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[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by King Lear

And the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality. To force that on young students isn't right either.

No one is forcing it onto anyone. People are simply seeking acceptance of who they are, much like African Americans, Women and Native Americans have for decades.

It is pathetic that in our world, it is still ok to bash, beat and harass gays.

The WBC is in the wrong and nothing you or anyone else says will change that.

[raulduke]

Thanks HJ I musta misread that somehow when I read KL's post before.

@KL

What is the "aggressive ideology of homosexuality" and how is it being forced on young students?

[Humble Janitor]

I can't believe people still have such opinions on a site like this.

So much for being open-minded, eh? Might as well go march with the WBC.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I can't believe people still have such opinions on a site like this.

So much for being open-minded, eh? Might as well go march with the WBC.

To be open-minded, does not mean to betray one's own principles!
In my opinion and many other's, it's simply wrong.

And we have the right of our OWN opinion and to speak it out openly!
Or do you want to bring all opions into line, like in the USSR?
Is that your definition of "open-minded"?


Again I've to remind of what Voltaire said:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Everyone who doesn't agree to that, has never understood democracy nor freedom of speech.

[AscendingStarseed]

I'm also surprised to see that kind of attitude here too, apparently an open mind has nothing to do with homophobia. Did you know that homophobia actually comes from a fear of ones own "latent" homosexual desires and tendencies? Homophobes have issues of their own they hasn't dealt with, meaning sometime in the past they've probably had sexual urges towards men that scared the hell out of them.

My mother has her phd in psychology and specialized in sex therapy, so I grew up learning all about this stuff...just like anything else these attitudes are stemmed in ignorance. It's sad that people feel it's right to treat people who are different in such an UNCHRISTIAN manner. But such hypocrisy is seen commonly amongst hard core christians, the same christians that would probably have Jesus arrested or put in a loony bin if he walked the Earth today. It's really sad to see how people have lost their humanity...

[Church]

King Lear, you have a lot of learning to do before the asteroid hits. It's sad to have to tell you this, but your posts are revealing much more about yourself than I think you are aware of.

It would be good to heal that broken part of yourself, now that it's being pointed out to you, right?

Otherwise, leave your gay bashing out of this thread. "Aggressive ideology." Did you realize how ignorant that sounded as you were typing it? Or have you realized it yet?

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by AscendingStarseed

I'm also surprised to see that kind of attitude here too, apparently an open mind has nothing to do with homophobia. Did you know that homophobia actually comes from a fear of ones own "latent" homosexual desires and tendencies? Homophobes have issues of their own they hasn't dealt with, meaning sometime in the past they've probably had sexual urges towards men that scared the hell out of them.

My mother has her phd in psychology and specialized in sex therapy, so I grew up learning all about this stuff...just like anything else these attitudes are stemmed in ignorance. It's sad that people feel it's right to treat people who are different in such an UNCHRISTIAN manner. But such hypocrisy is seen commonly amongst hard core christians, the same christians that would probably have Jesus arrested or put in a loony bin if he walked the Earth today. It's really sad to see how people have lost their humanity...

It's really funny, apologists of homosexuality always bring on this old story:
"if you're homophobe you're a crypto-homo...blah di blah di blah"

And then the next stereotype:
"My mother has a PHD... I'm so highly educated... that's why I am a better person and have so high moral standards... blah di blah di blah"


Can't you guys be a bit more innovative for God's sake?



I myself graduated from university, but never would I consider me to be a better person just because of that!
I know many people who are only highschool graduates and despite that they're much more intelligent as any moron with a PHD, they've something which these loons never can get - natural intelligence!
And these people also have much more healthier moral standards,
nothing out of textbooks!

And this isn't related to any religious fundamentalism, just a gut feeling.

And I know, you know-it-alls, you mr. smarty pants hate their guts!
Because deep inside yourself, you know that these plain people are RIGHT!


And another thing:
Me and many others aren't "homophobe"!
Because we don't FEAR Homos!

We're just disgusted by their behaviour.
There's no group on this earth, like the gays,
who constantly smear their private sexual orientation in people's face.
Publicly!

And try to influence little school children with their PRIVATE sexual orientation.

