A Few Understandings to Share, Part Two - Multi-dimensional Cosmic Change

[tone3jaguar]

Honestly, it is really all up in the air and is totally dependent on who you are and how far along you are spiritually. The only blanket statement I think I would be willing to make now is that reality will change significantly to one degree or another. My paradigm on this whole deal has transformed quite a bit since this thread was originally made some time back. The more you know, the less you know.

My current understanding is that there are different levels of the 4th dimension that we are supposed to move into. The primary lowest frequency zone of it is going to supposedly be more like normal waking reality is now. The only difference being that the laws of reality will be much more pliable. Ask me again in a month and I might have a different understanding on it.

[Vidya Moksha]

Wow, lots of things to say about this thread and without that nice bottle of red wine Im sure i wouldnt even attempt it.
According to the yogis in the next 'stage' or 'dimension' or whatever name you wish to apply, then we will directly manifest anything we think about. We are told we can do this now (e.g. the secret - which I quote as it is well known, which is itself the same as ancient buddhist texts), but our minds are too cluttered to focus on what we want. To paraphrase an ancient yogic lesson, an 'ascended' being 'wakes up' in the new reality....and after a while wonders when night will fall, which it promptly does....'but if this is night where do i sleep?'..a bed appears...oh but at night will it be safe? maybe there are tigers in the night...so the tiger appears and eats him....i'm sure you get the gist...So maybe that is worth bearing in mind, think positively! realise all you wish for will manifest....

Anyway, what really prompted this reply, and it may be off original topic, was the mention of the Tarot and the 22 paths...I have been using the Tarot of 20 odd years now and about 6 years ago I realised the Tarot was a tool for 'spiritual awakening', or put another way, was a summary of various esoteric philosophies, which claim to show the path. Most Tarot books still see the 22 paths as a metaphor for our 'life journey' and usually slip into Jungian philosophy to discuss these paths..I could post these 22 paths if anyone is interested, but I hold no value in them personally.
Rather the 22 paths are a summary of the path to enlightenment. Or at least enlightenment as per the yogic/qabalistic/buddhist teachings, which are all essentially man made and 'male' dominated in their concepts...They do however, point to the 'truth', even if they do use 'male' concepts to do so....
I use male and female energies here, as they do, and they describe basic postive/ negative or yin/yang or light/dark concepts....nothing to do with gender in human terms.
As a brief and over simple overview to the Tarot path I offer the following: 'God' used to be a woman. Miraculously she bled with the rhythmic cycle of the moon, yet she did not die. She had life giving powers and from her breasts flowed milk to nourish the new life that she created. Eventually our understanding of the Universe grew and we were confronted with a more complicated view of the world.
200 years or so BC, in the age of Pisces, farmers began to realise that although the Earth Brought forth life, the supreme creative energy came from the Sun. Man also realised he had a hand in creation. Having played second fiddle for so long the backlash against women was severe and so traumatized the human race that we are still suffering from it. The sun was now worshipped, and it was believed that it died every night to be reborn again in the east every morning. This belief led to the creation of heaven and hell and gave rise to the belief that when we die we are judged by the Sun god - Osiris.
A new fact of life was created, that life comes from death and much blood was spilled on the earth as human sacrifices ensured the rise of the new sun. A tremendous power was placed in the hands of the priests who inserted themsleves between the people and the gods and implied personal responsibility for the rebirth of the sun.
Towards the end of Aeon of Osiris human blood was replaced by animal blood, which was replaced by wine. By the start of the 20th Century science had confirmed that the sun still shone on the other side of the earth at night. The new formula is one of continuing growth. We, like the sun, do not die; death is an illusion.
The newly crowned and conquering child is Horus, who as The Lord of the new Aeon is called Heru-ra-ha. He is Lord of Light, Love, Liberty and Life. The child god is both male and female and light and dark and to express this duality Heru-ra-ha has two forms; Hoor-pa-kraat is the passive and innocent god of slience and Ra-Hoor-Khuit is the active and violent hawk-headed avenger of the gods. We have to unite the male and female energies to make the 'ascension' to the next aeon.

