Pole Shift? ... Planet X Due?

wfranzen · 01-09-2010, 07:24 PM

Viking,

Sorry, but I do not know how to insert quotes into a post. You asked: "What if, the Earth is wobbling, and the N. Pole pushed away daily into artic regions. This causes a swirling and mixing of air masses and cold artic air to be dragged to lower latitudes. Caused by a magnectic pull from somewhere??"

The video you also referred to in your post, that prompted this question/speculation, is thoroughly misleading in this regard either intentionally or out of ignorance. The so called north star, polaris, is not actually at the north celestial pole. It is about 3/4 of a degree away from it. Polaris is only called the north star by convention because it currently happens to be the closest bright star to the north celestial pole. There is NO daily wobble as the video purports to show. This wikipedia article may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_Star

wfranzen

viking · 01-09-2010, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfranzen

Viking,

Sorry, but I do not know how to insert quotes into a post. You asked: "What if, the Earth is wobbling, and the N. Pole pushed away daily into artic regions. This causes a swirling and mixing of air masses and cold artic air to be dragged to lower latitudes. Caused by a magnectic pull from somewhere??"

The video you also referred to in your post, that prompted this question/speculation, is thoroughly misleading in this regard either intentionally or out of ignorance. The so called north star, polaris, is not actually at the north celestial pole. It is about 3/4 of a degree away from it. Polaris is only called the north star by convention because it currently happens to be the closest bright star to the north celestial pole. There is NO daily wobble as the video purports to show. This wikipedia article may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_Star

wfranzen

Hi Frantzen

Thanks very much for yiur feedback. Much appreciated. You obviously know your stuff. This is not my forte however your post has prompted me to do some more research, which I love doing...

So in answer to your question at the moment I will call the ignorance card. I will research some more and get back to you. Many thanks for observancy.

viking

viking · 01-11-2010, 01:22 PM

Hi Frantzen... I have done a little reseach about this so called 'wobble' which has and does exist...

One thing I will say is that it is open to interpreation as why/how ... ect etc

Here are a few links...The sites are also quite interesting...have a good read...

The Chandler wobble was first discovered back in 1891 by Seth Carlo Chandler an American astronomer. The effect causes the Earth's poles to move in an irregular circle of 3 to 15 metres in diameter in an oscillation. The Earth's Wobble has a 7 year cycle which produces two extremes, a small spiraling wobble circle and a large spiraling wobble circle, about 3.5 years apart. The Earth was in October 2005 moving into the small spiraling circle (the MIN phase of the wobble), which should have slowly unfolded during 2006 and the first few months of 2007. (Each spiraling circle takes about 14 months). But suddenly at the beginning of November 2005, the track of the location of the spin axis veered at a very sharp right angle to its circling motion.

The track of the spin axis began to slow down and by about January 8, 2006, it ceased nearly all relative motion on the x and y coordinates which are used to define the daily changing location of the spin axis.
One interesting implication is the likely increase in tectonic activity which may follow during the next 20 years or so. The last major anomaly in the MIN phase of the X WAVE was during 1936, which induced a major phase shift and sharp change in direction of the drift of the pole. Following that anomaly, the frequency of 7.0 plus quakes nearly doubled from some 18 per year to over 30 per year. The year following the anomaly saw many major increases in volcanism. We are likely headed towards a similar 20 year season of increase in tectonic activity, beginning with a major increase in volcanism during 2006-08 and the occurrence of more 7.0 plus quakes, even as many three per month for many years afterwards. This activity, combined with the effects of Global Warming on the creation of Super Storms, are likely to keep the news channels quite busy.

This anomaly will be of significant interest to fans of Edgar Cayce, the famed sleeping prophet. He predicted during the mid 1930's that a new cycle of the shifting of the poles would begin in 2000/2001 and thereafter an increase in the "upheavals" in the Earth. Since this anomaly has appeared in a "cycle" of Chandler's Wobble which began in 2000, just after the completion of the MIN PHASE in 1999, we are now seeing Cayce's prediction fulfilled with remarkable fidelity.

http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=31&Itemid=1

What I find also very interesting is NASA have suggested that we are due a Pole Shift in 2012!!! which has been documented as per link.

NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012
"The magnetic poles exchange places at the peak of the sunspot cycle. In fact, it's a good indication that Solar Max is really here." The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork. Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur. ImageAlthough solar and terrestrial magnetic fields behave differently, they do have something in common: their shape.
http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=22&Itemid=1

LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit and tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species, Dutch scientists said on Wednesday. They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22Image million years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods. "Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by intervals controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate change," Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said. The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations in the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to shifts in the tilt on the Earth on its axis. The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in precipitation, habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal Nature said. "Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such a short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the best mammal fossil records. At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the planet's climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it is difficult to predict what will happen in the future. "The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van Dam. "Biological factors are secondary, according to our results." Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=39&Itemid=1

Further reading...
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=ear...8b2be80cf6bcd7

What do I think?...perhaps we are on a different time line...

viking

wfranzen · 01-12-2010, 06:12 AM

Viking,

I originally had a much longer reponse also dicussing types of pole shifts, about which there seems to be some confusion, but lost it when I was forced to log in again. Unfortunately, I do not have time to reproduce it. The following is the short version.

