Unknown virus kills in the west of Ukraine

[Sarahmay]

More than 70 have died, and it doesn't resemble the NWO swine flu symptoms. This seems to be something else.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

More than 70 have died, and it doesn't resemble the NWO swine flu symptoms. This seems to be something else.

Maybe its the follow-up to the swine flu, much more lethal. Could explain why the supposed shortage of vaccines for the H1N1.....they probably decided to not waste any more money on that one, & instead put out this new virus, which appears to be more deadly & there is no vaccine for it.

[pyrangello]

There's another strain coming from south america heading north as well. Might be time to saddle up and get ready for a bumpy ride, remember no fear based mentality, just reason.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by pyrangello

There's another strain coming from south america heading north as well. Might be time to saddle up and get ready for a bumpy ride, remember no fear based mentality, just reason.

have not come across anything of this one....where did you hear this......time to batten down the hatches......their coming at us from all sides

[Metaphor]

Ex mossad agent claims the Ukranian outbreak is started by Baxter:

http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-mo...ccine-westwood

[pyrangello]

I'm thinking it was argentina or that area, have heard it over interviews 2 or 3 times, Its was I think another form of the H1N1 . but there was definately something coming in from the south heading north.

[waitinginthewings]

Here is an interview from yesterday. Jeff Rense interviews Dr. Henry Niman on the situation in Ukraine

http://www.rense.com/

Scroll down the page & the interview is right at the top of the list.

He paints a grim picture of the overall situation. Worth listening to.

[lucrum]

Seems I posted on a discontinued thread about this, but I'm gonna say the same thing here.

It is now claimed this is H1N1, nothing else. I don't get how they can say it's not H1N1, then completely turn around and suddenly say it is. Around here the media is using it as an excuse as to why we should take the shot. Is this why? More fear propaganda to scare the masses into vaccination?

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_03/en/index.html

I don't buy it, and neither does a few of my fellow countrymen which have pressed charges towards our health officials for actively spreading fear mongering propaganda and blatantly lie about the severeness and deadlyness of H1N1, not to mention the safety of the fluvaccine.

We got 29 official reports on severe/unusual sideeffects of the vaccine here now, along with one death that occured 3 days after a woman in her twenties took the shot. She was in the highrisk group for fatal H1N1. It's denied that the vaccine had anything to do with the sudden, unexpected death after taking the vaccine.

Compare that to, what, 5 deaths and severeal hundred reports of severe reactions in Sweden, I'm thinking numbers around here is hushed down.

Today it was mentioned on tv, right after childrens tv, that kids up to 14 years of age are in the biggest risk of getting this flu. I find this as a repulsive attempt to scare the kids, so they in turn will turn on their parents if they choose not to take the shot.

I'd kick some butts if I thought it would help, and I wasn't in need of darn crutches cause of my recent ancle surgery! :P

[pyrangello]

Lucrum, go to www.planforflu.com , you are almost saying the same words as they use, they are updating their site every few days as things are changing. This is an open to the public site. Good Info.

[lucrum]

Read the first page there and I agree...with some of it.

I'm not sure I totally get what message they are trying to spread on that site. In some ways they seem against the vaccine, but later on they write as if they are supporting the vaccine but don't agree that governments have enough of it.

Swedish government have been accused of foul play, norwegian have been accused of foul play. There are people all over, saying they have prime evidence to their claims. I don't think everyone is in on it, not all government officials know that this whole thing is a lie.

The lack of information regarding a common factor for those who contracted severe illness from the otherwise harmless A/H1N1 virus, is making me very very suspicious.
The fact that we have an estimate of 1400-1500 deaths from seasonal flu every year, is making me call bs on this one.

15 people dead so far here, only 2 was known to be "healthy". So far, nothing to see here.

I saw a clip from one of the labs testing for H1N1 in samples taken from suspected patients. None of them wore masks or seemed to take any measure at all against the virus they are testing. Health officials here said sneezing or coughing inside you elbow was not a safe measure against spreading the virus. In fact, she said it increased the chance of spread because it dried up in the fabric of your clothes and was spread by air that way...

Tell me, since when did these viruses start to survive in such enviroments? What makes our health departement go against all other nations in the world on this one?

I'm not personally taking any measure against swineflu or any other flu. I rarely get the flu at all, and if I do I'm sick for like 2 days without even a fever.
I'm gonna stay positive and never worry, I have enough experience to know that mental unbalance is more than enough to catch every decease out there.

70% effectiveness for "immunization" from the flu-shot, and even then you might get sick. Either from the flu or from the shot itself.
What the heck is so great about that!?

[Humble Janitor]

Hard to fight fear with all of these reports.

Though I believe that one way or another, the criminals responsible for engineering these viruses will pay one way or another.

[burgundia]

Apparently the virus is moving east.....affecting the eastern regions of Ukraine. So far 81 deaths due to the virus ( but do we really know what virus?)

