SaLuSa 16-October-2009

[no caste]

Originally Posted by charioteer

Nicely put. But to that I would add that living in so-called evil roles is part of the process of evolving. You have to experience both "sides" in other words to become a whole being and to understand the dynamics of good and evil.

hi charioteer -

I know I've brushed you off like what's-his-name with the comb-over. BUT, I have a question here, if you'd be kind enough to consider.

With unconditional love (fine) there is also justice. How can justice be met, be seen to be met. It's true that people make mistakes, operate out of misinformed positions, would like to change. This is what the AA 12 step program is for, reconciliation with hurts on others to heal oneself. It's hand in hand.

If I go to the store and rob it, I'm pretty certain there will be consequences, with the law, my soul, my family, my karma. I might choose to do it anyway. Or maybe I'm a drug addict and just see that. All societies have structures in place for this kind of thing. Could the PTW go to prison like the rest of us, and do good there by making license plates?

regards

[14 Chakras]

Unconditional love is not fluffy love that loves the illusion. Unconditional love is the love that demands creation moves past the suffering, becomes more.

Justice is a component of unconditional love, you reap as you sew.

For it is better for someone to be thrown in a lake with a rock tied to their neck than to abuse the little ones.

Unconditional love is the love that is willing to challenge the illusion so that beings that are trapped in suffering can remember who they are beneath the darkness.

It is time for the light to shined on the darkness on planet earth and it will be up to co-creators to be an open door for the infinite within themselves to do that.

For all that is hidden will be revealed. The dark forces have hidden much, and the great revealing is coming. It will be light bearers here in embodiment, those who choose to Be in alignment with the great divine director within who will be doing the revealing and it has already started.

It is up to you to shine your light, but first, we must shine the light on our own darkness...

[charioteer]

Originally Posted by no caste

hi charioteer -

I know I've brushed you off like what's-his-name with the comb-over. BUT, I have a question here, if you'd be kind enough to consider.

With unconditional love (fine) there is also justice. How can justice be met, be seen to be met. It's true that people make mistakes, operate out of misinformed positions, would like to change. This is what the AA 12 step program is for, reconciliation with hurts on others to heal oneself. It's hand in hand.

If I go to the store and rob it, I'm pretty certain there will be consequences, with the law, my soul, my family, my karma. I might choose to do it anyway. Or maybe I'm a drug addict and just see that. All societies have structures in place for this kind of thing. Could the PTW go to prison like the rest of us, and do good there by making license plates?

regards

The job of the powers that be here on earth now is to mimic the collective consciousness of the populace and give them challenges and obstacles that are up to par with where they (the people) are evolutionarily speaking. When they kill, it hurts us all, them and the people. When they deceive, they have to live with that low vibrational action as do the people. If We, the citizens of earth, want killing, deceptions, and shadow governments to end, it is up to us, the people, to change ourselves so that greater challenges can be placed before us. The illuminati, in a way, only do what is the collective subconscious will of the people. They teach what is needed, based on the level we're at, in the way that is necessary, for us all to move along to the next step.

This does not mean that, because the powers that be have the tough job of running the planet that they are above karma; rather, it means, that behind their power they are just like the rest of us, subject to ordinary suffering, and karma. That said, their karma will probably not involve many of them going to prison, no, because they are only doing the work that is needed to wake us up. There are different circumstances, and some might (some do), but basically, no, prison won't be in the cards for most of them, though karmically they will still have to experience the other side of what they, personally, have created.

[14 Chakras]

HA!

Free will is the name of the game.

The pedophiles running the show will reap as they sew.

[charioteer]

They will reap what they sew, yes, as karma dictates.

May not involve prison though. They are not all pedophiles. That is a gross generalization.

[Carmen]

Oh I agree charioteer, we have to experience both sides of equation to 'know'. When one experiences something they gain wisdom and the soul/entity has grown/evolved. We then can move on to the next experience to gain more wisdom. Through our progressive lives we experience everything eventually and go home pregnant with experience.

Within us we 'know' our own wisdom and also what we still have to learn which we often have denied of ourselves and projected on to others.

From the wisdom that we have gained we can see when others are experiencing the same and feel compassion often, but not a need to rescue, cos that would deny the person the wisdom of their own experience.

Love and LIght

Carmen

Ps Im replying to post 36

[Noela]

Swanny - I posted on another thread the website of George Kavassilas,
who says the Galactic Federation of Light is an empire (huge) of
DECEPTION and the source of a lot of channeling.

www.georgekavassilas.org

[Noela]

Thanks GaiaLove for the link to Project Bluebeam. Whether orchestrated
by the Shadow Government or E.T's, or perhaps collaboration between
them, I believe something of this nature will occur in the near future.

With regard to the SaLusa message - yes, there are good sentiments -
but this is what deception is all about. I personally would not want
to live in a new earth, peopled by robots and evermore powerful
computers. It would seem that amazing technology is one of the
"hooks" that these E.T's use to deceive. They used it successfully
on the Shadow Government.

[charioteer]

No caste, hope that answers your question. No worries about brushing me off, I came on strongly so its all right.

charioteer

[no caste]

Originally Posted by charioteer

They will reap what they sew, yes, as karma dictates.

May not involve prison though. They are not all pedophiles. That is a gross generalization.

Community service?!! Restitution?!!! what?! ... I know that about the pedophiles. That's just the little systemic Satanic streak in the military and .... Also, I sew with needles! Reap what one sows is more of an agricultural term, ...

Damn! Reminds me of Monsanto!

take it easy charioteer