Anyone know of a live interview of AstralWalker?

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by Czymra

No, you don't, but I think there is a difference between simply posting something to open it up for discussion and creating a long thread which ends up in a huge theory without backing half of it up. I don't need scientific proof either, but at least some reasoning and explanations instead of just statements.
I'm not saying Astralwalker's work in only full of claims, the relevant corn circles are explained in depth and very reassuring, but other statements just kind of hang in the air.

And that's the point here...IT IS a Theory. And I do not have to prove my theories, otherwise they would become facts and would be measurable.

It's just that easy, as take it or leave it. If the theory resonates with our heart and our feelings, we kind a stick to it and take it as a truth.
If we dismiss the theory, we can go futher.
In the second case, if I dismiss a theory, why even bother and consistenly ask for any proofs, knowing that there is no scientific or any other by human standard measurable proof? No logic here...

Anyone of you ever had a chance to see James from the Wingmakers live on interview? Me neither! But his theories and teachings resonates with my feelings, so I take it as it is.
The same here, with the material presented from Astralwalker.

And last, but not least, do you still remember the first words of Astralwalker in his first post in the Nexus 2001 thread? Not any more?

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I would like to share few thoughts and conclusions with all of you who want to listen about my research on the 2012 scenario. They will be simplified to the point where some scholars and scientists could argue about a part of which will be presented, but the main facts are true.

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...all of us who want to listen...about HIS research...

I belong to the listeners...

with
malletzky

[777 The Great Work]

A beautiful thing is taking place. We are all learning how to descern vs seek concrete things. This form of communication is extending towards telethapy, for that which is divine is unseen without facts .

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

And that's the point here...IT IS a Theory. And I do not have to prove my theories, otherwise they would become facts and would be measurable.

It's just that easy, as take it or leave it. If the theory resonates with our heart and our feelings, we kind a stick to it and take it as a truth.
If we dismiss the theory, we can go futher.
In the second case, if I dismiss a theory, why even bother and consistenly ask for any proofs, knowing that there is no scientific or any other by human standard measurable proof? No logic here...

Anyone of you ever had a chance to see James from the Wingmakers live on interview? Me neither! But his theories and teachings resonates with my feelings, so I take it as it is.
The same here, with the material presented from Astralwalker.

And last, but not least, do you still remember the first words of Astralwalker in his first post in the Nexus 2001 thread? Not any more?

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I would like to share few thoughts and conclusions with all of you who want to listen about my research on the 2012 scenario. They will be simplified to the point where some scholars and scientists could argue about a part of which will be presented, but the main facts are true.

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...all of us who want to listen...about HIS research...

I belong to the listeners...

with
malletzky

Granted we all need to take what we resonate with, but likening Astralwalker's material to the one of WingMakers is just not appropriate. James goes into lengthy explanations about many details, draws upon images or metaphors to help one reason with the material, even if it is constantly stated that reason isn't the way to access it.
This is a way of leading people intellectually through on a process to something that can't be understood intellectually, I think it's only appropriate then to explain the theories in some fashions.
These illustrations aren't given in most of Astralwalker's material. It's just there, take it or leave it.
I understand that this can be excused with the attitude of dismissing any science and need for further explanation, but hey, if it isn't an intellectual thing you're describing, and you don't want to make it easier for the intellectual people to 'get it', why even bother using language? I'm sure it'd be better conveyed by a hug or so.

However, it's good that you remind us of the beginning quote. If one takes it all as personal 'thoughts and conclusions' it becomes quite justifiable... it's just not presented as such along the way.
Please understand, I'm not trying to disrupt anything here, as mentioned before, for the big picture is beautiful and radiant. It's just the methods of presentation that I struggle with, and I think many others would as well, as already voiced.

I am convinced that none of us should be a sci-entist nor a be-lie-ver, but 'resonating' with what's written can be as easily manipulated as the 'science' behind many studies. So where does that leave me?
I don't know, but I just can't advocate too much of either side.

