END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition)

TruthWillSetUFree · 06-21-2009, 02:00 PM

I can't believe this thread is still alive either. There is nothing you can say to legitimize this bs.

A few other thoughts would be

I believe more souls are coming in at this time to help with the transition.

No one on the planet has the right to play God about the population.

Someone mentioned we could find a way to feed everyone on the planet IF we wanted to. This is the Truth. TPTB want us to think that we are at fault for living, just like we are at fault for 'global warming', at fault for using gas, at fault cause we were born with sin on our souls, etc etc. It is all made up to program us in a subservient mindset.
We have had free energy for a long time but they 'suicided' those that tried to bring it to the public, we had the electric car before 'they' shut it down and took it away.

If this world hadn't been used to make them richer and the masses poorer every human being would be feeding their families without any problem. That is a basic survival mechanism in humans. They make it difficult, rob countries, close down whole business's and cause recessions and depressions, then blame it on over population.

What ****

I am done with this thread

RaKaR · 06-21-2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

I can't believe this thread is still alive either. There is nothing you can say to legitimize this bs.

A few other thoughts would be

I believe more souls are coming in at this time to help with the transition.

No one on the planet has the right to play God about the population.

Someone mentioned we could find a way to feed everyone on the planet IF we wanted to. This is the Truth. TPTB want us to think that we are at fault for living, just like we are at fault for 'global warming', at fault for using gas, at fault cause we were born with sin on our souls, etc etc. It is all made up to program us in a subservient mindset.
We have had free energy for a long time but they 'suicided' those that tried to bring it to the public, we had the electric car before 'they' shut it down and took it away.

If this world hadn't been used to make them richer and the masses poorer every human being would be feeding their families without any problem. That is a basic survival mechanism in humans. They make it difficult, rob countries, close down whole business's and cause recessions and depressions, then blame it on over population.

What ****

I am done with this thread

Good for you!
Keep your belief for yourself and let others be themselves, please.

Take good care.

BROOK · 06-21-2009, 07:07 PM

UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt
From The Sunday Times

March 22, 2009

Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague

JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.

The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably.

Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure.
Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that impact.”

Population growth is one of the most politically sensitive environmental problems. The issues it raises, including religion, culture and immigration policy, have proved too toxic for most green groups.

However, Porritt is winning scientific backing. Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum, will use the OPT conference, to be held at the Royal Statistical Society, to warn that population growth could help derail attempts to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.

“We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said.

Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat.

Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries.

This is part of the thinking behind the OPT’s call for Britain to cut population to 30m — roughly what it was in late Victorian times.

Britain’s population is expected to grow from 61m now to 71m by 2031. Some politicians support a reduction.

Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.”

The Tory leader, David Cameron, has also suggested Britain needs a “coherent strategy” on population growth.

Despite these comments, however, government and Conservative spokesmen this weekend both distanced themselves from any population policy. ”

Please answer this...HOW do they plan on achieving this?

I also must say...there is politics all over this article....pure POLITICS
I keep hearing from you there is this critical need to lower the population....just exactly how do they plan on doing this?

And remember several posts back, I questioned the motives....I keep seeing the same group of aristocrats and political people involved with this organization.
Conspiracies are not the only issue here..there are cold hard facts to consider...one of the members of this organization....
Paul Ehrlich ....wrote a book back in 1968...stating the very thing you are stating now, via this organization.....not only did his prediction NOT come true, but he lost a BET...that key minerals would face depletion due to this problem....not only was he wrong...they actually abounded in key minerals..dropping the index rate in the market. As far as food supply ...well in his time of indicating disaster..the world food supply TRIPLED ....
I want to see some cold hard FACTS..not political agenda here...what do you have to offer us that is NOT tainted by big media, or political agendas. Or for that matter that could not be corrected by Political Change, and investment in mankind instead of big banking.