I knew about the Chandler wobble. It is MINISCULE. Consider what you have said about it yourself.

The video refers to a DAILY wobble (not a 7-year one). It illustrates this using a photograph that appears to show the rotation of the stars (including Polaris) about the north celestial pole during some part of the night. The creator of the video seems to make the assumption that the direction of Polaris and the north celestial pole should coincide (they don't). Then because they don't coincide, and because Polaris rotates about the north celestial pole (it is about 3/4 of a degree away) instead of maintaining a fixed position, the video creator then claims this is evidence that the Earth is wobbling (might I say very dramatically) on a DAILY basis (poppycock).

You refer to an article with the title "NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012". This article discusses both magnetic reversals on the sun, and magnetic reversals on the Earth. The 11 and 22 year sunspot cycles are well known. The name of the article is misleading, especially given the nature of the other content on the site.

1) If you can trust the article at all, someone at NASA is saying a new SOLAR cycle has begun at a certain point in time (fair enough, some person at NASA likely made some such statement).
2) The EXPECTATION given previous SOLAR cycles has been/is? that the next solar maximum would be in 2012 or 2013.
3) The article also discusses magnetic reversals of the Earth. However, NASA is in no way, shape, or form predicting that a magnetic (or other type of) pole reversal will occur on Earth in 2012.
4) The article twists the fact that someone at NASA announced the beginning of the SOLAR cycle, and the likely true statement that the solar maximum will occur in 2012 or 2013 into "NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012". Not only is this misleading, it is not even technically true since in common usage magnetic reversals are said to occur at the minimums and not the maximums.
4) Someone either not understanding or not taking the time to understand the article might think based on the title that there would be a pole reversal on EARTH in 2012.

Also, yes, earthquake activity increased dramatically over the last few years. I don't know why.

Wolfgang / wfranzen

01-09-2010, 07:24 PM	#1
wfranzen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bellevue, WA, USA Posts: 42	Re: Pole Shift? Due? Viking, Sorry, but I do not know how to insert quotes into a post. You asked: "What if, the Earth is wobbling, and the N. Pole pushed away daily into artic regions. This causes a swirling and mixing of air masses and cold artic air to be dragged to lower latitudes. Caused by a magnectic pull from somewhere??" The video you also referred to in your post, that prompted this question/speculation, is thoroughly misleading in this regard either intentionally or out of ignorance. The so called north star, polaris, is not actually at the north celestial pole. It is about 3/4 of a degree away from it. Polaris is only called the north star by convention because it currently happens to be the closest bright star to the north celestial pole. There is NO daily wobble as the video purports to show. This wikipedia article may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_Star wfranzen

