A Few Understandings to Share, Part Two - Multi-dimensional Cosmic Change

[recallone]

Sorry, tone. You just lost me.
27 lessons? I don't know if this is the same 27 lessons, but for me - it might as well be. I don't like measuring sticks. Anything that encourages the ego to divide with the illusion of being better/more evolved/an 'old soul'/ whatever - I've got to summarily kick it to the curb. There are other reasons, too. But I think I'd rather bow out of this one.

Peace.
recallone

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by recallone

Sorry, tone. You just lost me.
27 lessons? I don't know if this is the same 27 lessons, but for me - it might as well be. I don't like measuring sticks. Anything that encourages the ego to divide with the illusion of being better/more evolved/an 'old soul'/ whatever - I've got to summarily kick it to the curb. There are other reasons, too. But I think I'd rather bow out of this one.

Peace.
recallone

I'm with you on that but I do still think that it is a concept worth engaging in. What you speak of is a path to the realisations of 'my own real powers' in a way instead of a learning curve, isn't it?
I know I might have this wrong but there are still a few steps that get you closer to being able to recognise that, aren't there? This sounds like a learning but you could see it as a learning not associated to ascension or accumulation of knowledge, rather its deconstruction, taking down layer by layer of 'isness'.
Maybe you can find more suiting words for it, but I've had my share of trouble with identifying the 'all is there already' concept between the traps that are aimed to make me a passive consumer and the ones that actually hold truth.

[Anchor]

Perhaps the problem lies in the way it is worded.

They are not "lessons" they are archetypes. An archetype is an abstract description of a "type of situation"" you need to experience and integrate into your being.

For this reason when opportunities come along, they are seen as "lessons" because there is every chance that in experiencing it, you may learn. Thus a lesson is a particular instance of an archetypal experience that happens in your life.

If you move through the experience and integrate experience properly (according to your polarity) you "pass" and there is no real need for the cosmos/universe to present that opportunity to you again.

In our 3D experience, Ra explains that there are 22 archetypes. (not 27?)

Here are some relevant quotes from the material:

Questioner: Is there, in Ra’s opinion, any present day value for the use of the tarot as an aid in the evolutionary process?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat information. It is appropriate to study one form of constructed and organized distortion of the archetypical mind in depth in order to arrive at the position of being able to become and to experience archetypes at will. You have three basic choices. You may choose astrology, the twelve signs, as you call these portions of your planet’s energy web, and what has been called the ten planets. You may choose the tarot with its twenty-two so-called Major Arcana. You may choose the study of the so-called Tree of Life with its ten Sephiroth and the twenty-two relationships between the stations.

It is well to investigate each discipline, not as a dilettante, but as one who seeks the touchstone, one who wishes to feel the pull of the magnet. One of these studies will be more attractive to the seeker. Let the seeker, then, investigate the archetypical mind using, basically, one of these three disciplines. After a period of study, the discipline mastered sufficiently, the seeker may then complete the more important step: that is, the moving beyond the written in order to express in an unique fashion its understanding, if you may again pardon the noun, of the archetypical mind.

Questioner: I will also assume, and I may not be correct, that the present list that I have of twenty-two names of the tarot cards of the Major Arcana are not in exact agreement with Ra’s original generation of the tarot. Could you describe the original tarot, first telling me if there were twenty-two archetypes? That must have been the same. Were they the same as the list that I read to you in a previous session or were there differences?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have stated previously, each archetype is a concept complex and may be viewed not only by individuals but by those of the same racial and planetary influences in unique ways. Therefore, it is not informative to reconstruct the rather minor differences in descriptive terms between the tarot used by us and that used by those of Egypt and the spiritual descendants of those first students of this system of study.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

A..

[tone3jaguar]

Damn, I could have sworn it was 27. I guess some info gets scewed when drinking from a fire hose. At any rate, the way in which I was able to find out that I had reached the finsish line was through my aunt who is a Psychologist/Shaman/Professional Dowser. She has a system where she measures the souls progression on a scale of 0-360 degrees, or a circle. Just 5 years ago I was at about 180 degrees. Needless to say the **** really hit the fan the last half decade for me.