[pyrangello]

Burgundia, please keep us updated as this may be a front line info for us in other areas of the world , on the rense interview the one doctor that gave his opinion said there was only one official that was keeping track in an area that had a popualtion of 5 million. His concern was that of the people who were sick vs. the amount of fatalities we were already at the 1% fatality rate that being equal to 1918 which was a big concern as this is escalating and the lack of information as well.

HJ keep the fear in check , were all in this together. Staying educated is your biggest offense.

[Ancient Alien]

Recent observation from Ukraine:
"In Kiev young people ask and dig for information about the 15 low flying aircrafts that each day at the same time poured out with what is described as white powders, one of the major television channels in Ukraine, Novy Kanal, told Today that aircraft is spraying the city with antibodies to decrease the number of infected people. Lemons and garlic now costs about 25 U.S. kilo in Ukraine, compared to 8.10 U.S. for only a month ago. People we talked to in Ukraine when we were there on a visit for about 2 weeks ago and friends from Ukraine on the Internet, does not take the media and flu propaganda seriously, fortunately, they know there is a conspiracy, and many believe it is a stunt with NWO and to prevent Julia Timoschenko win votes ahead of elections which is in January. Chemtrails are also very much informed about, thanks to the internet. "

(Retrieved from: http://www.nyhetsspeilet.no/2009/11/norge-har-kj% c3% b8pt-en-mindreverdig-svinefluvaksine/comment-page-4 # comments by M. JOHAN)

[waitinginthewings]

Reported Cases in Ukraine Double in Two Days

Filed Under Pandemic, Ukraine

* 478,456 Influenza/ARI
* 24,003 Hospitalized
* 60 Ventilators
* 81 Deaths

The above numbers are from the latest update from Ukraine. The number of infected patients has almost doubled to just under ½ million, compared to the report two days ago (see map). Hospitalized patients also have spiked higher, to 24K from 15K. ICU cases are not listed, but 60 on ventilators are. However, most (37) of those on ventilators are Chernivisti Oblast, but Lviv, which has the most fatalities and cases, has none, suggesting the data is incomplete or there are significant shortages of ventilators. The number of dead has risen to 81, but media reports describe additional fatalities, include those in the Kiev Oblast. contd/...................................

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.o...e-in-two-days/

[burgundia]

prominent Polish politicians are now openly saying that the flu pandemic is a hoax , that it is suspecious that governments are ordering the vaccines, and that pharmaceutical companies are in cahoots with governments and with one another.

[viking]

Panic in Ukraine, Authorities deny aircraft are spraying aerosols over cities, Martial Law expected

program on November 1, 2009

The office of Emergency Response in the district of Desniansko, Kiev, are tonight (30th Oct.) strongly refuting reports that light aircraft were spraying a substance over the city intended to counter a “swine flu pandemic” in Ukraine.

It was reported that light aircraft were seen over the Forest market area of the city (close to the Forest metro station) and they were spraying an aerosol substance intended to “counter swine flu”, this of course would constitute forced medication of the population.

The editors of local newspapers in Kiev received dozens of phone calls from concerned residents and shop owners in the Forest market area of the city reporting they had observed several light airplanes circling in the sky during the day spraying an unidentified aerosol into the atmosphere.

Retailers and local business people reported they were advised to “stay indoors” during the day by local authorities.

Local newspapers contacted government administrators in Kiev and were told that “no permission had been granted today (30th Oct.) for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits”. Also local FM radio stations in Kiev were regularly refuting the reports during broadcasts today, apparently under duress from local authorities.

Reports of helicopters and light airplanes spraying aerosols over Kiev, Lviv, Ternopil, and other cities throughout Ukraine are tonight flooding online forums and websites, hundreds of people have verified the reports with their own eye-witness accounts.

On 30th October President Viktor Yushchenko ordered the Ministry of Defense to establish mobile military hospitals throughout Ukraine, to assist and provide “essential medications” to people with swine-flu. Yushchenko has also ordered medical personnel from the reserve defense forces to report for duty.

An order from President Yushchenko is expected soon that will effectively place Ukraine under “martial law”.
“Due to the complex epidemiological situation in the western regions of Ukraine, where tens of thousands of people have become ill, thousands are in hospital, and dozens have died.”

Nine regions of Ukraine have declared a quarantine around the country and public events have been banned (including the elections).The Clergy have been ordered not to hold any Church or religious services on Sundays or to gather a congregation for any reason whatsoever. Police are also enforcing the compulsory wearing of protective face masks, any driver caught not wearing a mask faces harsh legal penalties.

Earlier, health authorities in western Ukraine reported a “severe outbreak of UNIDENTIFIED Influenza, suspected by doctors to be a form of viral pneumonia”. The disease has already claimed a number of lives in the region. In Lviv, schools have been closed and authorities are conducting emergency meetings to determine how to deal with the outbreak.

http://dprogram.net/2009/11/01/panic...-law-expected/

viking

[lucrum]

Do Ukrainian scientists still claim the unidentified influenza to be just that, unidentified?