01-11-2010, 01:22 PM	#3
viking Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,709	Re: Pole Shift? Due? Hi Frantzen... I have done a little reseach about this so called 'wobble' which has and does exist... One thing I will say is that it is open to interpreation as why/how ... ect etc Here are a few links...The sites are also quite interesting...have a good read... The Chandler wobble was first discovered back in 1891 by Seth Carlo Chandler an American astronomer. The effect causes the Earth's poles to move in an irregular circle of 3 to 15 metres in diameter in an oscillation. The Earth's Wobble has a 7 year cycle which produces two extremes, a small spiraling wobble circle and a large spiraling wobble circle, about 3.5 years apart. The Earth was in October 2005 moving into the small spiraling circle (the MIN phase of the wobble), which should have slowly unfolded during 2006 and the first few months of 2007. (Each spiraling circle takes about 14 months). But suddenly at the beginning of November 2005, the track of the location of the spin axis veered at a very sharp right angle to its circling motion. The track of the spin axis began to slow down and by about January 8, 2006, it ceased nearly all relative motion on the x and y coordinates which are used to define the daily changing location of the spin axis. One interesting implication is the likely increase in tectonic activity which may follow during the next 20 years or so. The last major anomaly in the MIN phase of the X WAVE was during 1936, which induced a major phase shift and sharp change in direction of the drift of the pole. Following that anomaly, the frequency of 7.0 plus quakes nearly doubled from some 18 per year to over 30 per year. The year following the anomaly saw many major increases in volcanism. We are likely headed towards a similar 20 year season of increase in tectonic activity, beginning with a major increase in volcanism during 2006-08 and the occurrence of more 7.0 plus quakes, even as many three per month for many years afterwards. This activity, combined with the effects of Global Warming on the creation of Super Storms, are likely to keep the news channels quite busy. This anomaly will be of significant interest to fans of Edgar Cayce, the famed sleeping prophet. He predicted during the mid 1930's that a new cycle of the shifting of the poles would begin in 2000/2001 and thereafter an increase in the "upheavals" in the Earth. Since this anomaly has appeared in a "cycle" of Chandler's Wobble which began in 2000, just after the completion of the MIN PHASE in 1999, we are now seeing Cayce's prediction fulfilled with remarkable fidelity. http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=31&Itemid=1 What I find also very interesting is NASA have suggested that we are due a Pole Shift in 2012!!! which has been documented as per link. NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012 "The magnetic poles exchange places at the peak of the sunspot cycle. In fact, it's a good indication that Solar Max is really here." The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork. Earth’s magnetic field also flips, but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur. ImageAlthough solar and terrestrial magnetic fields behave differently, they do have something in common: their shape. http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=22&Itemid=1 LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Wobbles or variations in the Earth's orbit and tilt are associated with extinctions of rodent and mammalian species, Dutch scientists said on Wednesday. They studied rodent fossil records in central Spain dating back 22Image million years and found that the rise and fall of mammal species was linked to changes in the Earth's behavior which caused cooling periods. "Extinctions in rodent species occur in pulses which are spaced by intervals controlled by astronomical variations and their effects on climate change," Dr Jan van Dam, of the Utrecht University in the Netherlands, said. The researchers found two cycles corresponding to the disappearance of rodent species. One lasts 2.4 million years and is linked to variations in the Earth's orbit. The other is a 1.2 million year cycle relating to shifts in the tilt on the Earth on its axis. The cycles are associated with lower temperatures, changes in precipitation, habitats, vegetation and food availability which are the main factors influencing the extinction peaks, the study published in the journal Nature said. "Rodents are very sensitive to seasonal changes because they have such a short lifespan," said Van Dam, adding that they represent one of the best mammal fossil records. At the moment, the Earth is at the beginning of a cycle but the planet's climate system has changed so much in the past 3 million years that it is difficult to predict what will happen in the future. "The environment is responsible to what happens to species," said Van Dam. "Biological factors are secondary, according to our results." Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. http://www.polereversal.com/index.ph...id=39&Itemid=1 Further reading... http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=ear...8b2be80cf6bcd7 What do I think?...perhaps we are on a different time line... viking

01-12-2010, 06:12 AM	#4
wfranzen Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bellevue, WA, USA Posts: 42	Re: Pole Shift? Due? Viking, I originally had a much longer reponse also dicussing types of pole shifts, about which there seems to be some confusion, but lost it when I was forced to log in again. Unfortunately, I do not have time to reproduce it. The following is the short version. I knew about the Chandler wobble. It is MINISCULE. Consider what you have said about it yourself. The video refers to a DAILY wobble (not a 7-year one). It illustrates this using a photograph that appears to show the rotation of the stars (including Polaris) about the north celestial pole during some part of the night. The creator of the video seems to make the assumption that the direction of Polaris and the north celestial pole should coincide (they don't). Then because they don't coincide, and because Polaris rotates about the north celestial pole (it is about 3/4 of a degree away) instead of maintaining a fixed position, the video creator then claims this is evidence that the Earth is wobbling (might I say very dramatically) on a DAILY basis (poppycock). You refer to an article with the title "NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012". This article discusses both magnetic reversals on the sun, and magnetic reversals on the Earth. The 11 and 22 year sunspot cycles are well known. The name of the article is misleading, especially given the nature of the other content on the site. 1) If you can trust the article at all, someone at NASA is saying a new SOLAR cycle has begun at a certain point in time (fair enough, some person at NASA likely made some such statement). 2) The EXPECTATION given previous SOLAR cycles has been/is? that the next solar maximum would be in 2012 or 2013. 3) The article also discusses magnetic reversals of the Earth. However, NASA is in no way, shape, or form predicting that a magnetic (or other type of) pole reversal will occur on Earth in 2012. 4) The article twists the fact that someone at NASA announced the beginning of the SOLAR cycle, and the likely true statement that the solar maximum will occur in 2012 or 2013 into "NASA Claims Polar Shift Due In 2012". Not only is this misleading, it is not even technically true since in common usage magnetic reversals are said to occur at the minimums and not the maximums. 4) Someone either not understanding or not taking the time to understand the article might think based on the title that there would be a pole reversal on EARTH in 2012. Also, yes, earthquake activity increased dramatically over the last few years. I don't know why. Wolfgang / wfranzen

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