Camelot responds to St Clair's blurb

[Myplanet2]

Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.

Originally Posted by Argante

Not speculation... I was here and witnessed it first hand as a Super Moderator. I was able to trace the IP's, and saw what HD said in Mod Chat and on the board before he wiped everything clean. You don't see any of it because all those posts and information were censored or removed. It is far easier to attack me or my recollection of events than it is to go after HD or St. Clair.

[Steve_A]

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.

[Argante]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

Keep protecting HD from the truth of his actions. Make him out to be some kind of saviour of mankind when he is really a Babylon Boy who chose a career in which he could destroy humanity if given the chance.

How can you have a website about LOVE, TRUTH and saving mankind.... when you protect the very men who would see us all dead?

I know what I did was wrong in the eyes of many here.... but what I did I did out of love for my fellow man. I did not try to hide it... I told other moderators here immediately, and notified B&K asap.

HD and St. Clair are bad karma. I did what I could to protect Avalon and her members from their lies.

What's your excuse?

[Steve_A]

Hi Argante,

Once again I don't want to be drawn into an argument.

First of all you couldn't be sure if HD was HD, just as you don't know who I say I am.

I cannot be held responsible for what a person posts on the web.

I'm sure, however, you realized that George Bush was partly responsible, as was Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the twin towers owner (I can't remember his name). Have you done anyhting about that?

Also I imagine that you must have continued to press even civil charges against HD at the very least, after all you had a confession for goodness sake.

Did you do any of those things as a concerned patriot, or did you just mouth off a short while and then blend back in with the population.

Before you ask me if I fight against governments, I can proudly say yes, where I am here in Brazil: http://www3.trf5.jus.br/ Process number: 2005.83.00.010436-8

So as you can see, I do stand up to the big boys, when I have the evidence to prove the point, but I'm also extremely loyal to a cause I support.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Argante

I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

[recallone]

Too much ego. Period.

The riff that's been announced between St.Clair and Kerry/Bill/Camelot is a result of ego. I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent. I tried to read Light Seeds, but I couldn't bear wading through his ego to get to 'the good stuff' that other people were talking about. But I don't put either one of them on a pedestal or consider one of them more advanced than another. They're just different.

I had a feeling that something like this would eventually happen, and I don't have any desire whatsoever to say one or the other is at fault for their conduct. Just as anyone's testimony should be tossed into the same bin of 'stuff' without assigning it a label of right, wrong, disinformation, comprimised, etc...so should this episode between St. Clair and Kerry (& Bill, Camelot, whatever). Everyone jumping in with their announced "side" is more of the same division that's been poisoning us! Who gives a $hit, really?!

I don't see how this scene can be used to back up Peggy's little hobby, nor how it deserves the exhumation of early Avalon moderator problems. More ego to say "I'm right, you're wrong". It happened. There it is. Let it go. Throwing more flammables into the mix isn't serving any of us on a collective level, but slipping back into the programming of yesteryear that intentionally divides us.

If your two best friends get into a fight, do you pick one to side with? Or do you keep your mouth shut and let them come to their senses and apologize for saying things they really didn't mean to begin with? People say mean things when they're mad. People exaggerate to make their point when they're mad. Forgive people for being people, I say. Let he who is without fault be the first to cast a stone.

[tone3jaguar]

"HD and St. Clair are bad karma"

Judging others as having bad karma is like blending fundamental Christianity with Buddhism. So and so should not be here because they have bad karma? I guess you are the Karma police. Last I heard the universe takes care of that.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by recallone

I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent.

The difference though is that Kerry is here to teach and learn with all of us. St.Clair pretends he is some enlightened being here to save anyone who will follow his ways, and give him money. Kerry (and Bill of course) offer what they do for free, even at great cost to their personal savings, they don't sell their videos at project camelot, nor do they preach to people about what they have learned. They want to get the word out first rather then rich first. Even at the cost of ridicule, which is destined to follow anyone who puts themselves in the public spectrum, more so when dealing with subjects that camelot does.

All these actions concerning Bill and Kerry are to me, a very non egocentric way to do things.