[tone3jaguar]

The galaxy designed it this way. The powers one accumulates as a result of the ascension process could potentially be very distructive if put in the hands of an individual who had not yet accumulated the wisdom nessesary to take on that responsibiltiy. Its not a measuring stick, it is a cirriculum. You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

[recallone]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The galaxy designed it this way. The powers one accumulates as a result of the ascension process could potentially be very distructive if put in the hands of an individual who had not yet accumulated the wisdom nessesary to take on that responsibiltiy. Its not a measuring stick, it is a cirriculum. You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

Ouch! Well, I certainly wasn't expecting a reply with teeth.
Nonetheless, the mind-definitions of these 27 or 22 lessons, archetypes, whatever (as I see it) are further attaching the egoic mind to this dimension. By your response, it would seem that my assessment is accurate. If you feel the need to defend anything, then you're attached to it. I've come to see attachment as a major part of this whole awakening/realization experience, and I feel as though I'm getting better at understanding and identifying the tripping points within what would otherwise be considered very solid spiritual guidance.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, tone. But the ultimate question is How do you know you're right? I do, in a sense consider myself a spiritual thug of sorts, especially amongst spiritual academics who endlessly quote information and guidance they've acquired from various sources. I don't have a problem with organized religion, or even offerings that assist people in getting beyond the limited scope of a single, one-religion explanation. But like many of you, the religions that we may have endorsed for x amount of years have been discarded, like a boat that was used to cross a body of water and is no longer necessary. Trying to use the guidance that was applicable while crossing the water is no longer valid in venturing into this new land. You follow me?

My point is this: We're going to a place that's completely unlike where we've been. All of the rules are changing, the limitations becoming recognized as false and misleading. Our concept of time, that there must be a linear relationship between the amount of time spent on a particular endeavor and the fruition of those efforts is similarly losing its' credibility. If the way we understand time is different, doesn't that automatically throw out the notion of there being a process? I'm not announcing absolutes, by the way - because there is much I don't know. And I'm okay with saying that I don't know. But what I do know is that we've got a number of things waaay wrong in terms of our relationship to the experience around us, our perception of time, and our identification with the ego. We are not our thoughts, and the ego is leading many of us around like a bull with a nose ring.

When a program/set of lessons/steps to follow/whatever implies an amount of progress, per se - I feel as though the notion of a process is being endorsed which does two things. #1 - Enforces our false sense of time. #2 - Gives the ego fuel for more misdirection. Ego, while relegated as a bad thing by many that are on the path can still be inadvertently fed with titles of realized, or awakened. An old soul, starchild, sensitive, clairvoyant, etc. When people announce that they are these things, often there is a sense of pride and elite-ness about it. Like, I have this ability and you don't, nyah, nyah, nyah - nyah, nyah, nyah. No, not everybody is of that energy, but do you see my point? They're simply more distinguishing points that serve to separate and cater to the ego's desire to become more.

My contention is that there is nothing to become. I'm beginning to doubt that all of the books I read were even necessary. I'm sure they helped get me to this point, but I'm finding something that isn't learned so much as it is remembered. And it's slippery with these 3d hands and this 3d mind, but it's there - and it's way different from our archaic ideas of learning.

I wish all peace.
recallone

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by recallone

I do, in a sense consider myself a spiritual thug of sorts

Well at least you are polite about it.

Originally Posted by recallone

the ultimate question is How do you know you're right?

For my part one once you get past a certain point you don't always have time to be continually showing everything from first principles. It has to get to a stage of take it or leave it.

As a collective - we are so far ahead of where we were a few years ago, the books that go back to first principles, leading you step by step through the illusion, through a working body of knowledge and a framework for conceptualising the > 3D reality and the <= 3D illusion, and they are often large bodies of work. They dont have to be, but there are a large number of people that seem to need every angle covered before they are prepared to let themselves go and find out the truth "inside". I think I was like that about 25 years ago.

Once you do that, proof and demonstrating how you know its right becomes an answer which can only be properly explained to those doing the groundwork necessary to understand the answer; and when they have done that, you dont get asked the question - it becomes a non-issue

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[recallone]

Well said, Anchor. And you're right. There does need to be some preliminary groundwork, I suppose. Or does there? That's the thing I've been wresting with.

Many of the people in this forum have had a fair amount of experience with several religions, philosophies, stages of growth so to speak. What I'm batting around in my head is if it's even necessary. I feel like there's a kind of switch that can be thrown - one that supersedes any learned knowledge, but provides a pure understanding of the bigger picture nonetheless. That could be where psychedelics come in - you know - the ones that the government is scared sh**less about you using. Hmmmm....conspiracy to overthrow a government if you're in possession of LSD? Certainly makes you wonder what THEY know about it, doesn't it?

