Interesting Passage from a David R. Hawkins Book

[vipassana]

Hi Seashore
I hope you are well. That passage really resonates with me.

My life experience has been that when I was addicted to alcohol I was shunned by others and couldn't connect with people which was distressing. At the same time there were people who I would ignore. I understand this now.

When I started going to Alcoholics Anonymous it was amazing to be able to grow by talking and relating with others and be accepted and learn to accept others as they were.

Nowadays I always have time to stop and talk to my fellow human beings that are often shunned by others.

I have grown over the years through learning about the universe I inhabit. I've found Buddhist Philosophy and meditation very useful for changing my conscious wareness for the better.

Interesting passage thanks for posting it.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by vipassana

When I started going to Alcoholics Anonymous it was amazing to be able to grow by talking and relating with others and be accepted and learn to accept others as they were.

He writes about the power of 12-step-based self-help groups in the book.

[Antaletriangle]

I don't mean to appear self righteous but i have applied level 600 several times to individuals who i've taken in when i had my house-some actually respected my efforts in housing and feeding them for free and a couple took the time and effort to trash my house after i had spent time on refurbishing it,new yacht varnished floors etc etc.
This occurred over several years with different folk.
What i am trying to say is i agree to the paragraph that you posted and i also feel it's wise to understand that when two people are concerned there's sometimes an alternative view from the subjects.
i.e. the Old guy on the street corner maybe looking at you with either opportunist eyes or with compassionate eyes,sometimes how the subject is viewed can mean nothing at all if the subject (old guy) has alternative agendas or feelings because it's always a two way street.
You may also be viewed by the old chap as either a victim or a victor in life.

[vipassana]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

I don't mean to appear self righteous but i have applied level 600 several times to individuals who i've taken in when i had my house-some actually respected my efforts in housing and feeding them for free and a couple took the time and effort to trash my house after i had spent time on refurbishing it,new yacht varnished floors etc etc.
This occurred over several years with different folk.
What i am trying to say is i agree to the paragraph that you posted and i also feel it's wise to understand that when two people are concerned there's sometimes an alternative view from the subjects.
i.e. the Old guy on the street corner maybe looking at you with either opportunist eyes or with compassionate eyes,sometimes how the subject is viewed can mean nothing at all if the subject (old guy) has alternative agendas or feelings because it's always a two way street.
You may also be viewed by the old chap as either a victim or a victor in life.

Yes you're right it is a two way street. There is no way of knowing for sure how things will turn out when you try to help others. I don't know what the answers are? We want to be compassionate and give others a helping hand but often they can harm us.

It's quite a dilemma.

[Antaletriangle]

I feel as long as you've tried to help then that's the one-i have no regrets about doing what i did even though my house was trashed-in retrospect i did what i could i think that's all that counts above the physical.

[tone3jaguar]

As the numbers go up in his designed scale, the distortion caused by society become less and less. That is the lesson of the selection. The book is a useful tool for anyone wanting to use learn how to use any form of divinition to determine things or retrieve information. The muscle testing methods he uses in the book can be done by anyone with little or no practice. They are a method of divinition. I use similar methods with pendulum dowsing. Patato Potato

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

I don't mean to appear self righteous but i have applied level 600 several times to individuals who i've taken in when i had my house-some actually respected my efforts in housing and feeding them for free and a couple took the time and effort to trash my house after i had spent time on refurbishing it,new yacht varnished floors etc etc.
This occurred over several years with different folk.
What i am trying to say is i agree to the paragraph that you posted and i also feel it's wise to understand that when two people are concerned there's sometimes an alternative view from the subjects.
i.e. the Old guy on the street corner maybe looking at you with either opportunist eyes or with compassionate eyes,sometimes how the subject is viewed can mean nothing at all if the subject (old guy) has alternative agendas or feelings because it's always a two way street.
You may also be viewed by the old chap as either a victim or a victor in life.

How do you help someone without hurting them? How do you help someone without them hurting you? The answer is to not look up to anyone...or look down on anyone. Don't help people...and don't harm them. Treat everyone alike. Live and let live. Don't pre-judge. When you 'help' someone...there is the implication that you are superior and they are inferior. They may hate you for this. They may attempt to steal from you or harm you to get more out of you because they think you are a sucker or because they hate you. There are obviously exceptions to these crude rules. Giving someone a job may be one exception. Then you give them an oportunity to regain their sense of self-worth or 'pride of earnership'. Work = Worth. We are supposedly trying to 'help' the Iraqi people. How many Iraqis and Americans(and others) have died so far...or have been horribly injured? How much money has been wasted on this crusade? I once asked a Native American shaman what the U.S. should do to assist his people. The answer was 'leave us the f*** alone!'