Have you ever seen a heterosexual wearing a t-shirt with "Hetero pride" written on it?
Or a man who's whining: "if you prohibit me to marry this woman I'll go to the Supreme Court and sue you for discrimination!"
Or a Hetero-parade where you can see Heteros doing a blow job publicly on one of the parade's wagons?


Understand one thing you shrink-brains:
Most people don't hate nor fear Homos,
they're just disgusted by their impertinent behaviour!
And people get annoyed by that.




And to speak that out is not closed-minded, discrimination nor hate,
it's just the simple practrice of our constitutional right, called FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

And everyone who doesn't accept that is a fascistic opinon-bolshevist




P.S. No one can prevent that nut-groups like the WBC hijack this issue, but still it is an issue!

[MargueriteBee]

What is the "aggressive ideology of homosexuality" and how is it being forced on young students?[/QUOTE]


What I have been told by my niece is that her school (seventh grade) taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. She said the girls were all encouraged by the lesbian teacher to get a girlfriend to be gay with. When I explained to her what is really meant to be a lesbian she was disgusted. I told her that that means she is not gay and not to let ANYONE talk her into it.

[Church]

^ Are you serious? Her school taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. Not "her teacher taught her," even, but her school. First of all, you can't teach anyone to be gay. I want to laugh, but the absurdity that someone thinks this actually just makes me sad. Second of all, 12 year olds have a tendency to misinterpret things that adults say from time to time, so she may very well be distorting some facts. Third of all, even if this teacher is some kind of delinquent or disinfo agent, this is ONE person, so what possesses you to automatically equate this with "all gay people try forcing people to be gay?" And lastly, no one can be "talked into" being gay.

I say this so that you can rest, and assuage your fears, because obviously you are fearful of something you don't understand, i.e. homosexuality, and because I love you as a brother or sister, I want you to heal that part of yourself... gay-ness is not an accessory you pick up at the department store. And it's not something you can pin on someone's lapel, either. The only way any human can be "forced" to become gay would be by becoming victim of an electroshock brainwashing program, and if that IS the case with your niece's school, you should be concerned that they are trying to submit her to electroshock brainwashing at ALL, not simply at the direction they are brainwashing her in.

Oh she's not being kidnapped and subjected to waterboarding and other tactics? Yeah, that means she's not being forced to be gay, and no one is trying to make her gay.

There's a lot more homophobia than I expected to find, here, at a forum that claims to be open-minded and prepared to enter the next world, or whatever new agey claims are made by many people these days. It's funny to me, though. I like a good show. Oh yeah, to those of you that subscribe to the "aggressive ideology" claim, you might want to watch this Louis CK video. It's funny, and it will help you to heal that broken part of yourselves:



I'm a heterosexual male, by the way, in a serious relationship with the same woman for over 3 years now. I have no agenda, other than waking people up, because polarity consciousness isn't making it into the next world, fortunately.

[MargueriteBee]

Originally Posted by Church

^ Are you serious? Her school taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. Not "her teacher taught her," even, but her school. First of all, you can't teach anyone to be gay. I want to laugh, but the absurdity that someone thinks this actually just makes me sad. Second of all, 12 year olds have a tendency to misinterpret things that adults say from time to time, so she may very well be distorting some facts. Third of all, even if this teacher is some kind of delinquent or disinfo agent, this is ONE person, so what possesses you to automatically equate this with "all gay people try forcing people to be gay?" And lastly, no one can be "talked into" being gay.

I didn't say they were being forced but I think people can be brain washed into thinking they are gay....

[King Lear]

It's very strange that we hear of such "isolated cases" nationwide.
And of course it's hard "to talk someone into" being gay,
but that's not the main goal, the main goal is to break up the traditional family and moral standards.

[MargueriteBee]

It is not just being gay that the school promoted, it was having sex period. In 5th grade she was taught that it is okay to have sex, that it is her right. So she went and lost her cherry at age 11, at school, during school hours, in the boys bathroom.

Little children believe what the grownups tell them, they are gullible and that is why the crap is being taught at such a young age. Those girls in the video and have been brain washed in a major way.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by MargueriteBee

It is not just being gay that the school promoted, it was having sex period. In 5th grade she was taught that it is okay to have sex, that it is her right. So she went and lost her cherry at age 11, at school, during school hours, in the boys bathroom.

