The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[14 Chakras]

To me, the entire point of the spiritual journey, of the Truth that will set us Free, of where humanity needs to go, all revolves around the illusion of the separate self that is the human ego.

To me the human ego is the character that was created by the illusion that we are separate and not one. Oneness is reality, but Oneness is not sameness. The ego can never understand this, because it is born of the illusion of separation. In separation we are separated from our source, from Life itSelf. We seek our self confidence outside of us, based on how we are compared to others. The ego does not seek the benefit of the whole, rather only to benefit oneself compared to others.

When we feel separate from each other and from God, suffering occurs. This is our current state in the world. Run by the ego, seeking acceptance, love, being better than our neighbor all by seeking outside of ourselves.

When we are in Oneness, we are in Oneness with our source, with the Divine. We have the ultimate Self worth, ultimate Self confidence because we are One with the infinite, I and my Father are One. We also see the infinite lives in our neighbor, and we are interconnected, we are One, so we wish only to benefit the Divine in All Life. We celebrate each other and raise up the whole rather than working to push down others, which pushes down the whole, and raises up our separate self relative to the whole.

The ego is the thinker, I think I am this or that, that is how it survives.

Pure Being is "heaven". When we are Being, we are letting the Divine in us express itSelf through us, because it is who we really are. We are the Master, not the victim. We are the co-creator.

The ego is simply unconsciousness. We sleep while it lives our life for us, and leads us to continuous karmic cycles of death and suffering, peaks and valleys, but the peaks are so far below what life is like when we are Being.

To take back control of our world, we need to take back control of our own consciousness. Be fully conscious Now. The illusion of the seperate self is what stands in the way of our own God victory.

However, the ego is not our enemy, we are not here to fight it, only the ego would fight because it would increase our seperation rather than Oneness. To overcome ego, we simply must become More conscious.

When we observe the voice in our head, the thinker, we transmute it. Simply by Being here Now, the ego is Being transmuted, Divine Alchemy is taking place.

My "I" is not my ego, my "I" is who I AM. But as soon as I am this or that, that is my ego. In my state of Being, I AM always transcending mySelf, always becoming More. My sense of identity is always expanding, One day I will be a Sun ~ a Galaxy even, Always transcending forever More. This is who I AM and I Will Be what I will Be.

Only the ego, seeks security in no-change. But Life is a river and it is always moving and becoming More. Change is cosmic law. Everything must transcend itself. Suffering results from attachment to non-transcendence, to keeping things the way they are. This is not possible, because everything must become More in the game of Life.

For me, I have committed to surrendering the ego, letting the human ego die. I have made a vow, I happily do so, to Be reborn as a caterpillar into a butterfly or even as the Phoenix that rises from it's ashes.

Beyond ego is who you and I AM. The Divine ego, that is not based on separation, rather it is based on Oneness ~ Not sameness ~ Divine Individuality ~ our Divine Blueprint in Oneness ~

Each one of us is unique and beautiful Divine Flame of God.

We are Co-Creators with God / the Infinite and we are not separated from our source. Let us remember by Being Love Now ~ who we really are ~ Mighty Co-Creators in Being in Oneness and together we will raise up All Life on this planet and fix the apparent problems we face now.

Take dominion over your planet, by letting the infinite within you take dominion over you ~ Because you see clearly this is who you really are ~ the Divine Self ~ Being below all you are above.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

To me, the entire point of the spiritual journey, of the Truth that will set us Free, of where humanity needs to go, all revolves around the illusion of the separate self that is the human ego.

To me the human ego is the character that was created by the illusion that we are separate and not one. Oneness is reality, but Oneness is not sameness. The ego can never understand this, because it is born of the illusion of separation. In separation we are separated from our source, from Life itSelf. We seek our self confidence outside of us, based on how we are compared to others. The ego does not seek the benefit of the whole, rather only to benefit oneself compared to others.

When we feel separate from each other and from God, suffering occurs. This is our current state in the world. Run by the ego, seeking acceptance, love, being better than our neighbor all by seeking outside of ourselves.

