension—when their mission is completed, they will return to their homelands.

29. It also is understandable that reincarnation can be an enigma. We know of your thoughts such as “In another life she was Joan of Arc” or “He was Abraham Lincoln in his last lifetime.” Persons who have the same wisdom, ideals and courage—or maybe the same skills and talents and personality traits—known of greatly respected, admired and loved individuals who lived many years ago in linear time, may be personages, or soul parts, of the cumulative soul that includes those others. The person with whom you “endow” a specific other lifetime may be deeply inspired by that same individual and emulate the qualities that made him or her great, or the person’s high aspirations may attract the powerful energy of souls you call “masters.” A family member may have chosen attributes very similar to those of a “departed” member. Perhaps because of shared lifetimes in the timelessness of the continuum, any person may seem remarkably like someone who lived long ago in your linear time. There are numerous sources of unseen and usually unrecognised influences in every life, but every one of you is and forever shall be an independent, inviolate, invaluable and unique soul even as you are an equally loved, integral part of the Oneness of All.

30. Beings of light throughout this universe are cheering you on during this time of transition into the Golden Age. Keep foremost in your vision the glories of that world that already IS and awaits your arrival!

G

hippihillbobbi · 02-15-2010, 02:00 PM

Dear Abraxas --

Thanks SO much for citing some of the Matthew-Hatton channelings here -- so good to know that, in-the-main, these are consistent with Thuban thought, cause they definitely resonate with me! in case anyone would like a link .... here's one:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/

the following part of this citation did provoke a fairly strong reaction within me, AA, so i'm inviting you to comment on it also. (emphasis added)

9. "The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway."

10. "Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light."

11. "Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain."

12. "We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls......"

This certainly Rings True with anyone who has "Heard" the Words of Yeshua like, " you must forgive 70 Times 7" (i.e., to Infinity) or "love those who hate you; do good to those who hurt you." etc. & etc.

of course, imo this is MUCH easier said than done! but remembering how interconnected we are, our essential Oneness, can help us realize that we are actually being called to forgive our own selves. (though i know that may be harder for some of us than others).

As ever, Abraxas, I appreciate all you do for us here -- at PC/PA and Beyond --to the "ends of the Planet" solar system? universe?? cosmos?!?!

hippihillbobbi

abraxasinas · 02-15-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Dear Abraxas --

Thanks SO much for citing some of the Matthew-Hatton channelings here -- so good to know that, in-the-main, these are consistent with Thuban thought, cause they definitely resonate with me! in case anyone would like a link .... here's one:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/

the following part of this citation did provoke a fairly strong reaction within me, AA, so i'm inviting you to comment on it also. (emphasis added)

9. "The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway."

10. "Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light."

11. "Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain."

12. "We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls......"

This certainly Rings True with anyone who has "Heard" the Words of Yeshua like, " you must forgive 70 Times 7" (i.e., to Infinity) or "love those who hate you; do good to those who hurt you." etc. & etc.

of course, imo this is MUCH easier said than done! but remembering how interconnected we are, our essential Oneness, can help us realize that we are actually being called to forgive our own selves. (though i know that may be harder for some of us than others).

As ever, Abraxas, I appreciate all you do for us here -- at PC/PA and Beyond --to the "ends of the Planet" solar system? universe?? cosmos?!?!

hippihillbobbi

Dear hillibill!

The above highlighted sentiments are relevant in a general sense; just as Yeshuah's two laws are relevant to superpose the older mosaic 'commandments'.

In themselves, the 'love thy god with all thy heart, soul, mind and body' and 'love thy neighbour as thyself' statemens are however almost meaningless in application EXCEPT their inner meanings are understood.

So to decode those laws, one should realise that one's neighbour and source is the MIRROR of spacetime, i.e. existence and beingness and LIFE itself.

Having such a foundation, the messages of Matthew, say that 'he' is part of the darkness and the light in unity and oneness, will become much more meaningful, than a 'sending of love and light' to the 'evil ones in the dark places'.

Iow, couple your highlighted sentiments to Matthew's understanding of SHARING both the emitting sender of the 'love and light' as well as the recepient thereof and you will enhance your inner knowledge of why Prime Source is BOTH, source of all evil and darkness AND source of all good and light.

This is exemplified in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:

4Q392:
"[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

Isaiah:45.7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

The purpose for this is CONTEXT. The suffering creation must create a focus point to PROCESS the UNIVERSAL POTENTIAL of the suffering, the ignorance and so forth - this focus has always been the planet Gaia. After the PROCESSING, a New Earth AND A NEW UNIVERSE CAN be born as a Phoenix from its own ashes of the rebirth aka resurrection.

AA

Malletzky · 02-15-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Dear hillibill!

....

Having such a foundation, the messages of Matthew, say that 'he' is part of the darkness and the light in unity and oneness, will become much more meaningful, than a 'sending of love and light' to the 'evil ones in the dark places'.

Iow, couple your highlighted sentiments to Matthew's understanding of SHARING both the emitting sender of the 'love and light' as well as the recepient thereof and you will enhance your inner knowledge of why Prime Source is BOTH, source of all evil and darkness AND source of all good and light.

This is exemplified in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:

4Q392:
"[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

Isaiah:45.7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

.......

AA

Hi Abrax, I've allways been fascinated by the very first words of the bible:

1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

especially the "let there be light" passage.

I've allways knew, deep in my heart, that the meaning of this very passage is very special, but I somehow felt to "decipher' it. I'm pretty sure that, if we would be able to find out the real meaning of the "dividing the light from the dark", we would be able to find out how the creation "works".

Thanks to your posts on this thread in the last months, I may say that there came some 'light" in my "darknes", but I'm definitely still missing the core and the deepest meaning of these passages.

Would you be able to throw some 'light' here? May I assume that the above mentioned passages are really important? And how? Is it about creating duality and separatedness in order to understand the whole?

Sorry if you've eventually described this here before, but I seem to have missed this one so far.

thanks again, with much respect
malletzky

abraxasinas · 02-18-2010, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Malletzky

Hi Abrax, I've allways been fascinated by the very first words of the bible:

1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

especially the "let there be light" passage.

I've allways knew, deep in my heart, that the meaning of this very passage is very special, but I somehow felt to "decipher' it. I'm pretty sure that, if we would be able to find out the real meaning of the "dividing the light from the dark", we would be able to find out how the creation "works".

Thanks to your posts on this thread in the last months, I may say that there came some 'light" in my "darknes", but I'm definitely still missing the core and the deepest meaning of these passages.

Would you be able to throw some 'light' here? May I assume that the above mentioned passages are really important? And how? Is it about creating duality and separatedness in order to understand the whole?

Sorry if you've eventually described this here before, but I seem to have missed this one so far.

thanks again, with much respect
malletzky

Hi Malletzky!

This question is the bugbear, not only for all of science, but also for all religion.

Science 'stumbles' in material regression at the 'singularity', where the infinite meets and becomes the void and religion postulates supernatural precursors as somehow deriving from this 'natural emptiness or void'.
In the beginning there was no space or time, so how then can there be a beginning?

This beginning is like an uncut circle or loop, whose alpha-omega point remains undefined until the circle is cut (linearisation from circularisation technically).

But the concept of the possibility of the 'cutting' infers a logistic ordering of before (the cutting) and after the cutting. This is absolutely independent of space or time (which are connected by the lightpath X=cT anyway).

But even the visualisation and concept of a circle requires space and so the 'Circle of the Void' cannot be geometrically dimensional in the common usage of the terminology.

Rather the principle of the Order substitutes for Space and the antiprinciple of Disorder/Chaos substitutes for the Nonspace.

So now you have reduced the cosmogenesis to the precept of how the space emerges from the nonspace. The key is in what (can) exist before the order principle. It is expansion/contraction and so say addition/subtraction.

The Order evolves from the possibility of the duality of the plus/minus (in core archetypes, later becoming charges, yin/yang wave particle and so on).

Then is there something more fundamental then the Expansion/Contraction 'Aeon' or Cherubimic Kingdom or Principality?

Yes there is: Identity/Antiidentity - defining the + to be the antiID of the - and vice versa (again in core archetype).

So you have a preBigBang prespacertimematter cosmology resting on 1-2-3 as Identity-Expansion-Order.

[The actual cosmogenesis is a monadic archetype (o+o=8 say) bifurcating into the binary archetype dyad {0,1} in an algorithmic selfprogramming of sorts].

Next comes the 'Invention' of Time as a Counting-Parameter and physically the inverse time as FREQUENCY.

The story continues in technical detail, but can also become expressed in 'scriptural-mythological' metaphor.

Definition:

Forethought=Event A in Order as Before and Afterthought=Event B in Order as After Event A has occurred.

Event A is happening in the subplenum of the Void=Infinity and Event B becomes the MATERIALISATION (primarily via a physical cosmology based on the frequency parameter as inverse time) of the Event A.

Also note the highly significant passage in Genesis.2.5:
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Can you see here the solution to the chicken-egg or DNA-RNA paradox - in the Rooster's Egg preceding the Hen's?

So what happened to the Adam in Genesis.1.27?

This Man (presumed to be Adam) is not the same Adam and they are simply the archetypes for Man and Woman BEFORE there was any physical creation.
This is also the Pigeradamus in the gnostic literature, the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah, the Purusha in the Vedas and the Vitruvian Man of western alchemy (Leonardo da Vinci).