BROOK · 06-21-2009, 07:22 PM

Indefinite population growth being physically impossible, it must stop at some point: either sooner through fewer births by contraception and humane, pro-active population policy; or later through more deaths by famine, disease, war, and environmental collapse; or some combination of these

It is not Physically impossible....political rhetoric in my view

famine, disease, war, and environmental collapse; or some combination of these......again....WAR...DISEASE....this sounds more like threats to me.

this taken from your post here # 116
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...t=12538&page=5

BROOK · 06-21-2009, 08:01 PM

More members of this organization...very politically involved group

Sara Parkin

Sara Parkin is a former Green Party of England and Wales activist. She rose to prominence during and after the 1989 European election, in which the Green Party received 15% of the vote. She left the Greens as the result of internal feuds in the wake of constitutional changes she introduced, and went on to found the Forum for the Future with Jonathon Porritt.

Political career

Parkin joined the Ecology Party in the 1970s, partly as the result of the influence of public lectures by Conrad Hal Waddington. in 1979 she stood as a Ecology candidate against Keith Joseph. Parkin also contributed to the development of Green Parties world wide. After 1989, she emerged as the most articulate and telegenic Green party spokesperson, alongside David Icke.

She was credited with both being personally close to Green Party policy views, and practical in terms of political tactics.

She was considered a highly dynamic figure within the party during the 1989 elections: “Quite often we'd be exhausted in the office and she'd burst through the door and bring with her new thoughts and ideas,” said Caroline Lucas at the time.

Walter Schwartz wrote, after the 1989 results that “she could be the party’s best all-rounder, the easiest of the Greens to imagine as a cabinet minister. She is a highly organised political animal. Most Greens are not."

However, during the 1989 conference, internal disputes began to arise. Parkin was defeated in her attempt to initiate negotiations with other parties to establish a pro-proportional representation alliance against the Conservative Party.

She also at this stage supported ideas to slim down the number of official external spokespeople, Principal Speakers but rejected the idea of a single leader.

Later, she became associated with the group Green 2000 which advocated wholesale constitutional changes to the Green Party, including creating an Executive with a single Chair and only two Principal Speakers. Although successful in getting these changes agreed and winning almost all the positions on the Executive staked everything on the 1992 general election which brought a complete lack of success. The fall out resulted in Parkin and others becoming the target of a 'recall' campaign which, although unsuccessful, was thought to be a factor in why Parkin withdrew from the re-election competition as Chair of the Green Party and subsequently left the party and active politics.
Life after politics

Parkin moved on to create the Forum for the Future with two other past Green party activists, Porritt and Paul Ekins.

While at the Forum, she designed the pioneering Forum Leadership for Sustainable Development Masters.

She also currently sits on the boards of the Natural Environment Research Council, the Leadership Foundation for Higher Education and Head Teachers into Industry, and from 2000-2006 was a board member of the Environment Agency for England and Wales. Sara is a Companion of the Institution of Civil Engineering and the Institute of Energy.[2] She is a Trustee of the St. Andrews Prize and Advisor to the Population and Sustainability Network.

Norman Myers

Professional career

Myers is currently Professor and Visiting Fellow at Green College, Oxford University, and at the Said Business School. He is an Adjunct Professor at Duke University. He holds visiting professorships at Harvard, Cornell, Stanford and Berkeley.

Myers has been a senior advisor to organizations such as the United Nations, the World Bank, the White House, scientific academies in a dozen countries, influential politicians (including six prime ministers and presidents) and business leaders worldwide. He has publicized his work in hundreds of scholarly papers and popular articles and 19 books (sales of these books, over one million copies).

Dr. Myers’ expertise in both the natural sciences and the social sciences has enabled him to contribute responses to a broad range of environmental issues, including: population pressures, developing country poverty, over-consumption, unsustainable agriculture, climate change, and environmental security.

One of the chief characteristics of Norman Myers’ research is his penchant for raising new questions as well as supplying new answers to established questions. He has pioneered more than 15 research issues.