When we are in Oneness, we are in Oneness with our source, with the Divine. We have the ultimate Self worth, ultimate Self confidence because we are One with the infinite, I and my Father are One. We also see the infinite lives in our neighbor, and we are interconnected, we are One, so we wish only to benefit the Divine in All Life. We celebrate each other and raise up the whole rather than working to push down others, which pushes down the whole, and raises up our separate self relative to the whole.

The ego is the thinker, I think I am this or that, that is how it survives.

Pure Being is "heaven". When we are Being, we are letting the Divine in us express itSelf through us, because it is who we really are. We are the Master, not the victim. We are the co-creator.

The ego is simply unconsciousness. We sleep while it lives our life for us, and leads us to continuous karmic cycles of death and suffering, peaks and valleys, but the peaks are so far below what life is like when we are Being.

To take back control of our world, we need to take back control of our own consciousness. Be fully conscious Now. The illusion of the seperate self is what stands in the way of our own God victory.

However, the ego is not our enemy, we are not here to fight it, only the ego would fight because it would increase our seperation rather than Oneness. To overcome ego, we simply must become More conscious.

When we observe the voice in our head, the thinker, we transmute it. Simply by Being here Now, the ego is Being transmuted, Divine Alchemy is taking place.

My "I" is not my ego, my "I" is who I AM. But as soon as I am this or that, that is my ego. In my state of Being, I AM always transcending mySelf, always becoming More. My sense of identity is always expanding, One day I will be a Sun ~ a Galaxy even, Always transcending forever More. This is who I AM and I Will Be what I will Be.

Only the ego, seeks security in no-change. But Life is a river and it is always moving and becoming More. Change is cosmic law. Everything must transcend itself. Suffering results from attachment to non-transcendence, to keeping things the way they are. This is not possible, because everything must become More in the game of Life.

For me, I have commuted to surrendering the ego, letting the human ego die. I have made a vow, I happilly do so, to Be reborn as a caterpillar into a butterfly or even as the Phoenix that rises from it's ashes.

Beyond ego is who you and I AM. The Divine ego, that is not based on separation, rather it is based on Oneness ~ Not sameness ~ Divine Individuality ~ our Divine Blueprint in Oneness ~

Each one of us is unique and beautiful Divine Flame of God.

We are Co-Creators with God / the Infinite and we are not separated from our source. Let us remember by Being Love Now ~ who we really are ~ Mighty Co-Creators in Being in Oneness and together we will raise up All Life on this planet and fix the apparent problems we face now.

Take dominion over your planet, by letting the infinite within you take dominion over you ~ Because you see clearly this is who you really are ~ the Divine Self ~ Being below all you are above.

Thak you.
Beautifully put 14 Chakras

Chris
Namaste

[kriya]

When this I shall die, than I know who am I.

Paramahansa Yogananda.

He also said that the ego was a great obstruction to higher states of consciousness.

And yes 14 Chakras you write very eloquently.

Love,

Kriya

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by kriya

When this I shall die, than I know who am I.

Paramahansa Yogananda.

He also said that the ego was a great obstruction to higher states of consciousness.

And yes 14 Chakras you write very eloquently.

Love,

Kriya

Thanks Kriya (as in Yoga?)

I have read several books by Yogananda.
"Divine romance" moved me to tears


Think Jesus said you have to die to yourself - to be born again ?
Chris
Namaste

[kriya]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Thanks Kriya (as in Yoga?)

I have read several books by Yogananda.
"Divine romance" moved me to tears


Think Jesus said you have to die to yourself - to be born again ?
Chris
Namaste

Yes I love Yogananda a lot and yes as in Yoga. He also met Ramana Mahashi and said that if he would have spent just half an hour more with him he would never have left. I think Ramana was the probably the greatest sage/saint of the 20th Century.

I believe Jesus was talking of the ego too. For if you can dissolve the ego you can be reborn as a God conscious being.

But transcending it is very difficult, because of our conditioning ,and needs upmost vigilence. Analysing your thoughts is very important I believe. As well as trying to treat and love all beings as your brother and sister, very tricky...

[greybeard]

So how to transcend the ego.