[franciejones]

well, i for one am so darn confused. kerry just posted on Camelot front page and now i feel confused all over again. I wish the St. Clair videos would have stayed...dont know how to feel about it, but it feels icky and its a bummer

[unlimited mind]

the interview with Clif was an outrageous interview, chock full of so much solution oriented information that it makes you spin. it was shared with the world for that very reason. Clif and Michael both have shared freely with the world, to better the world.

the project camelot site is chock full of stuff that was predicted and never happened and there are plenty of threads here to prove it, especially in regards to the folks that were mentioned in this interview. as more and more veils are lifted from our eyes, more and more will be uncovered.

i am a bit stunned by the removal of Michael's information, and the reaction made by Bill, on PC. it is highly likely that this situation is going to FURTHER unfold into uncharted territory. this is reactionary consciousness being enacted in front of millions of people. we can all learn from this.

try not to chew the end of your shoe off with unsubstaniated claims and assumptions. and by all means, find your center when discerning information. no matter where it comes from.

[Carmen]

That Stand By Me music if fabulous!! Thanks Kerry

[PK47]

Im not sure about Michael but Stewart Swerdlow clearly stated in his book "Blue Blood, True Blood" that St. Clair (Sinclair) is one of the 13 ruling Illuminati families (Reptilian-Human hybrids). I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!!

[Malletzky]

Oh dear, this is kind of surprise for me...but hey, it is another proof that nothing last forever...I had a feeling that something's wrong out there...and I still have the same feeling.

Below is an excerpt of my post from 6.11.2008 about this...

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...I would totaly agree, and as I already said in my previous posts, there's no need to fear of anything.
We're all on our own path, right here and right now. So we shouldn't just blindly believe to those "whistleblowers", prophets, just name it...All we have to do is to find our thruth inside of us. With each decision we change our timeline.

As to some of the named people here, I couldn't tell why they preach doom & gloom. It's their own right.

But I surely took some time and studied St. Clair and his work.
I believe he knows much more then he's telling in his interviews.
I guess he really have an access to another dimensional planes or timelines, and what he see there is what he tells us. By I have a strong feeling he withheld some informations. What purpose for? Profit? Gear? Fear?

But this timeline is surely not my timeline.

If he's on a spiritual path, why would he advising "good" clients to buy gold, silver, why would he advise them (and us) to move to a safer zone?
The only conclusion is, these people are more on a material path. And they maybe know what's comming in their own timelines, to which they have an access to!

Well thanks for their good intentions, realy. But do it better! Do it by not seeding fear, doom & gloom here!
Do it by seeding love, do it by giving solutions for every human soul on this planet. Not only for the "choosen" one!....

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You can read the original here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...2358#post72358

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malletzky

[DoctorWho]

My issue with St. Clair was when you asked him a question, sometimes, he would say "read my books." Now I can understand that since English is not his first language, that the book referencing is OK. But in a lot of his posts, he still sold his books and his website even if they weren't really relevant to the discussions. A lot of people from this forum hooked up with him and joined his own forum, which I was one. It's just a really confusing layout and I can't follow it anymore.
Bill "the Doctor"

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by PK47

I believe Stewart more than most people because I have read almost all of his books and the information that he provides are out of this world and out of conceivable understanding even for many truth seekers!!!!!!!!!

it could also be a reason for not believing him...just a remark.

[franciejones]

After all I read and all was said and done....I just feel "screwed with" by all involved. Not blaming anyone, but it seems it was all just a big game. Very disappointing. I "follow" no one....I would be very disappointed if any other videos were removed. Afterall...Camelot posted this:

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:

We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

And it would seem that removing videos somewhat contradicts the above statement. Very bothersome. And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews??? My two cents.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by franciejones

And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews???

I'm wondering about this also.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by franciejones

Afterall...Camelot posted this:

A NOTE ABOUT WHISTLEBLOWERS AND RESEARCHERS that you find on these pages:

We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. --31 December 2008

And it would seem that removing videos somewhat contradicts the above statement. Very bothersome. And if it does not matter what others say according to the April 14 post...then why remove any interviews??? My two cents.

I share the same sentiment with you franciejones.

Kerry and Bill just demonstrated their hypocrisy. They can bring their proven attitude along if they get the offer to join the Illuminati. I don't buy into the excuse: "Oh Kerry and Bill are only human." The Illuminati are human too. Imagine Kerry and Bill gaining additional power. Who will be eliminated next? Clif High? Not only Clif High allowed himself to be interviewed by their adversary, Clif exposed Bill Deagle and Dan Bursch as disinfo agents. Woudn't that "offend" Kerry and Bill to the nth degree?

[franciejones]

feeler-I would like to respond to this.

I must wait and think first as I have some more insight into this now from St Clair's zone and from a private conversation with Bill Ryan.