Little children believe what the grownups tell them, they are gullible and that is why the crap is being taught at such a young age.

That's certainly only an "isolated case" as the liberal-"esoterics" here would say!

[MargueriteBee]

I don't think it is an isolated case:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_...c_schools1.htm

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by MargueriteBee

I don't think it is an isolated case:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_...c_schools1.htm

That's certainly only propaganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum

[MargueriteBee]

Originally Posted by King Lear

That's certainly only propaganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum

I don't understand what you mean, please explain.

[Humble Janitor]

Keep on crowing away, King Lear.

Social engineering exists in many forms and like it or not, the nuclear family model was created to facilitate a male-dominated society.

There is no perfect family model out there. There are people who are part of families that have no blood relation. The concept of family does not mean that you need 2,3,4,5 kids or a mother and father. It goes beyond that.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Keep on crowing away, King Lear.

Social engineering exists in many forms and like it or not, the nuclear family model was created to facilitate a male-dominated society.

There is no perfect family model out there. There are people who are part of families that have no blood relation. The concept of family does not mean that you need 2,3,4,5 kids or a mother and father. It goes beyond that.

Excuse me but this is Bull Sh... Shalom (I've to watch my profanity )
There's a perfect model!
The model which worked for 100,000 years.
The models which don't work are the models since 1968,
which make the people crazy now for 42 years and destroy our society and culture.

[Humble Janitor]

I'd prefer a liberal, progressive society to a close-minded society that places a heavy emphasis on gender domination and suppression of minorities.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I'd prefer a liberal, progressive society to a close-minded society that places a heavy emphasis on gender domination and suppression of minorities.

Why surpression?
Why is the traditional family and traditional marriage surpression for you?
Don't you recognize how weird your words are?
For you a healty, a natural institution is "surpression".
But in fact "liberal" and "progressive" has become totalitarian and backwarded!
Liberalism in fact surpresses people.

For example in Europe, Liberalism there had the result that people don't practice their own religion anymore, churches become ruins, get sold and transformed to pubs, libraries and mosques.
Liberalism had the result that Europeans don't dare to defend themselves, because they fear to be called "racists".
And what's the result? Slowly but certainly Europe is taken over, town by town. And Liberalism prevents that anybody can do something against that.
Because then they get outcasted and outlawed by political correctness.
And so London isn't London anymore, Berlin isn't Berlin anymore, Paris isn't Paris anymore... In Brussels your dear "minorities" take over Europe's capital and shoot at policemen with assault rifles! It's so bad that EU parlamentarians demand a security wall, a green zone like in Bagdad.

And Liberalism on the 2nd front destroys the traditional family, so that the take over even comes quicker, because of the low birthrates!

And who takes over?
The ones who hold the traditional family and marriage dear and never would accept "homo-marriages". And if you think this is just a "hate-ism",
just read official demographic studies and official FBI and CIA dossiers.

Liberalism destroyed Europe, it's lost.
And America is on the same way.


You Liberals and Esoterics say: "We're all humans, we're all one big unity"
But what if the others don't think in the same way as you?
And your kind, because of your liberal beliefs, gets extinct on 2 continents?
Look what happened to Southern California, it's lost, they obviously don't think that we're all one big unity and get along, they only accept "Aztec-Mayan-Spanish".

There's the true but profane saying:
"There are never 2 puss... side by side, one puss... always becomes the dic...
and f... the other puss...!"

And that's really true!
Liberalism leads to cultural downfall.

On Above Top Secret an ex-Liberal wrote a nice piece about Southern California. Read that carefully, it will give you a shiver:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread539040/pg1

Exactly that is the result if a culture abandons the traditional family and marriage due to "Liberalism".

[Humble Janitor]

King Lear,

Blah blah blah. That's all I'm reading from you.

Any time someone uses the line "you liberals", I chuckle and think of Bill O'Reilly blowing his top whenever he disagrees with someone.

You obviously have some issues and I'd recommend that you take a moment to relax. The American media has spent years upon years demonizing liberals as being godless souls, baby killers and so forth.