Recently, Myers has given support to the Forests Now Declaration, which calls for new market based mechanisms to protect tropical forests. He is a patron of the Optimum Population Trust.

06-21-2009, 02:00 PM	#1
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition) I can't believe this thread is still alive either. There is nothing you can say to legitimize this bs. A few other thoughts would be I believe more souls are coming in at this time to help with the transition. No one on the planet has the right to play God about the population. Someone mentioned we could find a way to feed everyone on the planet IF we wanted to. This is the Truth. TPTB want us to think that we are at fault for living, just like we are at fault for 'global warming', at fault for using gas, at fault cause we were born with sin on our souls, etc etc. It is all made up to program us in a subservient mindset. We have had free energy for a long time but they 'suicided' those that tried to bring it to the public, we had the electric car before 'they' shut it down and took it away. If this world hadn't been used to make them richer and the masses poorer every human being would be feeding their families without any problem. That is a basic survival mechanism in humans. They make it difficult, rob countries, close down whole business's and cause recessions and depressions, then blame it on over population. What **** I am done with this thread

06-21-2009, 07:07 PM	#3
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition) UK population must fall to 30m, says Porritt From The Sunday Times March 22, 2009 Jonathan Leake and Brendan Montague JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society. Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron. The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably. Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure. Each person in Britain has far more impact on the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our population is one way to reduce that impact.” Population growth is one of the most politically sensitive environmental problems. The issues it raises, including religion, culture and immigration policy, have proved too toxic for most green groups. However, Porritt is winning scientific backing. Professor Chris Rapley, director of the Science Museum, will use the OPT conference, to be held at the Royal Statistical Society, to warn that population growth could help derail attempts to cut greenhouse gas emissions. Rapley, who formerly ran the British Antarctic Survey, said humanity was emitting the equivalent of 50 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. “We have to cut this by 80%, and population growth is going to make that much harder,” he said. Such views on population have split the green movement. George Monbiot, a prominent writer on green issues, has criticised population campaigners, arguing that “relentless” economic growth is a greater threat. Many experts believe that, since Europeans and Americans have such a lopsided impact on the environment, the world would benefit more from reducing their populations than by making cuts in developing countries. This is part of the thinking behind the OPT’s call for Britain to cut population to 30m — roughly what it was in late Victorian times. Britain’s population is expected to grow from 61m now to 71m by 2031. Some politicians support a reduction. Phil Woolas, the immigration minister, said: “You can’t have sustainability with an increase in population.” The Tory leader, David Cameron, has also suggested Britain needs a “coherent strategy” on population growth. Despite these comments, however, government and Conservative spokesmen this weekend both distanced themselves from any population policy. ” Please answer this...HOW do they plan on achieving this? I also must say...there is politics all over this article....pure POLITICS I keep hearing from you there is this critical need to lower the population....just exactly how do they plan on doing this? And remember several posts back, I questioned the motives....I keep seeing the same group of aristocrats and political people involved with this organization. Conspiracies are not the only issue here..there are cold hard facts to consider...one of the members of this organization.... Paul Ehrlich ....wrote a book back in 1968...stating the very thing you are stating now, via this organization.....not only did his prediction NOT come true, but he lost a BET...that key minerals would face depletion due to this problem....not only was he wrong...they actually abounded in key minerals..dropping the index rate in the market. As far as food supply ...well in his time of indicating disaster..the world food supply TRIPLED .... I want to see some cold hard FACTS..not political agenda here...what do you have to offer us that is NOT tainted by big media, or political agendas. Or for that matter that could not be corrected by Political Change, and investment in mankind instead of big banking. Last edited by BROOK; 06-21-2009 at 07:10 PM.