This is the 'Lovechild' of 'The Invisible One' as the Forethought and of Barbelo as the Afterthought.

This is the Logos known as 'Christos' or the Word in John.1.1. AND it is also YOU as the afterthought expressing the forethought.

John Shadow

Next the the 'firmament' and the 'light' are defined in the below (especially #4), the 'firmament' being of course the 'divide' between the plenum of the physicalised emergent universe and the subplenum of the metaphysical (archetyped) universe.
In a sense the REALITY of God becomes dualised in the UNREALITY of the material universe RELATIVE to the 'imaginary' Creator and corollarily, the Self-Reality of the physical universe inhabitant can only be ascertained in rendering the Creator as Unreal or Imaginary (of course defining the skeptic/atheist position rather validly).
This is like you inside a bubble looking at the inside of the bubble surface - the outside (surface) of this bubble being in a 3D sense unfathomable and unreal to you as an inside observer.
The 'masterplan' then postulates an eventual 'piercing' of this doublesided manifold (inside+outside) in the allowance of rendering the twosidedness onesided and doubled (Moebius Strip).
This is then labeled as the 'Homecoming' of Gaia or the Second Coming of the Cosmic Christ in Manyness.

1. God's Power-Source
God's Power-Source is a form of 'eternal energy', yet 'unitarily particularised' not definable in any spacetime except in its mathematical formalism.
This mathematical logos so specifies what this concept of 'eternity' relative to its antistate of temporality implies. Those specifications then must also DEFINE the omniness of anything in relation to the God-concept.
In its most simple terms; the 'eternal energy' becomes a 'physicalisable' energy residing not in spacetimematter, but in a subplenum.
The subplenum is nontemporal, nonlocal and nonmaterial; but is defined in the mathematical principles and rules attaining to numerical systems, all based upon the binary code both algebraically and geometrically.
The geometric form of the 'Closed' Zero-Loop becomes physicalised in the 'Open' One-Loop or the Superstring and which then leads definition of a binary numeracy rootextended into the decimal in the archetypical set:
Binary-Monad BM: {0,1} → Decimal-Monad DM: {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.

The subplenum so becomes a 2-dimensional Complex plane, with origin the Unity of the Binary-Monad BM, i.e. the eigenstate of either open-ended or closed superstring loops.
It is this UNITY within the subplenum (as itself and as a prior definition for 'God'), which then allows the nonphysicalised nature of God to define itself without the existence of space, time and/or matter.
This nonphysicality then utilizes the UNITY of ITSELF to extend its own self-definition by application of fundamental principles (see hierarchy of God in 9.).
In particular, the 6th principle of inversion allows the algebraic concept of the ratio to assume limiting functionalities (say in convergent and divergent asymptotic series and number sequences). This then allows boundary- and initial conditions for a subsequent physical reality to become established in the 'complex manifold' of the subplenum.
Division of the Unity=1 AS the Open-Geometric-Superstring by the Zero=0 AS the Closed-Geometric-Superstring so applies the Principle of Inversion WITHIN the Decimal-Monad hierarchy and DEFINES the quantum relativity between the subplenum and itself as a plenum comprised of the UNITY eigenstate.

The Unified Power-Source so is a God-Quantum which has UNLIMITED energy in the subplenum, because the 'Counting' of such subplenum units represents a 'Wholey Trinity' in being simultaneously Unity=FinityAfter=1 and Zero=FinityBefore=0 and Eternity=Infinity=∞

God's Power-Source represents an Infinite Reservoir of SourceSink Subplenum 'IMAGINATION-Energy'; defined in the UNITY-God-Quantum and in an 'IMAGE-Energy', which becomes manifested in finite partiality in selfcontained closed systems, such as a Planck-Black Body-Radiator defining the entropy-related thermodynamic expansion (and cooling) of a physically finitised universe.

2. God's Operating System (OS) and Processor
God's OS is then the plenum of a physically imaged universe.
The eternity of God becomes 'trapped' in the asymptotic definitions of the 'Laws of Nature', which are all based on the algorithmic nature of the string monadic sets, which, under utility of the hierarchical principalities, allow mathematical relationships and proportionalities to become defined in abstract terms of the complex unity of the subplenum, before becoming IMAGED in the physicality of the finite spacetimematter, termed the universe's cosmogony and cosmology.

3. God's Output-Input Function
God's Input is naturally the UNIT of itself as the God-Quantum.
Iow, the quantization of the physicalised universe becomes a holofractal multiplication or quanta count of God itself. The universe, being a 'count' of God-Units so differentiates itself as the plenum of 'Finity of Measurement' from the subplenum of 'Infinity of Nonmensuration'.
Alternatively expressed, the metric spacetimes within a selfcontained thermodynamic system, subject to statistical integration of multidimensional and multifaceted energy eigenstates; become nonstochastic in the Unity energy selfstate of the subplenum.
The plenum so becomes a mirror image in the subplenum; remaining however as a finitized subset of the infinite superset as that image.

God's primary Input so becomes a finitised and countable quantum energy integral definitive for the total energy content of the so termed Quantum Big Bang. The precise quantum count is a function of the inflaton-instanton, defining the 11-dimensional supermembrane boundary (itself a quantum count as a surface area integration) to encompass the thermodynamically expanding 'Planck-Nugget-Seed', which is one dimension lower to allow a hybrid toroidal overall topology for the multidimensional universe, originating from a protoversal seed.

God's secondary Input is however a function of the PROCESSING capabilities of the primary Input becoming Output and subsequent Inputs multiply the protoversal seed as phaseshifted multiverses as a function of the Output potentials of the protoversed multiverses.

The purpose for the creation from the creator is simply the SIMULTANEOUS Self-Experience of God in the distinctions of the subplenum of oneness and the plenum of spacetime separations.
To EXPERIENCE ITSELF, God must bifurcate (and then holographically multifractalize) its own Unity.
The function of the Input is to experience 'on God's behalf' in the 'Kingdom of the Separation', namely the physical universe; and then to IMAGE in IMAGINATION and LOGISTICAL MODELS and FORMALISMS and otherwise 'as a processed Output' becoming the 'reflected' Input; reemitted from the plenum of the spacetimematter into the suplenum of the 'singularity'.

The PROCESSORS from and for God so become the God-Quantums in agglomeration, defining the 'Consciousness' of godlike spacetimematter containers.
God's Consciousness then becomes a particular energy-resonance eigenstate, defined in frequency and related derivatives (see 10.) and specifically in the concept of a 3-dimensional volumar being acted upon by a form of angular acceleration, the latter being by definition independent on the radial displacement of linear metrics and the separation of idealised coordinate 'points'.
The minimised 'consciousness-units' in God's cosmology are neutrons, evolving into hydrogen atoms, followed by molecules and macro-inertia conglomerations including chemical compounds, asteroids, moons, planets, stars and galaxies; viruses, bacteria, algae, fungi, mosquitoes, fish, salamanders, lizards, dinosaurs, birds, smilodons, australopithecines, orang-utans, bonobos, dogs and cats, Stanleys and Samanthas; Sirians, interdimensional extraterrestrials like methaned Venusians and groupgalactic Magellaneans to the SUMTOTAL of the universe's consciousness as the EVOLVING Superconsciousness of God itself.

And so, should you watch an ant crawling in your garden or should you engage in watching some birds of divers variety; you are OBSERVING God-consciousness in self-evolvement.
The Gonsciousness of God within the universe is not only separated from its subplenum unity as the certainty of the unitary probability count; but is also separated in the plenum as plenar subconsciouness carriers in a kaleidoscope of multiplicity and individuation.
But ALL is God, attempting WITHIN to remember what IT is and using its 'scattered' Imagination what it could be and could become.

God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself.

For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed.

The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum.

4. God's Beginning
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John.1.1-KJV
The definition for God as Energy so is preceded by something doing the 'defining', namely the Word=Logos=Definition. The undefined, say chaotic or unstructured subplenum energy so emerges in a defined state through the action of the Logos as the 'Logic of God' and being WITH God, becomes God.

The 'Beginning of God', before there is any physicalised energy (manifested in the quantum big bang through the inflaton-instanton), so engages 'God's Self-Awakening', i.e. it's own 'becoming conscious of itself'.
Once self-aware however, the physical cosmology can eventuate in God's bifurcation into 'Spiritual' Creator and 'Antispiritual' Creation and as Mirror-Functions of each other.
The subplenum 'pre-energy' so defines the 'Spirit' in terms of the nonseparated or superheterotic supermembrane prior to the modular duality between the heterosis becomes established.
The 26-dimensional bosonic superstring of the subplenum so defines a circularly mathematical complex continuum from which the vibratory sourcestring Eps decouples from its winded antistate of the winding sinkstring Ess in the plenum to recombine in the 11-dimensional supermembrane EpsEss. Technically, the heterosis engages the conifoldment of 16-dimensional anticlockwise vibration patterns onto 10-dimensional clockwise frequency eigenstates to define 10-dimensional hybrid superstrings.