[Malletzky]

Oh, I never intented to liken the materials presented from James and Astralwalker. How could I? It's prety obvious, that James' presentation is much more exalted. But this is understandable, don't forget that Astralwalker's native language is not english. Yeah, I know, this language barrier is too high for us humans.

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

A beautiful thing is taking place. We are all learning how to descern vs seek concrete things. This form of communication is extending towards telethapy, for that which is divine is unseen without facts .

And this should be our final goal!!!!

No, I just wanted to point the fact that we've never seen James live as well. Not even a photo...So how could we be sure? And that's, once again, the point where you just take it (if it resonates with you) or dismiss it...

And Czymra my freind, I don't think you're disrupting anything here. It's just fine that we can discuss about this.

I would only disagree, that using language must be an intellectual act. Language is our main source of communication, nothing more.

By the way, James and Atralwalker do have something in common:

They both witheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.

So let's awaken and be ready to absorb this knowledge.

Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. So it's their turn to take some action...

with

malletzky

[Czymra]

They both witheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.

Too true, the same with Drunvalo... I'm not sure if I'm anxious or excited about it.

I shall do my best translating the rest now.

[mudra]

A thread is not a book..
If Astralwalker had decided to write a book on Nexus and put a proper background to all the points he makes that would have probably taken him another year or two before getting published.
On the nexus thread he shared his ideas and some of his research with enough material to resonate with many of us within a few weeks.
Astralwalker is a being Light. He is not interesting to conquer our minds. He is interested to speak to our hearts. To our soul foundation .
Our hearts have been conquered because something in each of us was waiting for this call. The moment the signal was put there we answered back immediately . We were ready for this !
The mind has done many brilliant things in this plane but has as well led to an abyss.
If we want to change this world we have to work it from the soul, from the soul's heart and remember our foundation as spiritual beings. We have to remember how big we are and infinite.
As james puts it this is a time for a soul shift. Once we accomplish this the world will never look the same any longer.
If you ask your questions from the heart , the soul's heart you'll know what is right and you 'll not need any one to prove it to you.
So what is the best thing ? To know before we go or to go because we know ?

The secret is not so much in the knowing as it is in the BEING.

Kindness
mudra

[dayzero]

"Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. "


NB - See the massive 25 Q+A session on the front of Camelot for a no-holds-barred interview with James by Kerry..........I don't think he'll be doing a video interview, it's not his M.O.

Do we need an interview with Astralwalker? Not really....!

Simply 'go within' - that's all. That's ALL!
Sounds too simple, huh?!
Drunvalo says the same.

Just 'go within'

Blessings all!

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by dayzero

"Oh, and I sure will be very happy to see both James and Astralwalker interviewed by Bill and Kerry. "


NB - See the massive 25 Q+A session on the front of Camelot for a no-holds-barred interview with James by Kerry..........I don't think he'll be doing a video interview, it's not his M.O.

Do we need an interview with Astralwalker? Not really....!

Simply 'go within' - that's all. That's ALL!
Sounds too simple, huh?!
Drunvalo says the same.

Just 'go within'
Blessings all!

until you look within, you live without
when you look within, you are able to go without
when you go within, you begin to clearly see without
when you live within, you finally let go without
when you let go without, you enrich within
when you enrich within, you are all right within and without

this is the formula for the eternal lightness of being ...

felt only within ...

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by kathleen

i become suspicious when someone continually asks for credentials or background in online forums or chats. Considering that these forums and chats deal with, shall we say, highly controversial material these questions make me want to ask "who do you work for and what is your agenda." however, i'm not going to ask....i'll just wonder.

Take it or leave it but after last night/early this morning's chat.....enough already.

(moderator hat off.)

thank you!

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

I become suspicious when someone continually asks for credentials or background in online forums or chats. Considering that these forums and chats deal with, shall we say, highly controversial material these questions make me want to ask "Who do you work for and what is YOUR agenda." However, I'm not going to ask....I'll just wonder.