Maybe the understanding of the first principles must precede that moment in time when the puzzle pieces begin fitting into place. But then, that caters to the illusion of linear time, thereby enforcing it. And as we're all painfully aware, those who are not ready to hear the truth will throw stones at it until they are ready. Slippery subject, for sure.

[Czymra]

You guys rock. I enjoy this a lot.

When reading this:

My contention is that there is nothing to become. I'm beginning to doubt that all of the books I read were even necessary. I'm sure they helped get me to this point, but I'm finding something that isn't learned so much as it is remembered. And it's slippery with these 3d hands and this 3d mind, but it's there - and it's way different from our archaic ideas of learning.

I thought that kind of encapsulates it. It's not necessary, but for some it eases the path, however, only goes that far. I know that getting here and seeing all the information 'allowed me to allow myself' to actually do this. I now however that I've become addicted to feeding now and I'll just let that burn through and then cut off. Then I'll see...
Thanks for spelling it out.

(If you're up for something more hands on, I'd love to hear what you think about this: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=9990
It's gone a little in circles so far but I'll comb through it soon to see what can be salvaged)

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by recallone

Ouch! Well, I certainly wasn't expecting a reply with teeth.

It was not my intention for it to have teeth. It just stated what has been shown to me very recently. You do not have to use any of the divined measuring systems that have been discussed here in order to finish out your souls progression. I never wrote or thought about it much until shortly after I had completed mine a few weeks back. So I am not trying to say that one must know about the 22 archetypal challenges to overcome in the evolution of ones soul. You can be oblivious to it and still chug right along. The number one killer of the souls progression is victimitis. Western society puts this paradigm in movies, shows, news, and other media. It teaches the mind to convert fear into victimitis in an effort to externalize the emotion. This is the ego saving itself.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, tone. But the ultimate question is How do you know you're right?

There is not a single prophet, sage, shaman, mystic, or any other title given to those who walk a spiritual path, that has had a way to prove absolutly for sure that thier particular belife system was the absolute truth. It it a matter of faith. Not faith based purely on what others have instilled through knowledge. Instead, faith based on what the subject has experienced and observed in the spiritual realm, combined with accumulated knowlede.

That is how I know it as a truth from my consciousness. I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff to push me through the crash couse I have been on. I have also seen some positive spiritual stuff as well. Once you get to a place in your own consiousness where you have successfully cleaned most or all of the unessesary subconscious core belifs from you mind then when you read the truth the vibration of excitement, effortless focus and learning, and relaxation are experienced when reading them.

If you are not experiencing this when reading the info I have posted in this thread it simply means that you are not at the current stage of your own evolution of conscoiusness where you need to learn this information. So don't take it as your truth. If I had had this information earlier on I could have saved myself alot of greif. I was stuck on the last phase of it for me for at least a few years. I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing with those that weild dark magik. What I did not realize the entire time that I was doing this, was that fighting against something that I did not like actually manifested more of it at escalating levels of intensity.

Training the mind to stay in the moment is the real key to racing your way through these lessons. This is hard to achive in a society based off of liner time. It takes alot of consistent meditation, and a conscious effort to catch ones self when day dreaming in an emotional memory of the past and detach the emotion from that memory. Those memories with emotion still tagged to them are where the ego is born from.

[recallone]

Just so we're communicating effectively, the comment that had teeth was You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

I don't really need to explain why this is unnecessary, do I? The energy that was with you when you wrote these words arrived along with the words. The bit on victimitis was along the same lines. I could be aggressive about confronting you for the alleged slight, but I really don't care that much about it. I was just trying to redirect the energy a little. That's all. I see the divine in you, brother. You don't need to address me as though I don't.

Look at the souls that showed up for this gathering. How many people that you see on a daily basis can you have these kinds of conversations with? This is good company to be in. The people in here are the ones brave enough to take on the responsibility of what we're doing. I've got mad respect for everyone brave enough to launch into this magnificent unknown. WE'RE doing this together. This is uncharted territory we're in and we're all...working on it. So, let me grab the next gear in this conversation with a proper greeting...

Namaste

Okay, back on topic.
What I'd be interested in (topic of levels and such aside), is how your vibrational average (for lack a better word) changed as a result of the lessons. Was there a noticeable difference? Did something 'click'? Or was it more like a mental itch that finally got scratched? Like pieces of the puzzle coming together?

[tone3jaguar]

You do of course realize the irony taking place when you feel victimised by an individual ambigously discussing vicitimitis?