5. God's End
God's End is God's Beginning as the alphaomega and the recircularisation of the supermembrane loops.
In terms of the subplenum, this defines the circularity of time in the nonexistence of a temporal flow of time with particular pasts, presents and futures. Only a Now-Moment and as the 'uncut' string-loop exists as the 0-binary eigenstate.
Yet, the plenum demands the concept of a 'flow of time' in a coupling to the entropy definitions of the algorithmic definitions underpinning the 'Laws of Nature'.
So the Quantum Big Bang eventuated following a 'string-epoch' and bounded in the inflaton-instanton of timeinstantenuity.
Technically, timeinstantenuity becomes the sinksource frequency fss=1/fps in modular duality becoming the inverse squareroot of the maximum entropy selfstate counter {as [df/dt]max=fps2 =E*/h=e*h see 10.} and as the 'Consciousness-Resonance' Eigenstate as the upper bound for the godlike consciousness carriers.
However, as the protoverse is defined in the inflaton preceding the materialising spacetimes in:
{VdeBroglie=RHubble.fps=c.fps/Ho=cfpsdt/dn}, and since the linearised cosmoevolution of the inertial 10-dimensional protoverse must remain asymptotic as a function of cycletime n=Hot; the End of this cosmology must be defined before its Beginning from parameters defining the eternity of the subplenum.
The End of God so becomes a Cyclicity embedded into the formalisms for the asymptotic cosmology, defining the cosmogony ontologically.
Technically (and in Black Hole physics described elsewhere) then; the overall cosmic consciousness evolution is expected to have progressed enough every 4 trillion years or so, to trigger a 'renewed' 'consciousness explosion' of the 'eternal God' to RECHARGE the seedling protoverse in a renewal of the nuclear (read dineutron/ylemic) fuel for steller regeneration.
Every 4000 billion years or so, a new Quantum Big Bang eventuates, seeded however upon the primordial seed of the initialising inflaton-instanton from the subplenum.

6. God's Location in Within-Without Bilocality
The subplenum God is without spacetimematter and so is defined as omnipresent, omnitimed, omniscientific and omnipotent by the Logos.
The Unitary God-Quantum forms the 'Bridge' for the subplenum God to experience its own separation as an integral of the God-Quantum in the spacetimed plenum.
God remains eternally unified however; as the microquantum of the sourcesink string eigenstate (which defines the 'Bridge') is in 'eternal' selfcoupling to its sinksource string-antieigenstate, the latter defining the macroquantum.
Technically, the vibratory stringscale is of the wormhole order of 10-22/2π (cosmic meters m*); whilst its reciprocal gives the modular duality in the halo-galactic scale of 2πx1022 m* or about 7 million lightyears.

7. God's Laws of Nature
There are two primary algorithms, which generate the fundamental constants of nature in cosmic units (*). The cosmic unitary system comes into effect by any cosmic civilisation measuring just two fundamental ratios in the proportionality constants between Energy and Mass as E/M=c2 and between Energy and Frequency as E/F=h.
As the energy unit (Joule*) contains the kg-m-s mensuration, any experimental determination of Planck's Constant 'h' and Einstein's Constant 'c2', will suffice to calibrate the mass-displacement-time measurement standards for the first of the 'Natural Laws'.
This can be written as:
Energy E=hf=mc2
E=hf iff m=0; (requiring c=fλ as universal lightspeed finestructure)
E=mc2 iff f=fss (as the Eigenfrequency of mass)
The first algorithm generates the following configurations under utility of the fundamental principles of the hierarchy (see 9.) and in the order:

{C1=N1=4; C2=N2=6; C3=N3=7; C4=I1=1/[6x1015]; C5=D12 =9x1016; C6=N4=11; C7=I2=1/[15x1032]; C8=D22=14x1524; C9=I3=1/[15x1618]; C10=26x6561}.
From this set; the numerical parameters to manifest a physically finetuned cosmology derive with an integer-based lightspeed constant c=3x108 (m/s)*=D1 coupled to a similarly integerized action constant h=1/[15x1032] (Js)*=I2.

The second algorithm is of the syntax form for a linearised subplenum superstring:
"Add the End to the Beginning and Begin the Head with the Tail!"

8. God's Subjectivity-Objectivity in regards to the Universal Laws of Nature
God is both Object and Subject relative to Reality.
Within the plenum, the God-idea becomes a subjective 'picture' as a 'negative' for the objective physical reality as a 'positive' observable and measurable entity.
Without the plenum and so within the subplenum, God is the objective 'spiritual' reality; this SPIRIT becoming rigorously definable as the quantum energy eigenstate for the minimised possible measurement within the plenum (and so as the Planck-Singularity of string-looped quantum physics).
The subjectivity within the plenum so manifests in the multiplicity of the physicalised units 'bridging' the abyss into the subplenum of the 'spiritual reality'.
This 'spiritual reality' so becomes an inertia independent form of electromagnetic monopolar radiation; activating under the acceleration of the God-quanta, namely the angular awareness function of the timedifferential of frequency (df/dt=Consciousness/UnitVolume and fmax2=e*/V*=2Rec2/(2π2r*3)=8πRec5mcompton3/h3 and so defining the quantum Compton-Mass configuration for the God-Resonance energy eigenstate measurable under the appropriate initial- and boundary conditions in mcompton=2.505...x10-23 kg* or about 2.25 microjoules or about 14.03 TeraElectronvolts (TeV).

The design-maximum (presently unattainable) energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Geneva, Switzerland so would, if fully operational at maximum capacity, 'tap' the 'Envelope of God's Selfstate Energy'.
This energy level behaves PHYSICALLY like the event horizon of a Kerr-Ringed Black Hole.
But here it is the quantum eigenstate for the minimum inertia manifestation which surrounds the wormhole of the God-SourceSink energy quantum (see 10.) at 1/e*=0.002 Joules* or about 12,450 TeV as the UNITARY GOD bridging the plenum with the subplenum.

At 12,450 TeV; the experimental observer would so witness God as the physical reality IT represents.

To reduce the Beginning of the Universe to an asymptotic recession cannot solve the 'Origin of God' question; because this infinite reduction CANNOT escape the plenum.
The Nullstate of the plenum so becomes the idea of the physical energy singularity as the limit for this reductionism.
The other way around is however completely feasible and the actuality for the cosmic expansion scenarios.
Once you have 'a beginning' in the spacetimematter quanta, then a simple multiplication and summation of such spacetimematter- or God-string-quanta can become asymptotic in an Infinite Approach to UNITY or Oneness.
This then is the statistical probability count, which must always be 1 in total integration.
So having the beginning, the cosmological evolution for the universe can be ever better approximated and modelled via improving measurement apparatus and theoretical calculations.
The trouble is the singularity of infinite physical quantifications.
But because God must be a Quantum-God to be WITHIN the spacetimematter plenum; it becomes easy to postulate this Quantum-God to be precisely the minimum physical energy configuration eigenstate for the physical universe and as the boundary condition, the initial- and end condition and as the LIMIT for all measurements using spacetimematter- or plenum parameters.

Then it is also easy to take the next logical step and postulate that the Quantum-God of the plenum is also the Quantum-God of the subplenum with the caveat, that spacetimematter parameters do not exist in the subplenum and so the Quantum-God must remain physically unreal or imaginary.
They become REALISED however in the understanding that the subplenum is the VOID and the VOID is simultaneously Nothing AND Everything.
This Nothing and Everything then MANIFESTS in the plenum as the minimum- and maximum energy eigenstates (technically defined in superbrane parameters of the modular duality, which brings the theories together in a grand unification of all things able to exist - including all of the imaginary things).
The minimum selfstate of the Quantum-God is a LIMIT of time measurement and just like a smallest possible circle unwinding itself to define the lightpath for the circle's perimeter transversion.
The maximum selfstate is a little different, as it must encompass the antistate of the minimum configuration as well as the potential expansion of the plenum under the auspices of the subplenum providing Information-Energy as Data, which can then become physicalised thermodynamic-entropic energy in the plenum.
This is the Infinite Approach being allowed and the Infinite recession being disallowed in the 'Laws of Nature' defining the Quantum-God.

9.God's Hierarchy
Summararily then, the Origin of God is God itself, becoming multiplexed from its monoplexed monadic singularity selfstate.

The details engage algorithmic encodings, built on 10 universal principles, 7 of which have antistates, whilst 3 have not. The principles and algorithms generate the fundamental constants, used in proportionalities and ratios for the universe of spacetimematter to be born and to become descriptive in mathematical equations.
The 10 principalities (which are archetyped as cherubimic and demonic kingdoms in the older languages of the ancient scrolls) are:

1. Identity-AntiIdentity
2. Expansion-Contraction
3. Order-Disorder=Entropy=Chaos
4. Symmetry-Antisymmetry=Disparity=Distortion
5. Infinity=Divergence-Limit=Convergence
6. Inversion=Reciprocity-Constancy=Invariance
7. Reflection-Absorption (6&7 define Hebrews.6.18)
8. Relativity (No AntiPrinciple---Revelation17.11)
9. Quantization=Holofractalisation (No AntiPrinciple)
10.New Identity, using 1-9 to transform the Old Dual-Identity

10. God's Definition in omniscientific terms of quantum-relativistic supermembranes

Quantum Relativity links the metrics of Einsteinian Relativity to their original metaphysical cosmogenesis. Theistic- and Spiritual definitions become a consequence of magnetocharged superbranes as wormhole singularities 'before' spacetime creation as progenitors for inertia.
LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:

E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.

Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
E*=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=1/e*=1/2Rec2
=GODDOG=DOGGOD=Supersymmetry in alphanumeric abstract complexity

AA

hippihillbobbi · 02-18-2010, 04:25 PM

Hi Abraxas --

So HAPPY to see ya'll back on the thread! (as she nods to Hans & Tony

)

i've been busy formulating questions in anticipation of your return and was moved to think of another by your answer to Malletsky.

1) i've been thinking about forgiveness .... (do you know that Don Henley song? it's one of my favorites![I][/I) ..... will there be any need to forgive one another beyond 3rd dimension? Will we have transcended polarity sufficiently to render "forgiveness" irrelevant?

2) i've become aware recently of a feeling regarding organized religion that not only casts it as "part of the matrix," but also as a likely stumbling block to the "masses" once disclosure has occurred (since Disclosure could destroy many people's faith in the institutional church and its God/gods, thereby inhibiting their' ability to discern/assimilate/experience the Truth which is necessary for Ascension into 4th-5th dimensions[B][B].

Since i have basically had a positive experience with organized religion (though not currently a "practicing" Catholic), this is somewhat difficult for me to understand. i just feel like God's truth is available to us in so many diverse ways, that with or without a formal institution (which inevitably means corruption) we are each able to avail ourselves of the Grace which points us toward God/Love/Light/Goodness and away from distortion, deception, darkness. Could you comment on this for me please, Abraxas.

3) Originally Posted by Abraxas (emphasis added by me):

"God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself."

[does this have anything to do with the "Agony of God?

and, in a related question, if polarity exists forever (i think i understood you to say this once in response to one of my questions), then does that mean God suffers eternally?]

"For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed."

[God needs a wife? a mother for his prospective star-babies?!?]

"The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum."

[HALLELUIA

Abraxas, if you feel like expanding on this idea at all, feel free!

Thanks so much, AA.

hippihill

bigmo · 02-18-2010, 04:51 PM

It looks like you're getting a good part of this hippihill!

It almost sounds like you are starting to adopt 'Abraxas speak'... so to speak... hehe...

It seems that Catholics may have an intuition about some of what Abraxas speaks about as I suspect many of the 'rituals' we all experienced in parochial schools (Catholics I mean) and daily church had a purpose in their origins though likely interpreted to fit the priestly desires of the moment or worse, intentionally distorted to control the masses and keep the coffers full.

Much of what Jesus said was so profound yet grossly misunderstood by his followers and it's not a wonder as to why, ie. "Lest you eat this flesh and drink this blood, you shall not have life in you." WOW... what a statement!

For the uninitiated it sounds like cannibalism but as has been pointed out in this thread, Jesus' mission had a far greater purpose than the few years he spent preaching and walking amongst us.

There was a mystical progression that he came to announce and an eternal justification that unfolded from his actions and words, that speak to us even today as we all wonder 'What it all means."

Now if I could just figure out how I can walk through walls...

Peace

abraxasinas · 02-19-2010, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Hi Abraxas --

So HAPPY to see ya'll back on the thread! (as she nods to Hans & Tony

)

i've been busy formulating questions in anticipation of your return and was moved to think of another by your answer to Malletsky.

1) i've been thinking about forgiveness .... (do you know that Don Henley song? it's one of my favorites![/I) ..... will there be any need to forgive one another beyond 3rd dimension? Will we have transcended polarity sufficiently to render "forgiveness" irrelevant?

Look into a mirror malletzky!

Can you look at yourself and 'forgive' whatever thoughts or deeds you may have entertained in your forgetfulness/ignorance/sinfulness?
You are looking at a part of the creator and this shard of All That Is.
So can you forgive 'God' for learning to be God - awaken to BE the SHARED MANYNESS of the prime source?

2) i've become aware recently of a feeling regarding organized religion that not only casts it as "part of the matrix," but also as a likely stumbling block to the "masses" once disclosure has occurred (since Disclosure could destroy many people's faith in the institutional church and its God/gods, thereby inhibiting their' ability to discern/assimilate/experience the Truth which is necessary for Ascension into 4th-5th dimensions.

Ok I'll share the ultimate truth according to Thuban with you.
The 'Great War' is a 'spiritual war' and not a physical one.
The PTB KNOW the 'real story' say to 95%; but they cannot, despite all of their access to 'hidden data' and 'hidden history' access the remaining 5%.

The PTB are preparing to PREEMPT all prophecy.
Like in WW2, they are attempting TO FORCE the issue in regards to universal potent archetypes.
Archetypes RULE the Universe, not alien ETs, human usurpers linked to higher dimensional ETs or 'ascended' or 'descended' masters.

In WW2 they attempted to MANIFEST and fulfil the prophecy of the Revelation. That is why it was called the '1000-year Reich'.
Iow what happened in the 1930s and 1940s was that the PTB tried to PREEMPT the New World Order (of the Millennium prophecied) in a way, which would allow them CONTROL over this 'New World'.

Adolf Hitler, the Austrian, became 'groomed' as the 'forerunner', say a modern Elijah or John the Baptist by one of the 'factions' of the PTB, you may call them the Priesthood of the Moon or the Luminari.

This was for the purpose to bring the 'spiritual archetypes' down into physical manifestation and the 'spiritual war' was to be between the Priesthood of the Sun or Illuminari as the Levitical priesthood in the Old Testament and the Zadokian priesthood (loyal to David as the archetype for the second coming) and as encoded in scriptures.

Unbeknown to almost all even here on the PC/PA forums; the two factions are simply the manifestation of the scriptural encodings.
This is why it has become 'policy', say in the last 10 years or so to allow an OPEN ridiculing of the God/Jesus/Spirit labels over the populist media and the 'worldwide web'.

The PTB wish to utterly CONFUSE the issues in regards to scripture (which they wish to FULFIL, because only AFTER it has been fulfilled, will THEY be able to manifest their New World Order). This is why it is ok today (for the first time in recorded history) to openly doubt and scoff at and ridicule (like here on PA/PC) the existence of Jesus, God, prophets and so on.

The PTB KNOW, that to GET RID of the prophecies, which hold the universe itself in archetypical bondage; THEY MUST BE FULFILLED.

But the PTB is attempting to do this BEFORE a 'real Jesus' say could actually INTERVENE into their plans. They are trying to circumvent the prophecied 'second coming' and the 'Christened Millennium' in fabricating a MANMADE millennium and an accompanying ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE.

The 5% eludes them and therefore are the PTB beginning to 'panic'. They are losing control to implement the NWO for 'lack of data'.

WW3 is, as said in the disclosure of Bill Ryan, the next attempt to 'force the millennium' onto the Gaian historical timeline.

The missing 5% ARE the Thuban timeline and as 'authorized' by the 'real Jesus'. This timeline shattered the plans of the PTB, as their manipulation of the archetypes (the spiritual wickedness at high places of Paul in:
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

could not continue past the 95% level.

(40) Jesus says:
"A grapevine was planted outside (the vineyard) of the Father.
And since it is not supported, it will be pulled up by its roots (and) will perish."

This other grapevine are the plans of the PTB. The timeline from December 8th, 2004 to August 4th, 2008 served as a 'image timeline' for the manifesting timeline from August 4th, 2008 to April 1st, 2012.

So the PTB are STUCK, because this timeline EMPOWERS certain people to show the way for all those who wish to become part of the new dispensation and as ordained by the 'real Jesus' (who can be said to BE presently about 2 million kilometers from the center of the earth in a waveform).

You malletzky have 'opened your heart' to that 'dispensation' and the 'trick' is as follows.
Now I have never given this information before, but for the ones reading this it shall now be revealed.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

The 'trick' is to turn this around. It is not Jesus knocking from some outside of you to 'come in', BUT 'Jesus' is knocking from your inside to 'come out'.

ONLY in RELEASING the Inner Christ will you be able to become a Starhuman and so be truly FREE from the archetypical imprisonments.
This then WILL BE the MANYNESS of Jesus in the REAL SECOND COMING from within and not from the without.

Now, the PTB DO NOT KNOW this. But of course now they will, because the 5% have been 'leaked'.

I so share one more thing and shall leave it at that for now:

Revelation.14.13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

This of course relates to the 'Harvest'; but is decoded in the manner of the 'encompassment' of the 'Christbody' by all of you (But can you take the pressure and play your parts in 'God's Own Story'?).

To summarize then; the Bill Ryan video is one of the best things hitherto produced by PA/PA and its content is fully supported by Thuban.

But as Bill says, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN as planned by the PTB, BECAUSE the absolutely correct 95% limit of the PTB is the Archetyped DRAGONHOOD.
This can be easily seen in the symbols of the PTB and the many many treatizes of this on the web say.

BUT the DRAGONS of the PTB are the MASTERS of the PTB at the 95% level.
The Parents of the Dragons of the PTB are in Thuban, belive it or not and it is they, who are in CONTROL of the Thubanese timeline under the guidance of the EVERLIVING master templar Jesus of Nazareth.

So the BIGGER DRAGONS will put their wayward Dragon Children and prodigal sons and daughters into their appropriate places.

Now because this story is actually physically true, because of this truth, are Bill Ryan and all of you who have distanced themselves from the 'evil agendas of the ETs and the PTB' justified.