Take it or leave it but after last night/early this morning's chat.....enough already.

(Moderator hat off.)

In my opinion, if you are a Moderator on a public forum, and you want to take that moderator hat off, you should do it in a private message.

[alyscat]

I'm with Kathleen on this. I moderated a public forum for 6 years. I posted on it mostly with my moderator hat off - in fact, on the forum if I posted as a moderator, I always said "moderator hat on" - I handled most of my moderation privately, so as not to embarrass the other party, who mostly broke forum rules unknowingly.

After all, I wouldn't have been on the forums at all if I didn't love the subject matter, and disallowing an opinion to me just because I was a moderator didn't seem fair.

Now, that said, there are people who moderate huge forums who are "professional moderators" They read it all, so as to determine if there's something that needs moderating, but they usually have several boards they're moderating, and they don't become involved in the subject matter. Hard to believe, I know, but I know of at least one other person who is like that, actually, more than one. LOL

I also found that there were forum members who resented the fact that "anyone" had powers over them (most of these were guys in the 18 to 40 age group), in any way (which you could say a moderator does) and they tried over and over to put the moderator in a little box so they (the forum member) could control the moderator (and it was particularly noticeable with the female moderators). And then there were the members that thought because something was done one way on one board, it should be done the same way on all boards, and frequently would post "instructions" to the moderators. (As if somehow PMs wouldn't do.)

Feh -

Carry on, Kathleen .

IMHO we've got a good set of modertors here, and I"ve now hijacked this thread I'll return it to the earlier argument about whether a person can "believe" another person without "hearing" or "seeing" that person, and whether taking someone else's word for it is sufficient. (knowing in my heart that the answer is different for everyone)

alys

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

I take my moderator hat off so I can post like anyone else, without it being construed as a position of the forum. Being a moderator does not mean that I cannot have an opinion and post it as any other member would. Generally when I post a private message it is with my moderator hat on, unless otherwise stated. When I say moderator hat off I am stating my own opinion. Are you saying because I am a moderator I cannot do so? In my opinion that is not right.

I feel that as a Moderator you have some power, and you should have a sense of responsibility.

I think that in your post, you were actually functioning as a Moderator, yet stating that you were not functioning as a moderator.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

How about a new moderator paradigm here on Avalon....no one has anymore "power" than anyone else.

Now that we all contribute in some sense I think that would be highly appropriate.

[lightbeing]

Originally Posted by mudra

The secret is not so much in the knowing as it is in the BEING.

Kindness
mudra

Thank you mudra for quoting Archangel Zadkiel.

Namaste
lightbeing

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

By the way, James and Astralwalker do have something in common:

They both withheld knowledge of things which I know will blow our limited minds if they should present this knowledge today.

Personally I'm not too worried about having my mind blown. None of the AW info should be too expansive to anyone who's read much sci-fi. It's basically a synopsis of a good part of the 2012 information that's on the web. Some is scientific but most of the presentation is intuitive.

Originally Posted by Astralwalker

Many people contact me and asked if this is my idea to misuse this global field of energy that will be accumulated in those planetary meditations because it is obvious that I do not share all my knowledge on the dynamics how this works.

I guess people are scared and I understand that. There is no misuse of this combined psionic focus, and my intentions are totally positive.

It is true that I withhold information about the dynamics of all this, in fact I have shared only a small amount of what I know about this and the events that are coming. But the reason for that is simple because I fallow the wisdom and timing of greater consciousness – Gaia.

I'm not even clear on the precise goals of the Nexus 2012 event. That may be in the thread but it was 40 pages long when I first saw it, and being a simple person who likes to get to the point, I find it hard to follow.