Mine is work in progress.

What I have found greatly increased peace of mind and therfore the degree of silence is the following.

Find a quiet place in nature, for me it was a loch, I spent time watching ducks without comenting labeling, totaly in the moment, fully present.
Of course my mind wasent to happy with this and tried to get my attention. It took time a lot of it, many visits, to get to a degree of single minded ness.
I was amazed to find how much more alive the experience was because I refrained from talking to myself about it,

Next stage was in meditation, first to be totaly aware of the energy in the body, to feel the course of the breath moving in the body.

I had a very stressfull life having been in buisness and at night my mind was full of past and future, it literalily exhausted me. I was advised to stop talking to myself. Was there two of me. Well two voices in the head, one I had control over, the other the ego. So when my other mind was in action reminding me of what I had to do and failed to do I just let it be, dident feed it with atention dident ignore it just let it be. It kicked and strugled screamed and shouted like a little child. (not literalily just painting pictures) bit by bit it gave up shouting for attention.

It helps if you can see it also as having two minds, one being the working practical mind and the other being emotional/egoic,
The practical mind will allways be there.

I have let go of having to be right, what a relief that is, try it for just one day and see what happens, I asked myself would I rather be right than happy. No contest. Somtimes I am right and happy but thats effortless -- nothing to prove.

Anyway enough for now.
love
Chris ---- whatever he is

[Carmen]

Yes greybeard, just to let everything 'Be' with no comment, in the "Now", thats where and when all can be revealed. Doesnt need to be fixed, judged or anything, just observed! Although with people still playing the game of action/ reaction, it really pisses them off. As Ramtha says, 'it causes them to blow their spiritual noses'. Allowing all to 'Be' just as it is, is very 'Freeing'.

The test for us learning to go beyond the ego state is whether any of our 'buttons' are being pushed. If they are then there, right 'there' is the learning. We should hug people who rattle our cages, they are our teachers. That is where intense 'self inquiry' comes in. Our world and all in it are 'us', aspects of 'us'. Our job is to understand all this. Then our consciousness can expand into All that Is.

Love

Carmen.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Carmen

Yes greybeard, just to let everything 'Be' with no comment, in the "Now"

Agree - that is what I was alluding to earlier.

The theory is the easy part - the practice is the hard part

A..

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Carmen

just to let everything 'Be' with no comment, in the "Now", thats where and when all can be revealed.
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I actually don't agree with this (with upmost respect and without judgement). I believe you have to say no to injustice etc... For me the key is to not be attached or become emotionally involved in difficult situations. I know I may have it wrong as acceptance and surrender are extremely important, however there is righteous anger (like Jesus with the money lenders).

Love,

Kriya

[greybeard]

Eckhart Tolle, covers the subject beautifully, one comment of his that springs to mind is "Dont take your thoughts too seriously" Dr David Hawkins goes a step further " All thoughts are falacious" however you would have to read the rest of what he said to put it into context.

It really is complex and thats where missunder standings arrise.
Total acceptance being in the now dosent mean action is not taken.
Unconditional love is not warm and fuzzy it means loving the essence of all, the spirit/soul whatever. It does not mean condoning actions. Naievety== cant spell.---is not helpfull. As spritual energy evolves/ rises to the point that unconditional love is possible, the third eye begins to open so that discernment takes place and right action occours.

There is also an understanding that nothing escapes the law of Karma and there are consequences for every action.

Seeming victims are somtimes recieving back what they did to others in this life or past life. Its not for me to judge the right or wrong of anything.

Somtimes when another is suffering one is moved by compassion to do what can be done somtimes not.

If all action is done with integrity and the end result surrendered to God then no personal karma is incurred. If one claim the result of good action then positive karma is incurred, then you have to come back another life time to enjoy the fruits of your actions

So if you dont want to come back in humility and gratitude --- surender -- surender -- surender. This also helps you to transcend ego.
It all depends on your spiritual goal. If you want enlightenment ( the ultimate goal of spiritual endevour in this world) thats what you do according to those who are in that state. Final result is by the Grace of God.

Anyone here Kundalini awakened?