What has religion ever done for humanity other than being a reason for people to kill each other in wars? Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. What have they done for humanity other than picketing soldier funerals and spewing their verbal diarrhea all over the media? What has the Pope done for humanity when he still advocates against birth control? What about Christian/Catholic missionaries that scold people in poorer countries and ensure that they remain ignorant about birth control (this one is easy: Christians need someone to send money to in order to alleviate their guilt)? The Crusades? The Holocaust? Zionists? Nation Of Islam? Orthodox Jews?

Seriously, what has religion done for humankind that has had a positive effect? You can argue for the community building on the local level but at the national level?

That is why we have no use for organized religion. Faith is something that should always be private. Can't say the same for sexual orientation but let me propose this to you: If you don't like it when gays kiss/hold hands in public, what about when heterosexuals do it? Are you opposed to the idea of straight men that cat-call at women in public or say derogatory things? Are they not affirming their heterosexuality by doing such things? What about Gay Pride parades? How are they different from say, a St.Patrick's Day parade where drunken Irish men and women (and wanna-bes as well) march out of pride for their heritage? What would you say about a white pride parade or the million man march?

There's so many more things I'd like to ask but I don't have the time nor the patience in the world to ask them. So far, it's been a waste of my energy to deal with you, King Lear.

Have a pint on me and relax.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

King Lear,Blah blah blah. That's all I'm reading from you.
Any time someone uses the line "you liberals", I chuckle and think of Bill O'Reilly blowing his top whenever he disagrees with someone. [please trim long quotes]

I don't mean American liberals exclusively, I mean liberals worldwide.
They brainwash societies until they commit collective mass suicide!

And I'm certainly not an O'Reilly-ist! I totally dispise Neocons!
They ignited unjust wars in which people on both sides die for nothing.


I totally agree to your view on ORGANIZED religion and the craziness of the WBC! I just mentioned, how crazy they may be, they still have freedom of speech, that's simply holy and paramount for me!

But you also have to confess, that you and your liberal/esoteric friends like to bash Christianity foremost, and at the same time you say almost nothing about insane Jewish orthodoxy and Islam. And even Tibetan Buddhism has it's dark side: Feudalism.

The gay director Roland Emmerich cringed in front of Islam,
in his latest movie he destroyed the St. Peters cathedral but not the Kaaba in Mecca, double standard? Betcha!
And that's the point homosexuals attack and smear Christianity with relish, the society which grants them so much freedom, but the society (Islam) which executes gays every day, they don't dare to attack.

And what's really paradox, through their decandency and social engineering gay activist destroy the civilization which protects them and make place for a society which kills them.

Britain already has several Sharia courts which have the same power as regular courts. Southern France, a traditional church region, has now more mosques than churches.
And also orthodox Judaism doesn't spare homosexuality very much.

But still homosexuals, homsexual-apologists, liberals and esoterics try to destroy this society by social engineering!


And now you ask me if I don't like it "when gays kiss/hold hands in public"?
And I clearly answer you: Yes I dislike it!
As I would dislike public pedo- or necrophilia or even
heterosexual sex in the public.

We've to respect people's feelings and protect our children from such impressions!

So if some people misbehave on St. Patricks Day, i.e. have sex in public I would condemn that as much as homosexual excesses.
Not only religion is a private issue.

And in your last words you unmask your own hipocrisy:
You sense a gay pride parade as normal, but not so a white pride parade, even not an Irish pride parade.
And LA RAZA is ok. THE RACE would be evil.
Black history month is ok. White history month would be evil.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is ok.
But the National Association for the Advancement of White People would be evil. An ADL for Jews is ok, it doesn't matter how racistic and lobby-like they are in fact. But an ADL for white people would be evil!

Hipocrisy, hipocrisy, hipocrisy...
It's so typical of you liberals!

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by MargueriteBee

I don't understand what you mean, please explain.

Irony never makes it in the net

That was meant ironically!


Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Irony never makes it in the net

That was meant ironically!


Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

Or perhaps they're just people with common sense that have gotten to a point where they no longer make such a big fuss over the things you're complaining about?

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

So I guess this means that your new avatar is less than genuine?

For the record I never called you a hater, asked if you belong here, or tried to stifle you in any way. On the contrary rather, I asked you to elaborate several times, though the only thing I really wanted an answer to is, did you choose to be heterosexual?

To be honest though, your logic is so foreign to me that I've lost any expectation that I may ever sympathise with your views. So it is my suggestion that we all simply agree to to disagree.