It seems to me that in any global, group alchemy project, all procedures, dynamics and possible misuses of energy should be noted and clarified, not withheld. This is the problem I have with "events" such as this. You're asking mostly mundane people to reach out and function as sorcerers, following some magical process that someone has created for them, but most of us know very little about sorcery (the energetics involved) even though we use it every other minute of our lives. Simultaneous and organized meditation with hundreds of other people is not the same as meditating every morning in your room. It's more like you're inviting hundreds of people into your "room" with you. It feels kind of like church to me, a perfect example of the misuse of magic and sorcery.

IMO there clearly is a threat, not only of energy misdirection, but of the possibility of the energy being hijacked by matrix agents (for lack of a better term). Everyone participating should know this fact and know something about preventing it from happening....and that should be a part of the initial instructions.

Also, to back Kathy T's criticisms to some extent... we are talking the end of the world in a half dozen possible scenarios here. The science and references should be important to everyone...though I don't really care about where the images come from, only that there should be fewer of them.

At the same time, there's no proof of the multidimensional aspects of it, so no there's no point in demanding that, or a peer review of it. All we can do is analyze AW's presentation, see if there's scientific backing for that part of and then let it resonate. As for me, I don't resonate with the end of the world stuff, but it's clear that we're in the midst of major acceleration of energy and that it's affecting consciousness in a powerful manner.

Maybe it is the end of time, or time as we perceive it. I do think we can morph the future, because that's how it works anyway (first someone thinks of something, then puts energy behind it, then adds action, then it manifests). It seems like focusing a specific intent at specific times could have an effect, but it's also creating pathways and portals into every participants energy field and this is nothing to be taken lightly. The fact that someone saw patterns or whatever is not an indication that it's working in the way that was intended.

[piers2210]

Well put, Sun-toon (is that korean?)..i like what u say. Ultimately we must just go with our own feelings and be prepared (mentally) as well as physically). I want change myself. Personally, and for the world.

By the way, have a read of futureyes post #32 (i think) above...lovely words, thanks futureyes...
P.

[Czymra]

I agree Sun-Toon', those are my concerns as well. I'm not convinced that whatever takes the energy can't fake the 'love and light' feeling.

As for the mind blowing, dude most of what I've read the last months hasn't blown my mind at all.
I has change my awareness, yes, but sadly my world is pretty much the same old still.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I agree Sun-Toon', those are my concerns as well. I'm not convinced that whatever takes the energy can't fake the 'love and light' feeling.

As for the mind blowing, dude most of what I've read the last months hasn't blown my mind at all.
I has change my awareness, yes, but sadly my world is pretty much the same old still.

Well Czymra, that being said, don't doubt for a moment that your mind can be blown. It's an endless process of expansion and integration. The whole idea being put forth by all the ascension movement people (and also by non-people :>)...that we'll get to some point where we get it all, become fully aware and go on to work for some brotherhood of light, is IMHO, a pile of cr@p. It's here, in the material world, and in particular this one, that the light...the higher frequency information we carry, and which we're in the process of re-remembering, needs to manifest. And if it's not mind blowing enough for you, just try processing the idea that they kill people here for doing just that.
I don't think they'll kill anyone for Nexus 2012 though, and that says more than anything about my feelings towards it.

You're also absolutely correct about "them" faking the "love and light" feeling. It's not only possible, but quite normal for information, programming and matrix hooks to be inserted into us under the cover of ecstatic and even orgasmic sensations. This is exactly the point I was trying to make about the need for a deeper understanding of the magical processes involved before diving into someone else's ceremony.

Originally Posted by Josefine

I think you have a valid point, KathyT. I did not spend much time on AstralWalker's thread, I just took note of the three premises he was building his case on: The Mayan Caledar, Paul laViolette's superwave theory and the very recent material on the holes in the magnetosphere.