Since i have basically had a positive experience with organized religion (though not currently a "practicing" Catholic), this is somewhat difficult for me to understand. i just feel like God's truth is available to us in so many diverse ways, that with or without a formal institution (which inevitably means corruption) we are each able to avail ourselves of the Grace which points us toward God/Love/Light/Goodness and away from distortion, deception, darkness. Could you comment on this for me please, Abraxas.

3) Originally Posted by Abraxas (emphasis added by me):

"God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself."

[does this have anything to do with the "Agony of God?

Yes, this agony is simply LONELINESS. HESHE gave away the SHE part AS the Creation and so lost himself as herself. God's Own Story is simply the drama to get the Creation back; not as a separated SHE back as a HESHE monad; BUT in a DOUBLING of the HESHE+SHEHE. The starhumans so will be like FatherMothers and MotherFathers, something Thuban calls the Dragonomy.
This will render the exiled Father WITHOUT spacetime as a perfect mirror function of the nonexiled Father or Redeemed Mother as a SHEHE WITHIN spacetime.
This then is Gaia's ascension, as I have described many times in various contexts.

and, in a related question, if polarity exists forever (i think i understood you to say this once in response to one of my questions), then does that mean God suffers eternally?]

The end of the sufferings of the universe and all HERHIS children is at hand.

"For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed."

[God needs a wife? a mother for his prospective star-babies?!?]

As in the above malletzky - God's wife is the material Body of the universe. Yes, Jesus is the first starbaby, soon able to become the MANY via the cosmic eucharist, just as defined in being the 'Only Begotten' and 'Noone can go to the Father but by me' and so on.

"The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum."

[HALLELUIA

[I]Abraxas, if you feel like expanding on this idea at all, feel free!

Thanks so much, AA.

hippihill

You are greatly honoured in Thuban malletzky for asking these questions.

[B][B]AA

Malletzky · 02-19-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

You are greatly honoured in Thuban malletzky for asking these questions.

[B][B]AA

Abrax, it was Hippihill that asked these questions...but believe me, it is as if Hippihill was able to read my thoughts...it took me some time to digest that superb answer you gave to my previous questions, so he was faster then I...I would have ask you almost the same questions!

But here we have the proof that, after all, we're all ONE...in this case, really, Hippihill was as ONE with ME...

regards
malletzky

abraxasinas · 02-19-2010, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Abrax, it was Hippihill that asked these questions...but believe me, it is as if Hippihill was able to read my thoughts...it took me some time to digest that superb answer you gave to my previous questions, so he was faster then I...I would have ask you almost the same questions!

But here we have the proof that, after all, we're all ONE...in this case, really, Hippihill was as ONE with ME...

regards
malletzky

I apologize for my misnomication malletzky and hippihillbobbi. Indeed hippihillbobbi the 'she(he) is mirrored in malletzky the
he(she).

Even on Thuban we make literal construction errors sometimes.
You two must have already become inaugurated in the Thubanese 'Hall of the Human Flames' - therefore the 'sanctioned' blending of your cocoons.

Abraxas

Malletzky · 02-19-2010, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

I apologize for my misnomication malletzky and hippihillbobbi. Indeed hippihillbobbi the 'she(he) is mirrored in malletzky the
he(she).

Even on Thuban we make literal construction errors sometimes.
You two must have already become inaugurated in the Thubanese 'Hall of the Human Flames' - therefore the 'sanctioned' blending of your cocoons.

Abraxas

Abrax, I accept your apoligize

About the misnomication, it could've happen to anyone...as you know, the words and all written texts contain a certain energy paterns, and the Hippihill's and mine energy patterns are very similar...

Nevertheless, I just discovered something very, very interessting in your answer to Hippihill...

Quote:

Yes, this agony is simply LONELINESS. HESHE gave away the SHE part AS the Creation and so lost himself as herself. God's Own Story is simply the drama to get the Creation back; not as a separated SHE back as a HESHE monad; BUT in a DOUBLING of the HESHE+SHEHE. The starhumans so will be like FatherMothers and MotherFathers, something Thuban calls the Dragonomy.
This will render the exiled Father WITHOUT spacetime as a perfect mirror function of the nonexiled Father or Redeemed Mother as a SHEHE WITHIN spacetime.

What a powerfull concept this is!

May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???

If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!

with respect
malletzky

abraxasinas · 02-20-2010, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Abrax, I accept your apoligize

About the misnomication, it could've happen to anyone...as you know, the words and all written texts contain a certain energy paterns, and the Hippihill's and mine energy patterns are very similar...

Nevertheless, I just discovered something very, very interessting in your answer to Hippihill...

What a powerfull concept this is!

May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???

If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!

with respect
malletzky

You are BOTH, shard of the creator and shard of the creation simltaneously malletzky.
And you seem to have understood one of the 'hidden data' (the 5% the PTB have not yet discerned relative to their data base) rather well.

The symbolism of the eucharist is THE MOST POTENT archetype for the human-starhuman transformation.
It's the real thing and is being 'synthesized' by the PTB in 'implants' and such things. It is inside-out and not outside-in.

The Cosmic Archetypology RULES the Cosmos.
The reconfiguration of Gaia so requires reconfiguration of the entire cosmic structure.
This has been the agenda of all, PTB and ETs all along.
Not many know the details, but many have hints and indicators as to what those details entail - especially the echeloners at the top of the PTB pyramid.

AA

Lionhawk · 02-19-2010, 07:10 PM

Greetings Abrax,

An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there.

Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual.

If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human.

Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times.

I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today.

But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light.

A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now.

I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor.

Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe.

With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor.

You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill.

To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period.

So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you.

Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors.

So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul.

Namaste'