It would be great to know, since WHO and practically everyone else is reporting that the formerly unknown strain is H1N1 and nothing else. Are these reports fabricated to make it look like just another severe case of the swineflu to people outside the country?

[lucrum]

Ukrainian minister of health says swineflu hysteria is a politically and media produced phenomenon, with no roots in reality:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/03/203066

[viking]

Like I said they (ptw)are trying to RAMP this up...

Let your thoughts travel elsewhere towards a positive outcome...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmxT21uFRwM

viking

[burgundia]

It's a pity we do not have anybody from ukraine to tell us what the situation is really like. A few days ago I watched a video from Ukrainian street. The people were calm, going about their own business....For sure it is now difficult to buy garlic...

[WiNaDeYo]

This is a good source for keeping up on the "official" reports :

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/woalert...t=dis&lang=eng

I have found this interesting :
04.11.2009 19:00
Press office of President Victor Yushchenko
President's address to the Ukrainian people on the occasion of flu epidemic in Ukraine

http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/15609.html

And here's another reference saying that it's really Plague:

http://preventdisease.com/news/09/11...hal_H1N1.shtml

The Ukraine people are in my prayers.

Peace and Good Will!

[waitinginthewings]

There is also conflicting information about the use of masks. I have seen interviews with Dr's who said that the masks are useless in protecting from the virus......& yet the people in Ukraine are being told to wear them. I also have seen people in the US & Canada wearing them. Wish we had the straight goods on this.

[waitinginthewings]

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspo...f-web-bot.html

Tuesday, November 10, 2009
An Email To Me From Clif High Of Web bot Regarding The Ukraine Situation
I had emailed Clif High the following today 11/10/09


Hi Clif,

I am very sorry to bother you, but I do have a Big question.

I have started a blog - about all the information available (MSM isn't touching) of what is going on in the Ukraine. I don't know if you realize everything happening, but over One million people are sick within a week there - and the doctors have said it is the pneumonic plague.

I know you don't go to sites around the net etc. I am still linking it here - I update it constantly all day with the latest news - that I dig up.
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

I am keeping trying to keep it as a strict news source only (not throwing in all the conspiracies except some Russian articles today -sure are loaded up with real information that is conspiracy theorist dreams!).

But, besides that - this started exactly on the dates of the "bleeding lungs" prediction and "ill winds" (positive eyewitnesses say low flying planes were spraying the Ukraine, the day before this huge out break).

One question - this is the Hit for the bot as far as I am concerned and the Ill winds fit - my question is -where does the around the world 9 times come in? Once it goes around the world and it is there -how 9 times? Do you agree, this is the Hit for the bot this is the bleeding lungs and ill winds?

I will not be putting this in the blog - but it is something I have been contemplating and trying to figure out. Unless you agree to me putting your answer on my blog - and I would do it on my other blog - that has a lot about the webbot (sherriequestioningall blog) .

Sherrie


Clif's Email back to me

Sherrie

yes, i am sadly of the opinion that the linguistics coming out of ukraine do fit the patterns forecast. Further the disease descriptions are very close (74%) to the forecast ill winds descriptors. So, likely this will be the beginning of round 1/one of the 9 times. The numbers may not be accurate of course, and may be archetypic to merely 'around the world many times'. We will see over these next few months. I await the Olympics with some interest to see
how TPTB will handle the 'disease' issue there and then.

Sure, post is fine.
clif


Now regarding the Olympics and Web bot Prediction

***Note - if you are not familiar with the prediction for the Olympics - I will briefly say - THINK UKRAINE EVENTS - Happening Right Now** The Prediction - is basically A releasing (spraying?) in Area during the Olympics of a horrible disease (plague, like Ukraine?) and Death following - people carrying it around the world from there.**
Posted by Sherrie Questioning All at 6:07 PM

Also check out this site for info on the Belarus situation.
http://ukraineplague.blogspot.com/

[TruthWillSetUFree]

New Report on the flu killing people-this does not sound good people
They are saying you can get it through the eyes and goes directly into the lungs.
Original link here http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html


Friday, November 13, 2009

And yes, I realise this is an INFORMATION WAR but we need to get to the truth. If this is ********, I'll pull it. Otherwise, here's a very shocking report from 6 hours ago, via a Russian Newspaper. Ready? Then read on.

All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.

For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus.

Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime. [source MEDIA INTERNATIONAL NEWS]

If any of this turns out to be even a bit true, can some POLICE start arresting some ****ing bioweaopn engineers already? This is REAL SERIOUS. There's no way this is A-H1N1. There's absolutely NO HAEMORRHAGIC COMPONENT to 'swine flu'. And there's no such thing as VIRAL pneumonic plague - it's bacterial. So, someone's released some sort of strange CHIMERA virus or something. It's a sick multi-strain deadly flu. Cooked in the lab.