The first two never had the credibility as a base for the kind of serious alarm that AstralWalker drummed up, and the last one is a very new finding that needs further evaluation. In fact I have read something on it that indicates the situation to be beneficial for our accellerating DNA changes.
I think it is the artwork that is spellbinding on this thread. It should give food for thought how we react psychologically to any material in the 'right' packaging.
I also observed that this thread sucked a lot of energy from this forum, the thread became very long. I will take the time to read it now to see all the input.
The result all in all is not negative, I feel. Many people will not jump so easily another time, perhaps?

As for the scheduled meditation, this will be a comfort for many as one is feeling a sense of unity in something that is done collectively. I am also glad that caution has been advised on checking the situation with the sites and so on. Personally I prefer to meditate with small groups that I know to be sharing a common goal.

I just want to comment that I blew past this post last night, and that I agree with it and probably would have used it to say much of what I said if I'd seen it. I want to second the idea that Josefine makes about the artwork and packaging of the event. I thought it was very distracting to include all the groovy photoshopped "astral light" pictures, and also to use gigantic fonts, etc (what is with that anyway?). The pages take a long time to load and it takes forever to read through the thread.

I'm not saying Nexus 2012 is a waste of time, becuase it is interesting and the seed of what might be a grand idea, but it is a waste of time to spend hours reading through what could have been stated clearly in a couple of pages.


A couple sidebar comments-
To piers2210: no, it's not korean, just an old buckeye thing I've been carrying around. Also, since I'm new here what's with the overbearingly concise "expletives deleted" programming? I'm surprised y'all are so comfortable being treated like 8 year olds.

[Czymra]

I just want to comment that I blew past this post last night, and that I agree with it and probably would have used it to say much of what I said if I'd seen it. I want to second the idea that Josefine makes about the artwork and packaging of the event. I thought it was very distracting to include all the groovy photoshopped "astral light" pictures, and also to use gigantic fonts, etc (what is with that anyway?). The pages take a long time to load and it takes forever to read through the thread.

I'm not saying Nexus 2012 is a waste of time, becuase it is interesting and the seed of what might be a grand idea, but it is a waste of time to spend hours reading through what could have been stated clearly in a couple of pages.


A couple sidebar comments-
To piers2210: no, it's not korean, just an old buckeye thing I've been carrying around. Also, since I'm new here what's with the overbearingly concise "expletives deleted" programming? I'm surprised y'all are so comfortable being treated like 8 year olds.

Josefine's discernment skills are top notch, but I can even see an agenda in that. We all have agenda's don't we.
However, I think it's all a wonderful process if we bring it all out of us without compromise, full clash. That is the only process that will really allow us to tell truth from lie. All of us carry memes that have been planted and unknowingly further them. Only this exchange can identify them as such.
Regarding the way the thread looks, yes it's scrambled, but the summaries and it's translations make up for that.
I'm no friend of overly photoshopped pictures or gigantic fonts, but if that is what people think is needed to express their emotions, I think one should not scrutinise it. Too much 'professionalism' kills the fun.

Regarding the 'censorship' of swearwords, I find it funny as well. I'd never do it but in order to be polite I'll adapt.
However, I think the positive end of this is that one is challenged to find words that precisely describe a feeling or a dynamic instead of just using the omnipotent f word or its friends.

Seeding the notion of 'being treated like 8 year olds' is as much a programming trick of suckering us into pride as the 'censorship' itself is.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by mudra

Sun-Toon, Here is the link where you can find the downloadable summary of the nexus thread:
http://www.buycontacthasbegun.com/nexusform.html
It's well worth reading.

Thx, mudra...I'll check this out. I downloaded the book as well.

Originally Posted by Czymra

Josefine's discernment skills are top notch, but I can even see an agenda in that. We all have agenda's don't we.
I'm no friend of overly photoshopped pictures or gigantic fonts, but if that is what people think is needed to express their emotions, I think one should not scrutinise it. Too much 'professionalism' kills the fun.
Seeding the notion of 'being treated like 8 year olds' is as much a programming trick of suckering us into pride as the 'censorship' itself is.