02-04-2010, 01:17 PM	#1
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) My dear Abraxas, If humans depend on the vibratory rate of the collective and the vast majority still feels “trapped” within it, what would be the best way to break free for the skeptic one (or someone who is not really "attunned" yet)? Hi Juli! The 'skeptic' in a sense will have an easier 'time' to adapt, than the 'true 'supernaturality' believer'. Both are 'tunnel-minded', in not accomodating 'deviating ideas'; but the skeptic, priding himherself on 'scientific rationality' will be able to 'rationalise' and accept physical changes in the environment; whilst the supernaturalist will relate physical environmental changes to the 'works of the devil' or such. This is the 'good thing' about the general 'brainwashing' of the populus. Over 95% of 'fence sitters' will simply adapt to a new 'status quo' without questioning such changes. As before, this 95% will seek to 'be guided' by whatever 'change of guard' has eventuated. The other 5% includes the 'Powers-That-Be' (PTB), who have fully accepted the ET-esoterica-spiritual reality of the human history at a 'central neutral position' and the two polarisations of the skeptical rationalists and the supernaturalists. The so called 'New Agers' and relatives so are most closely able to 'contra' the neutral position of the say illuminati-luminari (brotherhood of the serpent); - as long as the 'alternatives' can 'overcome' their own brainwashing and infiltration(mainly by disinformation regarding ETs, UFO etc) by the PTB. Is it fair to say that the awakened ones are helping the un-awakened by their mere presence making efforts to awaken someone else really unnecessary? In this sense, at least to me, STO originates with STS first. Yes, the mere presence is sufficient as the 5% is halved in so 2.5% (actually 2.77%) say as 200 Million in 7,200 Million. Many talk about transmuting the lower energies and blockages into love, etc. etc. perhaps because they’ve found out they’ve done it after the fact. Humans are very impatient in nature and want to know how to do this. I’ve found that it’s very hard to convey to someone else an experience that is so intimate and unique for each one. I know each awakens at their own time and I’m sure the ones who have “heard the call” being lightworkers (or whatever they like to call themselves), have found a way to deal with these issues because they are more aware than most. Many of them think they have mastered everything and have no issues whatsoever to work on anymore, and perhaps some have. But, what troubles me is that some “New Agers” sound very self- righteous and I think this creates more of a divide than anything else; not to mention the infiltration of the PTB in order to cause even more confusion. The “average-Joe” instinctively rejects what cannot be proven and felt fist hand perhaps due to the intense programming experienced. Yes, you have discerned this very well indeed. Some of the most self-righteous personas I have encountered, call themselves 'New Age', 'Lightworkers', 'Enlightened Goddesses/Gods' etc. etc. Much of the 'New Age' is more based on egocentricity, than the 'Skeptics Socities'. An easily applied criteria is always the fiscal angle. Does the 'New Age' 'make money' or 'build careers' and if so, does this lead to extravagant lifestyles? Engaging in lecture tours and such, can certainly be a noble endeavour; but a 'true advocate of the spirit' would NOT change his 'individual lifestyle' to correlate with say 'travel necessities' and then go on holidays on yachts or live in extravagant mansions like a filmstar, whilst 90% of humanity lives in physical poverty and deprivation. The disinformations I have already mentioned in the paragraph above this one in preemtiness. So, my question is: What is the best way to approach friends and family members about the need to prepare for this “Shift of the Ages”? What about the people we don't know? How to help them? Do the Thubans have some practical advice they can share now as to how to be in sympathetic resonance with the energies coming to Earth? Yes, simply tell your truth as you see, experience and feel it, without fearing consequences such as ostracism or loss of your status as a peer in whatever group mileu you find yourself associated with. Of course the more data you have to feed your superconscious in remembrance through the mirror of the subconscious for your waking consciousness, the more able you will become to 'believe' your own truth. What do the Thubans think of the 10 commandments? Is Billy Meier’s “Talmud of Immanuel” a hoax? The 10 commandments became replaced by Yeshuah's 2 commandments; not in the spirit of the 'You shall not..', but in the interpretation into lawfulness. About Billy Meier. The below critique on Jim Deardorff's claims about the 'sterilization of women' being an anachronism (forgery in application of time sequencing) at least indicates that at least some of the Meier material and including the 'Talmud of Immanuel' material serves self-propagandist purposes. (see http:/http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/dear.html/ ) Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred: TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized. The quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...) Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste. The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism. The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication". I do NOT support the overall skeptical 'debunking' of all such 'New Age' material, as stated by the author, but support the above rationalisation and evidence. In the TJ it is claimed that Jesus was born 6AD, a date not supported by the Thuban archives (there it is 6 BC). What do the Thubans think of adultery and killing in self defense? Adultery does not exist as a 'lawbreaking' statute in Thuban; as there 'is no marriage in the kingdom of God'. The soul by definition will be FREE to pursue its path towards unification (in reflection) with the primal source. On Thuban, it is the female (expressed from the quadruplistic genetic complex), which is genetically and biologically defined to engage multiple partners. This also was the natural law on Gaia in the matriarchical societies. In practical terms it is 'much harder' for a male to satisfy multiple female partners, than vice versa. This does not mean that temporary monogamous partnerships are discouraged; the emphasis is that no 'marriage contracts' of 'ownership' and such are 'made law' on Thuban. As the soul is immortal by definition; the 'killing in self defense' is rather similar to any other 'killing'. The perpetrators and victims are both required to process their thoughts, deeds and actions in self-consciousness self-awareness. What do the Thubans think of demonic possession and exorcism? Once the label 'demon' is understood to be part of the 'occultized' superconscious selfhood; the idea of something other than self possessing this self becomes untenable. In 4D the astral notions of the Incubus (male demon possessing a female 'sleeper' say sexually) and the Succubus (as the female demon possessing the male) have a potent reality relative to the 3D 'sleepers'. On Thuban, the Incubus and Succubus become the fourfolded sexual selfhood in a form of highly eroticised Self-Possession. How do the Thubans explain Stigmata? A real manifestation of 'astral' 4D energy manifesting in 3D by ElectroMagnetoMonopolic Radiation EMMR-selfinduction (EMMR=Scientific Definition for the Spirit as differentiated sourcew energy). How do the Thubans explain spontaneous human combustion? Does this happen also in a different world or dimension or ET race? This is a related EMMR induction, manifesting through the circulatory nerve-neuronal-blood channels linked by endocrine (chakra) systems. If a biochemical system like the human body exists, this energy transform can occur. It is however always based on the 3D core-seed. What does the X symbol mean for the Thubans? Will it mean the same as this cross (+)? X=24 and relates to the Egyptian hieroglyph and ren=name of the cartouche of the Ankh. It is the 2nd resonance of the perfect number F=6=Mirror of Hathor, the 1st resonance being O=15=Circle=Sirius=Sothis=(Tarot Devil). It symbolises Immortality in say the 24 Elders about the 4 Elemental Beasts about the Monad of 'God's Throne' in (archetyped) heaven. What does it mean if a child sees this (X), say… on the walls; at the same time she starts seeing people’s auras? Does it mean anything if a child always draws the combined symbol of one superimposed on the other? It's again this most potent archetype of the immortality of the soul. A child doing what you describe REMEMBERS its own immortal selfhood of the disincarnate selfstate. Could a walk-in experience happen at childhood? Do all walk-ins know they are one? Walk-Ins DO NOT replace the existing soul, but complement the same. So a walk-in can occur at any time in the incarnation and simply represents a 'soul merger' leading to an enhanced remembrance of the 'family-soul'. A walk-in so simply represents a 'fuller' expression of the soul, as all souls are just such Family-Souls, as for example exhibited in the fundamental quadropolar sexual cosmic identification matrix. Some think Jesus is incarnate and walks on Earth at this time as Maitreya. What do the Thubans think of this? Indeed Jesus is 'walking the earth' - as a 'hidden' part of the Family-Soul within EVERYONE. This was the purpose of the Resurrection and the Transfiguration from the 'individual particle form' into its encompassing waveform. So all the 'crazy ones', claiming to be Jesus are actually correct in their underinformed selfexpression of 'the (w)hol(e)y name'. All the ones expecting or 'manufacturing' some 'future' individual, say emerging from a spacecraft as 'Jesus of Nazareth' or the 12th Imam or Kalki or a new Buddha or Maitreya are in a manner 'deluded' or 'deceived' by their own expectations and mistranslations of the archetyped 'holy writs'. The crux (x=+) of the matter is that 'Jesus' knocks on all doors/hearts KNOWING that heshe is already there. It then becomes the 'AntiChrist's' 'task' to attempt to 'deny entry' for the 'Cosmic Christ' in its required and necessitated function to fulfil all prophecies and timelines to the latter's completion. Abraxasinas best regards, Juli Last edited by abraxasinas; 02-04-2010 at 01:24 PM.

02-12-2010, 12:27 PM	#5
dddanieljjjamesss Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Beverly, MA Posts: 148	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Still only about ten pages deep... but I notice that you have a knack for applying individual-specific metaphors to help explain things. I am just curious if you have anything for me abraxasinas :P Yesterday I was positively tingling, it's hard for me to concentrate on my school work which seems so mundane and just another part of the matrix. That's probably the biggest thing I struggle with now... trying to maintain myself as part of the "every day" world and at the same time use my time wisely to prepare for whats up ahead. I've eaten my rice, but haven't managed to wash my bowl yet, if you catch the reference (which I'm sure you will hehe.) I love you and everyone in this thread!

02-12-2010, 06:11 PM	#6
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Dear Abraxas -- I'd just like to "run-this-by-you" to be sure i've got it straight ..... so Abraxas/Sirebard (2nd order) and Hans/John (3rd order) are the same soul/entity as TonyB, who is currently individuated in third-density ..... ? and, if the above is correct, i'd like to ask what is the correlation between orders and densities? e.g., what densities are Abraxas and Hans? i think i remember you replying earlier on that in 2012 "you" expected to be ascending to 4th density positive ..... i guess that was the "you" labelled TonyB? does this imply the "automatic" ascensions of Abraxas and Hans as well? Then, one more thing for now, AA .... following is a quote from your last reply to me which i didn't quite "get." would you please explain more specifically why this 1600-day timeline between Aug. 4, 2008 and Dec. 12, 2012 is important? (i realize it has something to do with the fulfillment of Egyptian-Mayan-Christian prophecy, but how exactly?[I][I] "For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}." Thanks so much, as always, Abraxas. hippihill Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 02-12-2010 at 06:17 PM.

02-14-2010, 12:11 PM	#11
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hei Abraxasinas Have you ever considered talking to people of science? I do (and am surly not the only one) appreciate your efforts to come and discuss the topics here and answer our question....but if you go and talk to a "man of science" your infromation just might erupt in main stream = more people would know about it.... There a people like for example dr. Michio Kaku.... If you talk to him using mathematical terms and non layman terms...i am sure you can get his attention. By what is written about him, he just might be opened enough to put some of his attention to what you have to say... http://mkaku.org/ ----------------- American theoretical physicist specializing in string field theory, and a futurist. He is a popularizer of science, host of two radio programs and a best-selling author. Kaku was born in San Jose, California to Japanese immigrant parents, and attended and played first board on the chess team of Cubberly High School in Palo Alto in the early 1960s. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, N.M., he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller, who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude from Harvard University with a B.S. degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley and received a Ph.D. in 1972 Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York, and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he has lectured for more than 30 years. Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force, the weak force, gravity and electromagnetism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku ----------------------------------------- I am not an expert on Kaku...but he, for example, is not afraid to say that there are ET out there and is not afraid to discuss the "out of this world" possibilities (my impression). I do not know how right or wrong he is...but he keeps an open mind even to things that are said to be theoretically possible but practically not doable (most probably because of the financial system) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9-ZaoCG5A