Chris
Namaste

[fr66ajc]

Greetings... interesting thread.

For me the ego is 'me' where-as the spirit is the 'I'; as in the purest 'I am', the purest state of beingness.

I don't profess to know a huge amount about this but I have always likened the ego to the more animal instincts we have to deal with, and in these, desire (jealousy, envy etc etc) is the most destructive when you are trying to progress to a more enlightened view point. Desire, or wanting something, is often the catalyst for life's troubles. Need is not desire, the body needs water to survive, and the ego directs your actions to obtain water, thus the ego is a good and worthy companion, however if the ego directs you to murder your neighbour just to get a glass of water then that is where the ego destroys your progress (not to mention the other persons).

Survival on this planet requires an ego, but in my opinion, enlightenment is a state in which spirit has attained mastery over the ego. The ego becomes a tool to be consciously used rather than it using and directing you. Destroy the ego and you destroy your ability to function in this reality.

My 2 pence anyway.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by fr66ajc

Greetings... interesting thread.

For me the ego is 'me' where-as the spirit is the 'I'; as in the purest 'I am', the purest state of beingness.

I don't profess to know a huge amount about this but I have always likened the ego to the more animal instincts we have to deal with, and in these, desire (jealousy, envy etc etc) is the most destructive when you are trying to progress to a more enlightened view point. Desire, or wanting something, is often the catalyst for life's troubles. Need is not desire, the body needs water to survive, and the ego directs your actions to obtain water, thus the ego is a good and worthy companion, however if the ego directs you to murder your neighbour just to get a glass of water then that is where the ego destroys your progress (not to mention the other persons).

Survival on this planet requires an ego, but in my opinion, enlightenment is a state in which spirit has attained mastery over the ego. The ego becomes a tool to be consciously used rather than it using and directing you. Destroy the ego and you destroy your ability to function in this reality.

My 2 pence anyway.

Your observation re the animal like qualities of ego are correct.

We come into this world with a brain that has evolved from reptilian to animal. The main part of the brain is still animal in construction appart from the front cortex which is relatively new, So yes it was necessary for survival, however we are an evolutionary species and according to those who are in an enlightened state, they function in a more alive fashion in an egoless state.
Its not possible to be enlightened and have an ego which is the me not the I
There is little self and Self. Me or I as you put it.

We wil always have a working brain in this reality.

To give an example.
Picture a surgeon conducting an opperation he has performed sucesfully thousands of times. All is going well then an assistanr says.
Do you know who we are working on? --Its Mr X the most important and influential person we have ever worked on. If we screw this up we will never work again.
If the working mind stays in control doing what it does best then all will be well, but if the emotional egoic me gets in there anything may happen -- the routine opp becomes so stresfull and who works at their best under stress.

So the ego has served us well it has got us this far but its time to move on if the pundits are to be believed.

Eckhart Tolle said "We are on the verge of the bigest step forward in the evolution of mankind since we left the sea, we have to evolve if mankind to survive"
So this reality is changing perhaps.

Who knows on that one? I dont


Chris
Namaste

[Carmen]

The control of our emotional body is a biggy. Thats all tied up with ego and its soo addictive! Reading Dolores Cannons books and others it seems that humanity's out of control emotions make us like loose cannons, dangerous to ourselves and to the cosmos. I know that learning to control emotions (and Im still learning) was a biggy for me, but, oh so freeing to the extent I have been able to.

Greybeard, can you describe Kundalini awakening?

Love

Carmen

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Carmen

The control of our emotional body is a biggy. Thats all tied up with ego and its soo addictive! Reading Dolores Cannons books and others it seems that humanity's out of control emotions make us like loose cannons, dangerous to ourselves and to the cosmos. I know that learning to control emotions (and Im still learning) was a biggy for me, but, oh so freeing to the extent I have been able to.

Greybeard, can you describe Kundalini awakening?

Love

Carmen

Hi Carmen
What I know of this is personal experience and also what I have read of mainly Indian teachers writing.
I will give you a few of the physical symptoms and see if it resonates with you.