Well I'm not buying into this. If you're going to paint Josefine's discernment as an agenda you should explain that. It was an observation and a good one.

I can halfway agree with the 2nd comment...I'm not into killing anyone's fun or spontaneity, but posters should understand that sometimes their means of expression, when they were emotional for a moment last week, might lose it's impact and even become annoying when threads become historical references rather than active conversation. (i.e. you can always go back and edit).
OTOH, I don't feel it's appropriate to declare what cannot be scrutinized.

As for accusing me of "seeding" some sort of "program" into this forum because my ability to express myself (and yours as well) is curtailed by an absurd forum programing decision, one which censors the word "c r a p"; and then having a mod without the hat declare that "wise" and "profound"...Honestly, those have to be among the strangest two posts I've ever seen in venue where most of the membership seems reasonably rational.
Would the next step be to prohibit violent words like "murder" and "rape"?

Since I've only made about a dozen posts here, I suppose my comments carry no weight with the regulars, but I do have more than a decade of experience with forums and newsgroups. It's my opinion, derived from observation, that censoring anything but the most outrageous personal attacks and trolling does nothing to enhance the spirit of communication and the exchange of ideas. This exchange is my agenda, so have no doubts about that. It's one that I assumed would be in sync with the mission of avalon.

~~~
I came back into this and edited because I've been away from my desk and thinking about it.
I'm not saying we should agree, differing points of view are a positive and necessary part of the equation. But, to insinuate that the act of questioning the rulemakers is somehow out of line, makes me a bit uneasy about your hidden agendas...and questioning an act of scrutiny is an even more extreme level of control. Conform all you like, but the use of social intimidation to coerce your level of conformity out of others is not conducive to an atmosphere of creative exchange.

As a sovereign individual, I take responsibility for my own actions and feel no need for rulemakers at all. None. I don't need policed to protect others from me, and I don't need protected from myself. That is the vibrational realm we're moving into when we're moving into higher dimensional realms. It means understanding and accepting the consequences of action, without authority figures (or gods) dictating what we should be doing. If you're not ready to do that on the freakin' internet, you're certainly not ready to do it in real life.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Thx, mudra...I'll check this out. I downloaded the book as well.




Well I'm not buying into this. If you're going to paint Josefine's discernment as an agenda you should explain that. It was an observation and a good one.

I can halfway agree with the 2nd comment...I'm not into killing anyone's fun or spontaneity, but posters should understand that sometimes their means of expression, when they were emotional for a moment last week, might lose it's impact and even become annoying when threads become historical references rather than active conversation. (i.e. you can always go back and edit).
OTOH, I don't feel it's appropriate to declare what cannot be scrutinized.

As for accusing me of "seeding" some sort of "program" into this forum because my ability to express myself (and yours as well) is curtailed by an absurd forum programing decision, one which censors the word "c r a p"; and then having a mod without the hat declare that "wise" and "profound"...Honestly, those have to be among the strangest two posts I've ever seen in venue where most of the membership seems reasonably rational.
Would the next step be to prohibit violent words like "murder" and "rape"?

Since I've only made about a dozen posts here, I suppose my comments carry no weight with the regulars, but I do have more than a decade of experience with forums and newsgroups. It's my opinion, derived from observation, that censoring anything but the most outrageous personal attacks and trolling does nothing to enhance the spirit of communication and the exchange of ideas. This exchange is my agenda, so have no doubts about that. It's one that I assumed would be in sync with the mission of avalon.

~~~
I came back into this and edited because I've been away from my desk and thinking about it.
I'm not saying we should agree, differing points of view are a positive and necessary part of the equation. But, to insinuate that the act of questioning the rulemakers is somehow out of line, makes me a bit uneasy about your hidden agendas...and questioning an act of scrutiny is an even more extreme level of control. Conform all you like, but the use of social intimidation to coerce your level of conformity out of others is not conducive to an atmosphere of creative exchange.