02-15-2010, 09:38 AM	#13
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi All! I would like to correlate this Thuban thread with particular messages channeled from 'Matthew' from the 'other side' of the cosmic mirror. Matthew Ward died in 1980 and some 14 years later began to relay messages to his mother Suzanne Ward. Now the 'pure' intent and love connection between mother and son in this instance of the 'channeling' allows a relatively unobfuscated transmission from emitter to receiver, the latter becoming a 'love filter', little encumbered by exterior world-related motivations and agendas. The Council of Thuban so recommends the Matthew-Hatonn channelings as being in significant attunement to the datastream provided by Thuban. I have highlighted the parts of this message, which are most aligned to the archives of the cosmic dragons. The labels: 19, 21, 23-30 are especially supported by the Thuban agenda. AA Matthew's Message - Feb 2010 1. This is Matthew with loving greetings from all souls at this station. As Earth’s ever-accelerating ascension pace takes her into progressively lighter energy planes, we see more and more hearts and minds opening to the light even as turmoil continues. Unwilling to accept that their efforts will end in utter futility, those with negativity at their core still are fighting tenaciously to keep their dwindling strength from disappearing entirely. 2. We see the widespread grief, confusion and massive destruction in Haiti, and we weep. Not for the tens of thousands who died, as those who need special care are receiving personalised attention from dedicated souls in Nirvana, and others are joyful about returning to that wondrous spirit world. No, our sadness is for the millions whose lives are even more desperate now, far worse than their family elders who have endured the pain of impoverishment for many decades. Knowing their soul contracts does not render us immune to sadness about the personal tragedies still unfolding for our brothers and sisters in Haiti, where the starkest evidence of the best and the worst in humankind exemplifies the extremes of duality. 3. The earthquake was not of Mother Nature’s making. It was the intentional work of those among you who have the technology to create such catastrophic planetary upheavals. In this case, it was to cover an attempt to move through Haiti a vast fortune from its discovered hiding place to a secret destination. If there can be a sliver of a silver lining in that diabolical act, it is that no longer is the truth hidden about weather control technology and its wicked uses—the information is on your Internet for all to see. The use of this kind of “weapon of mass destruction” cannot be prevented, and once set in motion, only softening, or levelling out, steps can be taken. As devastating as the earthquake was, without our space family’s intervention that lessened the impact on Port-au-Prince, the death toll and destruction would have been even greater. 4. The best in humankind was the instantaneous compassion throughout your world and the outpouring of assistance. This is creating light to help rid Haiti’s soil, water and air of the negativity that caused it to become the poorest of countries. Despotic dictators who lived in opulence denied their countrymen even basic living standards, thus consigning them to debilitating diseases and virtually no healthcare, educational opportunity or source of liveable income. Loans that could have alleviated those conditions and the suffering they caused instead went into the pockets of the dictators, and the peoples felt helpless to improve their lives or their children’s. When those decades of fear and oppression ended a few short years ago, the country was beset with political turmoil, and soon the Haitians’ hopes of betterment were dashed. 5. The souls who chose to embody in those harsh circumstances known of Haiti did so willingly to balance other lifetimes so they could evolve spiritually, the goal of every soul. Many who recently transitioned to spirit life had fulfilled their soul contract choices to complete third density experiencing, and in time they will reincarnate in a fourth density world of their choice. Those who died before completing their soul contracts have the same opportunities to do this in Nirvana, where they have help in accomplishing their karmic lessons and prepare to evolve out of third density. 6. In all instances, these souls are serving their families and friends in two ways: Their leaving reduced the amount of negativity caused by their former wretched living conditions and also prevented the negativity that living in even worse circumstances would have generated; and those souls are beaming light from their spirit home to all on Earth with whom they are bonded in love, and to Earth herself. 7. A positive aspect of the quake and the tremors that followed is that even with “softened” destructive capability, they released a mammoth amount of negativity from this small half-island nation. That reduction in negativity will allow the beaming-in and anchoring of light to facilitate the Haitian peoples in rebuilding their lives and their country. 8. Despite everything they have experienced in the past weeks—grief, injuries, traumatised psyches and desperate circumstances they still are encountering—a resilient spirit still shines brightly. With medical teams and other helpers from many nations coming to their aid, albeit insufficient to relieve much of the suffering or supply all basic needs, the peoples of Haiti know the world has not forgotten them. The light in their new-found hope added to the light of all who are helping—whether directly by their side or prayers or donations from around the world—is far greater than the negativity of combined grief and trauma. 9. The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway. 10. Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light. 11. Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain. 12. We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls as we address other issues in which you have expressed interest. Yes, the recent snowstorms in the eastern parts of the United States are another incidence of man-made technology used for self-serving purposes. Virtually closing down the US government was the main intent because so doing also impacts many other countries. The snowstorms— just like the clumsy “Black Ops” attempt on Christmas Day to explode an airplane by means of a very confused individual operating under mind control, then the devastation in Haiti—are intended to disrupt actions under way to remove the Illuminati’s tentacles on untold wealth and their toehold on the global economy. 13. Previous messages have identified many disparate groups under the Illuminati “umbrella,” the pyramid organisational structure that keeps lower ranking members uninformed about the intentions of those at the peak, and the powerful global network that for centuries has controlled everything that influences life on your planet. We know of the opinions that US President Obama is leading his country in the wrong direction, and we tell you that if only you could know how prudently and wisely he is moving behind the scenes to upset the entire Illuminati apple cart, instead of concerns about his direction, there would be rousing cheers. 14. The larger purpose to be served by assuring you that Obama’s intentions are aligned with the light is of utmost importance. The energy of negative thoughts about his leadership and all other situations anywhere on Earth that are seen as worrisome is flowing out into your world and delaying effective resolutions to tumultuous happenings everywhere. It is the energy of love-light that motivates the spirit of cooperation among peoples and brings an end to conflicts, violence, deception and unjustness. Some of you say, “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” YES! The truth in that expression of personal responsibility derives from soul-level awareness that you chose this lifetime specifically to help speed Earth along her ascension pathway. 15. So the individuals who propose that a collective will to make your world a better place will achieve that without extraterrestrial help do make a good point—absolutely you must act, must set the pace toward world transformation, because it is your world. But those individuals are way off track by not acknowledging that without many other civilisations’ immeasurable help that started about seventy years ago, none of you would be where you are because the planet would have died. And we assure you, your space family’s continued help will be welcomed by all except the ones who are fighting mightily to prevent reforms anywhere. 16. We can tell you what is fomenting behind the scenes regarding the truth about the global economy, but because Earth’s energy field of potential is in such wild commotion, we cannot discern what information will emerge first or the order in which other facts will follow. We can say, though, that it cannot be much longer before the “first spill” because all the corruption must be exposed so it can be eliminated and an honourable system implemented. It is possible that the end of the Federal Reserve in its present form will be the first public “news,” and it seems likely that close on its heels will be a new and much fairer system of taxation. The disclosure that the United States’ unmanageable debt is due to the owners of the Federal Reserve banks very likely will include that the system was slyly established a century ago along with a corporate structure that fundamentally has kept the country under England’s dictate. However, because United States’ chaotic economy was the first domino to fall, so to say, and the line of dominoes around the globe swiftly followed, the long history of corruption within all major banking and lending institutions worldwide could be disclosed first. Somewhere along the way will emerge the Bush and Clinton families’ involvement with the Rockefeller Illuminati faction that helped to mortally bleed the coffers of the United States. Did you think it rather ironic that both of those former US presidents rushed to show their keen interest in what was going on in Haiti? 17. Regardless of the order in which that information becomes public, it appears that delaying the televised acknowledgement of extraterrestrial civilisations’ presence until after current upheavals settle down is unavoidable. An announcement of such extremely critical and sensitive nature requires the intricate planning that Hatonn explained [November 19, 2009], and due to the serious matters that have required focused attention and disrupted program planning sessions, final decisions have yet to be made by participating countries’ representatives. Much to the distress of the ones who caused the disruptions via their strategic upheavals, the announcement program will only be postponed, not cancelled as they intended. 18. An issue of great importance being considered by light-filled leaders is: How much shocking information can people assimilate before it starts wreaking havoc within the collective consciousness? You will greet each revelation with rejoicing, knowing that it is a step closer to world transformation and Earth’s Golden Age. But ignorance of that and many other truths—like the various kinds of mind control to “dumb down” your brain functions, and the vast underground laboratories and living accommodations for the “Little Grays” that are funded by the Illuminati’s illegal drug industry—is the lot of most people. Many may indeed be living in honourable ways, but they are asleep insofar as heightened consciousness and spiritual awakening, and those cannot come to traumatised psyches. So truths of startling nature must be an unfolding to the populace, not a bombardment. 19. We must tell you that it is with mixed feelings that we address these issues of most interest as indicated in emails sent to my mother. We do want to dispel the negativity generated by your concerns about information you have heard or read, but we do not want to sabotage one of the primary aims of these messages: That you learn to communicate with your soul-self; ask questions and be still and listen to the answers that come intuitively. Because hearing and heeding the messages from your soul to your consciousness is an essential step in soul evolution and the purpose of our messages is to offer enlightenment and guidance to assist you in evolving, once again we urge you: Seek answers within! 20. Furthermore, even truthful information from external sources can err in omission of some facts, thereby unintentionally conveying incomplete data that readers can assume is the entire story. Let me cite an example that in the Tapestry of Life is insignificant, but still I gave a flawed bit of information. With thanks to all who wrote about the medicinal effects of marijuana, I see the error in my reply [in the January 11, 2010 message] to readers who asked if certain enjoyments, including “social drugs,” could delay spiritual evolution or prevent physical ascension with Earth. In my “Yes” answer, I was thinking of heroin, cocaine and the assortment of synthetic drugs that cause adverse effects on body, mind and spirit. Marijuana does indeed offer medical benefits, and there are no damaging effects from its moderate use in a social setting. Legal consequences, yes, so I surely am not encouraging its use without medical prescription! I am simply stating that with the sensible use I mentioned, marijuana is not among the drugs that form a barrier between the consciousness and the soul and prevent the absorption of light. 21. Now then, animals becoming vegetarians will be a process of their choosing that kind of diet because it is more appealing, just as it will be for Earth’s human residents. As the light intensifies in all bodies at cellular level, humans and animals alike naturally will choose foods that have light properties, and severed animal flesh does not. Without the current food chain, animals will not overcrowd the planet; instead, they instinctively will reproduce more slowly or not at all. There absolutely is no “condemnation by God” for eating meat and seafood, but expressing gratitude for the animals that provide these foods is most appropriate. A strong immune system is the best defense against harmful substances in processed foods and seasoning's, meat from animals injected with steroids, seafood contaminated with mercury or other toxins, and genetically altered foods; and the energy of light is the ultimate strengtheners of immune systems. 22. We don’t know if a moratorium on all existing debt will be a blanket provision of the planned restructuring of the global economy, but it seems likely during the transition from the old systems to the new. What we do know is that debts incurred by countries due to loans at usurious rates of interest from the International Monetary Fund—money that went to those countries’ greedy leaders in exchange for Illuminati control of natural resources—will be forgiven, and it appears that adjustments in individuals’ debts will be in accordance with circumstances that caused the debts. The purpose of economic restructuring is to fairly distribute the wealth of your world so that no one lives in the poverty that enables others to live in luxury. And the idea that when the Illuminati’s illegal fortunes are recovered, a million or more dollars will be given to every person on the planet is pure fantasy. In Earth’s Golden Age, the trend will be away from money and toward systems of sharing and bartering—the light intensity in souls will let those means of remuneration for services and conduct of commerce become as satisfying between nations as between individuals. 23. No asteroids or comets are being aimed at Earth by powerful malevolent aliens. Even if this were the case, you are surrounded by thousands of spaceships and millions of light beings with the technology to steer away any celestial body that could collide with your planet. Another rumour to create fear, that “Planet X” is on a collision course with Earth, also is a falsehood. 24. What is your sun doing? It is responding to the rapid changes going on throughout your solar system. If your astrophysicists were aware of Earth’s ascension through the “universal time window,” they would know that stepped-up solar activity is a natural effect and that Sol poses no danger to your planet. 25. No civilisations will enter a stargate to take control and keep you from destroying your planet. Let us speak more of stargates, the various views about their purpose: Portals opened in antiquity by civilisations who came to Gaia; openings that motherships can pass through; areas where spacecraft crews observe happenings on the planet; channels through which our space family’s technology operates successfully; safety zones for “walk-ins” from other civilisations to enter; energy vortexes through which light from far distant sources is beamed to raise the vibrations of lands or seas dense with negativity; locations of intensified light that help to anchor light on the planet. There is some validity in each of those views, and we also see stargates as parts of the protective light grid surrounding your planet that serve like beacons for the souls in free spirit and astral travellers between Earth and Nirvana. 26. There will be no “jumping over 4th density and entering 5th”—the laws of the universe simply do not operate like that, and neither does the evolution of any soul. However, the time between Earth beginning ascension out of deep third density and reaching her destination in fifth will be universally unprecedented in its speed. The enormous energetic differences between third and fourth density make that trip unimaginably difficult, and overcoming the darkness that pervades a third density world can take aeons. 27. It will not happen on December 21, 2012 or any other date that you will be standing beside two others and before your very eyes, they will disappear into their own “timelines.” Even the usual date of December 31, 2012, will be much like the previous and the following days—that is, except for New Year’s Eve celebrations. The differences between life in this moment and in the Golden Age will be amazing and magnificent, but life will not differ dramatically from one day to the next as Earth continues on her journey through fourth density and on into fifth. 28. Understandably, there is a great deal of speculation about what will happen to whom at the end of 2012. There is no definitive answer because what happens to each soul will be in accordance with the uniqueness of each soul. However, we can say with certainty that the theory of a celestial body appearing as a “second Earth” and becoming the third density home for souls who do not physically accompany the “first Earth” into fourth density is erroneous. You are a soul in a human body. Earth is a soul in a planetary body. Her soul remained in its fifth density origin while her body spiralled into deep third density during the millennia that her human residents were shedding each others’ blood, mass-slaughtering her animals and severely damaging her body. She could have chosen to let her assaulted body die, but instead she chose to have its health restored so all of her residents in their myriad life forms could continue. Moreover the “two Earths” theory accommodates only the people whose lifetime choices would place them in a different third density world. There will be souls whose lifetime choices automatically will take them to first or second density placements; and at the other end of the spectrum are the souls who came from fourth, fifth and higher density worlds specifically to assist Earth in her ascension—when their mission is completed, they will return to their homelands. 29. It also is understandable that reincarnation can be an enigma. We know of your thoughts such as “In another life she was Joan of Arc” or “He was Abraham Lincoln in his last lifetime.” Persons who have the same wisdom, ideals and courage—or maybe the same skills and talents and personality traits—known of greatly respected, admired and loved individuals who lived many years ago in linear time, may be personages, or soul parts, of the cumulative soul that includes those others. The person with whom you “endow” a specific other lifetime may be deeply inspired by that same individual and emulate the qualities that made him or her great, or the person’s high aspirations may attract the powerful energy of souls you call “masters.” A family member may have chosen attributes very similar to those of a “departed” member. Perhaps because of shared lifetimes in the timelessness of the continuum, any person may seem remarkably like someone who lived long ago in your linear time. There are numerous sources of unseen and usually unrecognised influences in every life, but every one of you is and forever shall be an independent, inviolate, invaluable and unique soul even as you are an equally loved, integral part of the Oneness of All. 30. Beings of light throughout this universe are cheering you on during this time of transition into the Golden Age. Keep foremost in your vision the glories of that world that already IS and awaits your arrival! G