In the early stages during meitation there may be an intense itching/burning sensation in the scalp/crown chakra. There may be a pulling sensation at the third eye, as though some one put a suction cup on your forehead and is pulling gently.
At some point there will definately a stiring ( like some one waking from a deep sleep becoming restless) feeling at the perenium, after a while and it may take months, there is a feeling of energy "chi" rising up the spine from the perenium its thin and weak to begin with and may only go as far as the second chakra to begin with, it will in stages continue to rise, chakra by chakra, getting stronger and thicker tough the leading part is still thin as yet, it gets up to the crown then to the third eye. It happens spontaniously now not just when meditating. With me it is as far as the third eye. what may happen now, hopefully by the Grace of God, is that the presence which is I that dwells in the spiritual heart rises up and joins with Kundalini at the third eye and then together as one rise into the crown chakra and on higher.
It is important to meditate with the tongue touching the roof of the mouth.

There are other indicators but that will do for the moment.

Thank you for your interest.

Chris
Namaste

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by kriya

I actually don't agree with this (with upmost respect and without judgement). I believe you have to say no to injustice etc... For me the key is to not be attached or become emotionally involved in difficult situations. I know I may have it wrong as acceptance and surrender are extremely important, however there is righteous anger (like Jesus with the money lenders).

There is no such thing as righteous anger (loss of control) that's just an excuse and just prooved Jesus was human like the rest of us.

As to justice - injustice - how can you have it without judgement. Judgement is an artifact of the ego.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

A..

[kriya]

Originally Posted by Anchor

There is no such thing as righteous anger (loss of control) that's just an excuse and just prooved Jesus was human like the rest of us.

As to justice - injustice - how can you have it without judgement. Judgement is an artifact of the ego.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

A..

Hello Anchor,

I have to go to work soon so won't be able to reply and I'm sorry if I digress.

But I believe in some instances judgements have to be made for example between good and evil. Do you believe in a just war? I believe one has to take a stand against evil and therefore make a judgement. For instance, the allies were right to fight Hitler and the Nazis.

Love,

Kriya

[371]

Be humble. Don't put yourself above others. Be selfless. Simple.

[14 Chakras]

To me, Being holds the keys to Mastery.

As Carmen said, Mastering emotions is key part of the journey.

Each of us has an emotional body. The emotional Body is our Astral Body, the Astral realm is symbolized by water, it is the water realm.

Jesus story demonstrates our own path in overcoming the ego, and letting it die on the cross to Be reborn as who we are in Oneness with the I AM within rather than separate from it.

Early in Jesus mission, he walks on water. This symbolizes mastery of your emotional body. It is a step along the path to Christhood. Master your emotions by observing them rather than attaching yourself to them. You are More, you are the conscious Light beyond the emotions, not the emotions themselves.

I agree with Kriya in that I believe if we "Let things be as they are" then things will not turn out well, we are co-creators and this world is our charge, we reap as we sew.

Being is what is required.

Being means being fully present in the Now and letting the Divine work through us to shine the Light on the darkness of this world. Only when we shine the Light on darkness will it turn into Light.

To me, Being beyond ego doesn't mean sitting in cave meditating. It means taking dominion over our planet and letting the Divine within bring forth practical solutions that are required for humanities problems at this time.

Jesus chasing out the money changers symbolizes exposing the lies and hypocrisy in the religions of this world, the religions than deny the God in God's children and worship the Golden Calf, the Graven Image they have created of the God outside of themselves and turned it into a business.

Here is a great teaching that clearly explains, from a first person perspective, why Jesus chased the Money Changers out of the temple:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/P_JesusA...ychangers.html