OK...that same idea in a non tarot format would look something like this...we start with nothing, and to be enlightened we end at nothing...but the latter nothing is complete with experience and knowledge....its hard to grasp and hard to explain....often they use the equation 0=2. where 2 actually means cancelling opposites, so ying /yang, male female etc ..in math terms 0=(+1)+(-1). We cant analyze 'nothing', in the sense of absence of anything..hence this formula...now most philosophies dont stop at 2 points, yogis have 3 gunas, the abhidhamma buddhist texts have? (maybe 56 i forget)...anyway the concept is the same......let me give an analogy..we start with nothing, we are 'enlightened'..we are 'white light'.....we are born.we forget who we are and must become enlightened again...imagine that white light passing through a prism into many different colours...we must blend those colours (facets of ourselves) back into the perfect proportions that create white light again, i.e we become enlightened, we are 'transcended', whatever you want to call it....
so..the 22 Tarot cards, which each have a path on the tree of life, describe this process from 0 to 0. Or, in tarot terms, from the Fool to the Universe.
We are all unique, and we all have different starting points. I have posted how to calculate your personal tarot card on my wall, have a look, the tree of life is there also. On the tree of life, there is a line called the abyss. Manifestation only occurs below this line, above is beyond intellectual reasoning. If we think we are enlightened or have made it, we are truly deluded..these 'realities' are beyond any comprehension we could articulate. There are many warnings in the tarot that when we believe we have 'made it', there is considerable distance to the 'next' level and so on, and as I say, the final steps are beyond anything I could describe.

So..that was a long introduction to the paths...I have never written this out before, so i hope it makes sense. Frankly I am still digesting a lot of information about this path, and my 'ideas' are certainly not fixed at this stage. This is, therefore, my latest thinking on the spiritual meaning behind the 22 cards. .0 (actually 22 in tarot terms) is the fool, innocence, complete faith in the universe 1. the magician has the 4 basic elements at his command in raw format...2. The High Priestess has 'raw' basic spiritual energy at her command. 3, The empress is mother earth, a place to manifest this story...4. The emperor provides the rules and physical laws, there must be some order to our world 5. The Hierophant provides the spiritual 'law' 6. The lovers represents male and female energies in their raw format, not yet blended, this is the 'marriage' of these 2 properties. 7. The chariot shows the male and female energies blended for the first time (inside the holy grail) and 'speeding' onwards with the mix 8. Adjustment (not strength, that was a deliberate error introduced by Waite), is a need to balance these energies for the first time. 9. The hermit is a time for introspection and calm after this onrush of new experience. 10. The wheel of fortune is what the universe throws at us into this mix, good and bad luck..11. Lust (strength) is the first time we offer our 'blend' to the universe (we offer the holy grail, which contains the blood of the angels) 12. the hanged man is now redundant, it is a sacrifice we dont have to make in this age..(although there are deeper meanings to this card also)..13.Death is the change that we undergo after taking all this on board, we must change in light of our journey so far 14. 'Art' (or temperance) is the next stage to the lovers card, we once agin mix the basic elements of male and female within us..15.The Devil is all about ego, we must have the direction and will power to put ourselves and our blend into the universe, this is not a passive process. 16. The Tower. all that we thought we knew is destroyed. we realise that we were deluded, we see a new reality based on our journey so far. we lose all sense of out material world..17.The Star, and realise we are of the stars as well as the earth, we are deeply spiritual beings..18. Moon, but we are scared, we have no guide and the way is dark. we must have strength to go on, we must lose the fear...19. The Sun, always comes out, it is darkest just before the new dawn.we rejoice in who we really are. 20.The New Aeon, we realise we are both male and female and that our last reality was too male dominated. we are both, this is essential....21, The universe...we have made it, we are back in the light again, we take our place in the universe...

HHmmm, i hope that makes sense. It is a shallow overview of a deep subject and I have never written it out before, I hope it makes sense. For what its worth, I havent seen the above in any texts, i think its my own understanding of the cards on a spiritual level...

wow..enough..hope this was of value. Goodnight (more wine please)

[recallone]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

It is part of the construct of our 3d reality to view aspects of ourselves as different than aspects of others. Much of this is supposed to dissolve when we get to the 4th dimension. Here I guess that just about everyone is aware of the concept that we are all essentially one being. However, the illusion of seperation will still exist there to some degree. It is not until the soul has learned to truly overcome all of the seperation illusions in 3rd and 4th density and let go of a desire to be an individual that they are ready for the omnipresent non-seperation reality of the 5th-7th dimensions. Or that is the way that I understand it. David Wilcock has been studying the Law Of One material for over a decade. He would have a much more articulate and accurate explanation than the one that I am presenting here.