02-15-2010, 02:00 PM	#14
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Dear Abraxas -- Thanks SO much for citing some of the Matthew-Hatton channelings here -- so good to know that, in-the-main, these are consistent with Thuban thought, cause they definitely resonate with me! in case anyone would like a link .... here's one: http://www.matthewbooks.com/ the following part of this citation did provoke a fairly strong reaction within me, AA, so i'm inviting you to comment on it also. (emphasis added) 9. "The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway." 10. "Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light." 11. "Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain." 12. "We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls......" This certainly Rings True with anyone who has "Heard" the Words of Yeshua like, " you must forgive 70 Times 7" (i.e., to Infinity) or "love those who hate you; do good to those who hurt you." etc. & etc. of course, imo this is MUCH easier said than done! but remembering how interconnected we are, our essential Oneness, can help us realize that we are actually being called to forgive our own selves. (though i know that may be harder for some of us than others). As ever, Abraxas, I appreciate all you do for us here -- at PC/PA and Beyond --to the "ends of the Planet" solar system? universe?? cosmos?!?! hippihillbobbi Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 02-15-2010 at 02:11 PM.

02-18-2010, 04:25 PM	#18
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxas -- So HAPPY to see ya'll back on the thread! (as she nods to Hans & Tony ) i've been busy formulating questions in anticipation of your return and was moved to think of another by your answer to Malletsky. 1) i've been thinking about forgiveness .... (do you know that Don Henley song? it's one of my favorites![I][/I) ..... will there be any need to forgive one another beyond 3rd dimension? Will we have transcended polarity sufficiently to render "forgiveness" irrelevant? 2) i've become aware recently of a feeling regarding organized religion that not only casts it as "part of the matrix," but also as a likely stumbling block to the "masses" once disclosure has occurred (since Disclosure could destroy many people's faith in the institutional church and its God/gods, thereby inhibiting their' ability to discern/assimilate/experience the Truth which is necessary for Ascension into 4th-5th dimensions[B][B]. Since i have basically had a positive experience with organized religion (though not currently a "practicing" Catholic), this is somewhat difficult for me to understand. i just feel like God's truth is available to us in so many diverse ways, that with or without a formal institution (which inevitably means corruption) we are each able to avail ourselves of the Grace which points us toward God/Love/Light/Goodness and away from distortion, deception, darkness. Could you comment on this for me please, Abraxas. 3) *Originally Posted by Abraxas* (emphasis added by me): "God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'. Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself." [does this have anything to do with the "Agony of God? and, in a related question, if polarity exists forever (i think i understood you to say this once in response to one of my questions), then does that mean God suffers eternally?] "For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes. Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed." [God needs a wife? a mother for his prospective star-babies?!?] "The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum. Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum." [HALLELUIA Abraxas, if you feel like expanding on this idea at all, feel free! Thanks so much, AA. hippihill Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 02-18-2010 at 04:37 PM.

02-18-2010, 04:51 PM	#19
bigmo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 122	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) It looks like you're getting a good part of this hippihill! It almost sounds like you are starting to adopt 'Abraxas speak'... so to speak... hehe... It seems that Catholics may have an intuition about some of what Abraxas speaks about as I suspect many of the 'rituals' we all experienced in parochial schools (Catholics I mean) and daily church had a purpose in their origins though likely interpreted to fit the priestly desires of the moment or worse, intentionally distorted to control the masses and keep the coffers full. Much of what Jesus said was so profound yet grossly misunderstood by his followers and it's not a wonder as to why, ie. "Lest you eat this flesh and drink this blood, you shall not have life in you." WOW... what a statement! For the uninitiated it sounds like cannibalism but as has been pointed out in this thread, Jesus' mission had a far greater purpose than the few years he spent preaching and walking amongst us. There was a mystical progression that he came to announce and an eternal justification that unfolded from his actions and words, that speak to us even today as we all wonder 'What it all means." Now if I could just figure out how I can walk through walls... Peace

02-19-2010, 07:10 PM	#25
Lionhawk Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sol, Terra 3, Florida, USA Posts: 329	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Greetings Abrax, An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there. Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual. If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human. Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times. I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today. But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light. A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now. I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor. Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe. With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor. You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill. To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period. So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you. Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors. So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul. Namaste'

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