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Your ego is here to look after your physical body, to make sure it gets enough to eat, to make sure it does not walk over the edge of a cliff or damage itself unknowingly. Your ego is the steward and potential master of all material-plane fears, an important and necessary component of your identity. However, your ego was never meant to provide you with your primary sense of self.
In a healthy state, the ego is a secondary component of identity.
In a healthy state, the Being behind all being, the self behind every self, the Great Spirit behind all of creation is experienced as your primary sense of self. Your ego does not have to be repressed or transcended for this to happen. It does not have to die. It simply has to assume an appropriate relationship with "the spirit that in truth you are", the spirit that wants to incarnate and take up residence in your body/mind/heart system.
Your ego is by nature a reflection. It can either be a good, sharp, clear reflection, or it can try to be an independent reflection. Yet logic shows there is no such thing as an "independent reflection." Your ego may create such an illusion; but if you believe in it, you will be troubled and unfulfilled.
When your ego stops "trying to do everything all by itself", and invites eternal spirit into your consciousness, your historical illusion evaporates like mist on a sunny morning. A polarity reversal takes place in the charge of your human envelope. The field of consciousness around you changes. Instead of your ego dominating your sense of identity and blocking your awareness of the Great Spirit, an eternal sense of self awakens within you. You know yourself as a projection of the Creator of all the stars in the sky. You know yourself as one of a family of god-beings, sharing God's Being. You remember. Everything is seen differently. The world is perceived anew through the eyes of a universal awareness. Your ego becomes your working partner, and you commence the conscious creation of a new human reality.

From "Return of the Bird Tribes", by Ken Carey

[greybeard]

There is a lot of interesting thoughts on the the tread and that is great.

Enlightenment is an egoless state as verified by every enlightened being.

Trouble is definition.

We are not the ego.

Atributes of what we are truly can mistakenly be attributed to the ego.

The ego is animalistic self serving at the expense of other.

Higher self looks after all our needs, the ego thinks otherwise.

The ego is a seperation device and seperates one from God ie duality.

Regarding war.

There is a big difference between instigating a war and defending by fighting.
It all comes down to intention.
It is honerable and nobel to defend country, family and self.
It is not honerable to say everything is all right and put the head in the sand.
However it comes down to integrity and context.
If your faith forbids you under any circumstances to shed anothers blood that is different. however that is personal the person may still be moved to lay down his life for family. Different circumstances but allways the spiritual intention is the deciding factor,

Hope this is helpful.

Regards Chris

[mikey]

Hi...imo, the ego collectively and or individually affects the emotional body using past experiences and future desires as a means of achieving its status. This in turn further affects us mentally, spiritually and emotionally. We are our ego and it is not separate from us. Therefore we must learn from it and know when it comes into play. Simply put, absolutely everything that we experience comes down to a choice. It is you, i and us that chooses our experience...and when that is truly understood we can start to work with our ego and not for our ego. Peace always, mikey

[mikey]

peace

[greybeard]

I would respectfully sugest that a good book to read on the subject is
Discovery of God ( Devotional Nonduality) by David R Hawkins MD Ph.D
Who is in the enlightened state.

A little about myself.
In my twenties I suffered Alcholism and through AA became a recovering alcholic. The twelve step program led me into the spiritual serch.
Up till then my ego was in control, it thought it could control my drinking Ha Ha!!!! I had to get enough humility to realise that only a power greater than myself could lead me to sanity. I had to hit rock bottom first.

I can thank my ego for leading me to the depth of suicidal dispare and therfore getting me on the path of enlightenment.

Im dyslexic so spelling I hope you forgive.

Anyway It became obvious that the only true way to learn anything was to listen to those who have done it, not theory or second hand, so the same applies to the spiritual path regarding enlightenment.

Aside from those in India (my avatar picture is the late Ramana) the only enlightened ones I know of are Eckhart Tolle and David Hawkins, im sure there are others.
Awake is not the same as enlightened.

The caterpiller becomes the butterfly its that different.

Only God (which we are) walks through the final door of enlightenment.
We are waves of the Divine Ocean. The Ocean can say it is the wave but the wave cannot say it is the Ocean.

There is a big difference between talking about it and being it.
Enlightend beings are it.
The ego likes to thing it can be an enlightened ego, sorry it cant.
Hope this is helpfull

With respect Chris

[mikey]

Much love and festive blessings to you chris, thank you kindly for the reading recommendation, i shall chase it up. Peace always

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by mikey

Much love and festive blessings to you chris, thank you kindly for the reading recommendation, i shall chase it up. Peace always

Same to you Mickey.
Much love Chris