I think that it is certain that when posting here on Avalon, I spoke too soon and too critically without knowing some background first.

I can say right now that Mr. St. Clair has only in the last hour posted some VERY VERY nasty words on his site and I am shocked by his words/behavior.

Had I witnessed this first, I would NEVER have doubted Bill and Kerry's decision to remove the videos with Michael St. Clair. I must think first and then share later as I have embarrassed myself thus far and do not want to do so again if I can avoid it.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by franciejones

I can say right now that Mr. St. Clair has only in the last hour posted some VERY VERY nasty words on his site and I am shocked by his words/behavior.

To Kerry and Bill: Then why not re-post those "VERY VERY nasty words" for our information and discussion? This is the stage and opportunity for Avalon members to add Mr. St. Clair as a reference point. Why choose the route of censorship? Kerry and Bill should treat us like adults and trust our ability to discern. Don't we get enough filtering and spoonfeeding from the MSM already? Why are we here in Avalon? I'd say the majority of the Avalon members are -not- the typical sheeple. Rather, the majority of the Avalon members have developed a heightened sense of intuition. Trust us. Let us know. Let this be part of our experience.

-feeler

[Phtha]

I have to agree with you feeler. I think we should get more of an explanation from Camelot as to what went down. It would certainly clear up a lot of confusion.

hmm.. would this be classified as an "alternative soap opera"?

Soapoprahfication

Originally Posted by feeler

To Kerry and Bill: Then why not re-post those "VERY VERY nasty words" for our information and discussion? This is the stage and opportunity for Avalon members to add Mr. St. Clair as a reference point. Why choose the route of censorship? Kerry and Bill should treat us like adults and trust our ability to discern. Don't we get enough filtering and spoonfeeding from the MSM already? Why are we here in Avalon? I'd say the majority of the Avalon members are -not- the typical sheeple. Rather, the majority of the Avalon members have developed a heightened sense of intuition. Trust us. Let us know. Let this be part of our experience.

-feeler

[Avid]

Oh dear!
Is this still 'festering'?
Why can't we just stop reading into stuff for the sake of perpetuating discord?
I'm sure non of the aggrieved parties (if aggrieved at all) want to be participant in stirred-up squabbles. Irrelevant!
The messages/discourse from the past are obviously debatable - and are honestly people's views - and should not be removed from Camelots history.
We grow and grow - each learning from the other all the time.
Thank you Bill, Kerry and Michael for even more viewpoints.
Please stop this negativity and move on....
Many thanks

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Avid

Oh dear!
Please stop this negativity and move on....
Many thanks

Avid, you and I didn't start it. Ignoring each other and having their own faction doesn't mean there is no negativity; it means there is a cold war going on. Through respectful dialogue, perhaps both sides can reconcile their difference and thus eliminate the negativity.

-feeler

[Jenny]

Michael St Clair is inflating his ego and he needs to put down Bill and Kerry to achieve that.

What a shame.

NB> Personal view and not a mod intervention..

[deb003]

My goodness.
I just read this entire thread and went through so many different emotions!
At first, I wanted to lash our at Michael S.C., then I wanted to judge bill & Kerry, then I wanted to put them all in a room with a therapist so they could work it all out. Then i thought Michael is the Devil, no Kerry & Bill are CIA ops experiements, then I thought TPTB want to break the truth movement.
I wanted to control so much and so many people during reading this thread...
But it's good. Everything that happens always shows me what I feel and always reflects back to me.
They have their own journey Bill, Kerry, Michael, i see that I want to change it somehow, and control it.
That's what reading what happened taught me. My need to control, change, and judge others and well, of course myself...mhhhh.
Now I think...it is what it is!

[Avid]

Originally Posted by deb003

My goodness.
I just read this entire thread and went through so many different emotions!
At first, I wanted to lash our at Michael S.C., then I wanted to judge bill & Kerry, then I wanted to put them all in a room with a therapist so they could work it all out. Then i thought Michael is the Devil, no Kerry & Bill are CIA ops experiements, then I thought TPTB want to break the truth movement.
I wanted to control so much and so many people during reading this thread...
But it's good. Everything that happens always shows me what I feel and always reflects back to me.
They have their own journey Bill, Kerry, Michael, i see that I want to change it somehow, and control it.
That's what reading what happened taught me. My need to control, change, and judge others and well, of course myself...mhhhh.
Now I think...it is what it is!

Thank goodness - landing on a 'level' playing field is such a relief