As a sovereign individual, I take responsibility for my own actions and feel no need for rulemakers at all. None. I don't need policed to protect others from me, and I don't need protected from myself. That is the vibrational realm we're moving into when we're moving into higher dimensional realms. It means understanding and accepting the consequences of action, without authority figures (or gods) dictating what we should be doing. If you're not ready to do that on the freakin' internet, you're certainly not ready to do it in real life.

I really appreciate your answer.

I don't want to get too deep into this because I don't think we're actually opposing each other. I too take responsibility for my actions, even (especially) if they are out of line with the status quo. In fact, just yesterday I had to witness a censoring of sexual comments (in no way derogatory) and that I think is utterly unnecessary. It in fact, killed a contribution to the forum. However, it seems that there are issues regarding what content can actually be posted and supposedly (I didn't check this myself) a forum could be taken down for 'corrupting the youth' or whatever excuse it might be. Not that this forum couldn't be taken down for hundreds of other reasons.
Copyright infringement would be the least of them. Why however this forum considers itself above copyright but not above that f***ing decadence and hypocrisy (I bleeped myself! but this time the word IS descriptive) I do not know.

Be that as it may, I'll keep my eyes open because if this continues I might want to use my voice for all that's worth.
As for my 'accuse' of Josephine's intentions having an agenda, well I guess I have to apologise for I didn't mean it as an accuse. As you so eloquently illustrated yourself, anybody can be accused of having an agenda. Are they even real people? No one knows. I am just trying to see the dynamics behind the entity that posts it and I'm somewhat confused when supposedly real people never contradict themselves, are real hard-liners... because I certainly, as you just noticed, throw the odd statement that wasn't as well thought through as I hoped it would be, but hey, at least I come with humility to to accept that and apologise.

It's people that are supposedly spiritually enlightened, yet have not humility whatsoever that make me really weary.

[AussieG]

For Avalon forum members we are very please to announce the attendance in person of Astralwalker of the Nexus thread. Who is in Melb.: I can vouch that he is real and rididige. He only just arrived in Aus. and after a time to settle and adjust we will talk extensively, with an idea of posting a video in the near future, if Kerry and Bill don't beat us to it.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by AussieG

For Avalon forum members we are very please to announce the attendance in person of Astralwalker of the Nexus thread. Who is in Melb.: I can vouch that he is real and rididige. He only just arrived in Aus. and after a time to settle and adjust we will talk extensively, with an idea of posting a video in the near future, if Kerry and Bill don't beat us to it.

Great news Aussie G,

Looking forward for this video

Kindness
mudra

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

it seems that there are issues regarding what content can actually be posted and supposedly (I didn't check this myself) a forum could be taken down for 'corrupting the youth' or whatever excuse it might be. Not that this forum couldn't be taken down for hundreds of other reasons.
Copyright infringement would be the least of them. Why however this forum considers itself above copyright but not above that f***ing decadence and hypocrisy (I bleeped myself! but this time the word IS descriptive) I do not know.

Hmmm. It wasn't my intent to get into this discussion, but I think it may be one of the most important subjects that needs to be brought out in the open here. Who says there are content indiscretions that can get the forum banned? and from where? If this is true then we might has will hang it up and find another way to communicate, because unless we're writing in code, the very objective of this level of discourse is going to anti-PTB, anti-status quo and revolutionary at it's core.

We're not saving the current system, and if anyone thinks so, I suggest you hang up the thought. It's over, rotten to and from the core, and needs overwritten with an entirely new program. If that program can't be sketched out, as creatively as possible, and maybe even more importantly, alliances created in the same way, why are we wasting our time? My Space is a click away, and they don't seem worried about anything but showing a tit.