I had really no idea that I was far or close to the end of this souls progression until about 3 days after I had crossed the finish line. I realized it because my guides told me that I had reached the end. It happened on my way to Sedona on the airplane. I was listening to the Tao Te Ching by Wayne Dyre. He read one of the verses and his essay on it where he talked about how the only true way to defend against evil was with love and light. It clicked for me that he was right, I accepted it as a new core belife, and a sence of calm and relief came over me that I had not experienced since I was an innocent child.

The timming was impecable, I have no doubt that my higher self already knew exactly when this was going to occur and this is why he decided that I should visit sedona on the dates that he gave me. I rolled right from the end of the souls progression right into preporation for ascension within 24 hours.

[recallone]

I don't feel victimized. I did see how you were trying to claim that position of power over the conversation, however. I just didn't feel the need to point out the obvious contradictions within your own post to make my point. But since you've insisted...

"I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff..."
"...I could have saved myself alot of greif."
"I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing..."


In that case, here is your Meritorious Service Medal. Wear it with pride.

[conjuredUp]

Spiritual thug.... that is CLASSIC.

I keep seeing the Dali Lama with a mohawk and tats.
A bandana and love beads.
Hanging on the corner handing out flowers.
Sweet.

Good reading. Thanks, you bunch of brainiacs.

LOVELOVELOVE,
C

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by recallone

I don't feel victimized. I did see how you were trying to claim that position of power over the conversation, however. I just didn't feel the need to point out the obvious contradictions within your own post to make my point. But since you've insisted...

"I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff..."
"...I could have saved myself alot of greif."
"I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing..."


In that case, here is your Meritorious Service Medal. Wear it with pride.

What ever, I have said what i am going to say about it.

[Czymra]

If you ever figure that none of you was wrong, I'd love to hear about it. See you in the past-life (or next dimension)!

[Unified Serenity]

It was great catching up on this thread, thanks for the back n forth exchange recall and tone.

It is interesting that I used to read tarot at Sowain for the community and one aspect done by another reader was the card for the year. You focused, drew a card and it represented the energy surrounding you for your lesson to work with that year.

I find I progress in an area with what feels like a hyper spiritual learning curve. Synchronicity happens during this time a lot in the places I go, people I meet, and understanding or more importantly letting go of stuff. Then I plateau and feels like a bit of a pendulum swing not backwards, but shifting of energy... as when my kids have their growing spurts. They chunk up a bit, grow like a weed, then look lean and grow into their new body and look really fit and strong. Then they can absorb more, chunk up etc.. That's how my path feels for me.

Ego is or has always been a big problem with me. I was gifted with so much and I'm super curious, independent / confident, exceptional athlete (well once until I was crippled in an auto accident 9 years ago) which taught me a lot of lessons. I'm just now really appreciating all that has happened, except not having the lean fit body I once had. Body is important to me, not to look sexy, but feeling strong and able. Now, I admit my limits, and have a lot of pain despite meditation, breathing, and trying to get healthy. So, all of this spiritual seeking for truth and walking the path of divine unity and love has so many dichotomies to me.

God, I feel as though I am rambling, but I can share with you all. I tear up now just appreciating the love and light I see within you all here, and connect with information you choose to share, and for that I do appreciate you all so much.

I guess my lesson right now is to learn to be ok with feeling weak and needing help. I am freakishly strong for a woman. Hell, I used to break my opponents tennis rackets with my serve (back when we had wood rackets), but that doesn't happen regularly even for the fastest serves. I can beat my strapping 16 yr old son arm wrestling, pick up my 130 pound wife like she is a twig, but I can't run, can't lose the weight I gained from my accident, and have a lot of pain. I see the universal truths of love and living honestly in truth with all, and want to exude that love and peace to all, and have gotten better at not being self focused, but then I think ****.... am I being selfish in this desire to walk this path because I want to evolve spiritually for self gain? Do I walk in detachment? How as a mother do I detach and yet still let my children feel loved? I care, I desire for them to walk in love and truth so am I detached..... ok I will quit rambling, and if you got this far, I commend you. If you feel anything in this and want to share, I am open.

Oh, I did want to say that I used to love debates, but no longer do. I like sharing information, but I really don't care if they agree or not with me. Not out of a haughty attitude, just "ok thanks for sharing" and move on. That was a big change for me. I still talk a lot, duh and share .... duh again, I mean look at my posts. Ok, verbosity is over. I feel good for sharing.

Thanks again