06-21-2009, 07:22 PM	#4
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition) Indefinite population growth being physically impossible, it must stop at some point: either sooner through fewer births by contraception and humane, pro-active population policy; or later through more deaths by famine, disease, war, and environmental collapse; or some combination of these It is not Physically impossible....political rhetoric in my view famine, disease, war, and environmental collapse; or some combination of these......again....WAR...DISEASE....this sounds more like threats to me. this taken from your post here # 116 http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...t=12538&page=5

06-21-2009, 08:01 PM	#5
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition) More members of this organization...very politically involved group Sara Parkin Sara Parkin is a former Green Party of England and Wales activist. She rose to prominence during and after the 1989 European election, in which the Green Party received 15% of the vote. She left the Greens as the result of internal feuds in the wake of constitutional changes she introduced, and went on to found the Forum for the Future with Jonathon Porritt. Political career Parkin joined the Ecology Party in the 1970s, partly as the result of the influence of public lectures by Conrad Hal Waddington. in 1979 she stood as a Ecology candidate against Keith Joseph. Parkin also contributed to the development of Green Parties world wide. After 1989, she emerged as the most articulate and telegenic Green party spokesperson, alongside David Icke. She was credited with both being personally close to Green Party policy views, and practical in terms of political tactics. She was considered a highly dynamic figure within the party during the 1989 elections: “Quite often we'd be exhausted in the office and she'd burst through the door and bring with her new thoughts and ideas,” said Caroline Lucas at the time. Walter Schwartz wrote, after the 1989 results that “she could be the party’s best all-rounder, the easiest of the Greens to imagine as a cabinet minister. She is a highly organised political animal. Most Greens are not." However, during the 1989 conference, internal disputes began to arise. Parkin was defeated in her attempt to initiate negotiations with other parties to establish a pro-proportional representation alliance against the Conservative Party. She also at this stage supported ideas to slim down the number of official external spokespeople, Principal Speakers but rejected the idea of a single leader. Later, she became associated with the group Green 2000 which advocated wholesale constitutional changes to the Green Party, including creating an Executive with a single Chair and only two Principal Speakers. Although successful in getting these changes agreed and winning almost all the positions on the Executive staked everything on the 1992 general election which brought a complete lack of success. The fall out resulted in Parkin and others becoming the target of a 'recall' campaign which, although unsuccessful, was thought to be a factor in why Parkin withdrew from the re-election competition as Chair of the Green Party and subsequently left the party and active politics. Life after politics Parkin moved on to create the Forum for the Future with two other past Green party activists, Porritt and Paul Ekins. While at the Forum, she designed the pioneering Forum Leadership for Sustainable Development Masters. She also currently sits on the boards of the Natural Environment Research Council, the Leadership Foundation for Higher Education and Head Teachers into Industry, and from 2000-2006 was a board member of the Environment Agency for England and Wales. Sara is a Companion of the Institution of Civil Engineering and the Institute of Energy.[2] She is a Trustee of the St. Andrews Prize and Advisor to the Population and Sustainability Network. Norman Myers Professional career Myers is currently Professor and Visiting Fellow at Green College, Oxford University, and at the Said Business School. He is an Adjunct Professor at Duke University. He holds visiting professorships at Harvard, Cornell, Stanford and Berkeley. Myers has been a senior advisor to organizations such as the United Nations, the World Bank, the White House, scientific academies in a dozen countries, influential politicians (including six prime ministers and presidents) and business leaders worldwide. He has publicized his work in hundreds of scholarly papers and popular articles and 19 books (sales of these books, over one million copies). Dr. Myers’ expertise in both the natural sciences and the social sciences has enabled him to contribute responses to a broad range of environmental issues, including: population pressures, developing country poverty, over-consumption, unsustainable agriculture, climate change, and environmental security. One of the chief characteristics of Norman Myers’ research is his penchant for raising new questions as well as supplying new answers to established questions. He has pioneered more than 15 research issues. Recently, Myers has given support to the Forests Now Declaration, which calls for new market based mechanisms to protect tropical forests. He is a patron of the Optimum Population Trust.

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