Originally Posted by Czymra

Be that as it may, I'll keep my eyes open because if this continues I might want to use my voice for all that's worth.
As for my 'accuse' of Josephine's intentions having an agenda, well I guess I have to apologise for I didn't mean it as an accuse. As you so eloquently illustrated yourself, anybody can be accused of having an agenda. Are they even real people? No one knows. I am just trying to see the dynamics behind the entity that posts it and I'm somewhat confused when supposedly real people never contradict themselves, are real hard-liners... because I certainly, as you just noticed, throw the odd statement that wasn't as well thought through as I hoped it would be, but hey, at least I come with humility to to accept that and apologise.

It's people that are supposedly spiritually enlightened, yet have not humility whatsoever that make me really weary.

Well Czymra, this was my way of checking to see if you're a real person. I've read a few of your posts and I was almost stunned to see such seeming support for the local PTB. I have it in on good authority through the grapevine that Josefine is real as well.

BTW, are you talking about copyright infringements that derive from the re-posting of other net available information? If so, that seems like one more issue that could easily be solved by personal responsibility, and enforced, not by censorship, but by politely reminding each other to give credit where credit is due. Very little of what's on the web is put there by anyone who thinks their intellectual property is not going to travel. Instead, most everyone (Reuters excluded), gets an ego boost from having their material go viral. They don't care where it gets used, but everyone wants their work linked back to the source, and I don't see why that's too much to ask.

The needed humility of the supposedly spiritually enlightened is a topic that could fill a book, and in fact I'm half thinking about it. :>)

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Hmmm. It wasn't my intent to get into this discussion, but I think it may be one of the most important subjects that needs to be brought out in the open here. Who says there are content indiscretions that can get the forum banned? and from where? If this is true then we might has will hang it up and find another way to communicate, because unless we're writing in code, the very objective of this level of discourse is going to anti-PTB, anti-status quo and revolutionary at it's core.

We're not saving the current system, and if anyone thinks so, I suggest you hang up the thought. It's over, rotten to and from the core, and needs overwritten with an entirely new program. If that program can't be sketched out, as creatively as possible, and maybe even more importantly, alliances created in the same way, why are we wasting our time? My Space is a click away, and they don't seem worried about anything but showing a tit.

You're welcome to drive it. Whenever I went (in the Nexus thread) on about 'where are the backup systems, do you all have private contact already, what kind of organisation is taken beyond this board?' all I got as a reply is that "all will be fine, of course people are privately conversing".
What shall I say. In fact, there are many people who are a little frustrated with this attitude but their posts seem to become less and less. Asteram and cloud9 are the first to think of.

Well Czymra, this was my way of checking to see if you're a real person. I've read a few of your posts and I was almost stunned to see such seeming support for the local PTB. I have it in on good authority through the grapevine that Josefine is real as well.

BTW, are you talking about copyright infringements that derive from the re-posting of other net available information? If so, that seems like one more issue that could easily be solved by personal responsibility, and enforced, not by censorship, but by politely reminding each other to give credit where credit is due. Very little of what's on the web is put there by anyone who thinks their intellectual property is not going to travel. Instead, most everyone (Reuters excluded), gets an ego boost from having their material go viral. They don't care where it gets used, but everyone wants their work linked back to the source, and I don't see why that's too much to ask.

The needed humility of the supposedly spiritually enlightened is a topic that could fill a book, and in fact I'm half thinking about it. :>)

Wait a second, I'd really like to see a list of posts that support 'the local PTB'. What are the local PTB? Moderators? Kathleen?
This sounds like an anarchy trip. Is the next system anarchy of love and happiness? I don't know. It's rather hard to grasp and I think it'd be better to not lead towards a specific concept of a system because it's likely we wouldn't recognise it from this vantage point.
If you are of such anti-authority it almost sounds like you shouldn't be too far from the nexus thread. There, no leaders exist, just 'organisers'.

The copyright infringement is more a matter of sharing torrents and eBooks, the former is probably decided soon, PirateBay will show.

Forgive me for being so cynic but it does bring up old frustrations. Regarding humility, I doubt that writing a book about it will have any use.