So I think that if you go strait to throwing out all aspects of your individuality while here in the 3rd dimension then you will fail to learn all of the lessons that are supposed to be tought while in this state of consciousness. So a philisophical / metaphysical understanding of the fact that we are all actually part of the same consciousness is important information to have if one is setting up moral and ethical rules to apply to thier life and how they interact with society.

Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do. Actually living as though we have no individuality in this domain is not what we are supposed to do. It is one of those Zen paradoxes that you have to ponder and make up your mind about yourself.

I've got to admit something, tone...anytime I see a statement that begins with 'According to such and such..' or that we're supposed to do a certain something, or that something is supposed to happen this way - I'm automatically hesitant of what's to follow. I'm familiar with David Wilcock's work and I'm familiar with the Law of One. I'm also familiar with the Tao te ching, the Bible, and a number of other books and opinions. Which one do I endorse? None of them.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?, then moved beyond that to embrace a greater truth. (Me too, btw). But when you talk of learning lessons and "Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do"- it tells me that you're attaching yourself to truths that should otherwise be considered transient. It's only true right now, for you. It's important to recognize that you can't grasp the next truth if you're still holding onto yesterday's truth. I don't mean to harp on you and please don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen how the Law of One work in particular has managed to hit some of the same key notes that will feel especially familiar for Christians. The kind of notes that divide.

Beyond the lessons of this teacher and that author, what feels like truth? If something doesn't gel, don't just repeat it with the disclaimer of 'according to' but continue to do what all of us have BEEN doing....questioning EVERYTHING. That includes the opinions of so-called enlightened ones.

I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

just my two cents worth.
peace and light to all
recallone

[Czymra]

Wow, well spoken recallone.
The traps of yet another 'division' are too numerous to even count and many materials and people are filled with those memes. It seems the hardest part to just let go of ascension, of being first, best.
But if you do, how to keep from being lazy? It's a thin line to walk.

[Anchor]

Agree - excellent post recallone. Discretion is what its all about. Never stop questioning your sources.

There is an infallible point of reference in all of us, and the paradox is here that we have to learn to see it and not to doubt that one

[Practitioner]

I believe there is nothing wrong with having faith in a principle or teaching during one's quest for truth. And actually, whether 'science' or 'spirituality,' aren't both seeking truth, understanding and actualization?

I can say that there historically have been many prophets, many ways of practice, and several ways that have taken the form of religion. Ultimately, one practice would disparage another and tell its followers not to listen to others. The issue with orthodox religions and ways of cultivation practice is that the underlying principles do vary between them, their goals may be different, their methods of progress are different, and the forms of energy circulation and bodily transformation (if any) are different. At a certain point it has thus been necessary for a practitioner to choose one path in order to make real progress, else the different practices would conflict with one another. This is one reason that orthodox practices would disparage or discredit one another.

There are also different forms of gods and higher beings, including Buddhas, Taos and Gods that westerners are familiar with. Their characteristics and forms of existence are different, and as a result their teachings and methods of cultivation are somewhat different as well.

What is a higher being then? A higher being is one who is composed of more refined, more microcosmic, and more potent energy matter than we human beings.

[tone3jaguar]

Recallone, thank you for putting much thought and analysis into my postings in this thread. This is part of what makes a healthy discussion. We are both walking the path, however I think we may be at different stages of this path which leads to the differences in our paradigms.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

Please re-read the post. I have said nothing to the effect that there will be a greater sence of seperation leading up to and after the shift. I actually said that there will be a softening of the concept of seperation after the shift. The illusion of seperation from a sensory perception level will still exist in the next realm. No matter how evolved we think we have become in this life, we are not ready for the status of demigods.

In my paradigm, there are 27 archetypes of learning that each soul is going to go through in 3rd density as part of the design of this particular galaxy. Until the lessons learned during these experiences that are spread over multiple lifetimes are completed, the full evolutionary step up to the higher dimensions will not occur. If people are not ready before the shift, they will still jump to 4th density. However they will all be in a zone of 4th density where in the construct is very much similar to as it is here. This way they can complete thier souls progression through this learning curve and fully ascend when they are ready to. So their will be a partial ascension scenario going on for the majority of humans on the planet at this time.

I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?

Nope, maby in a past life. The only religion I was exposed to at a young age was Shamanism, which really is not a religion because there are no set rules teachings or parameters.

Remembering the wisdom accumulated from past experiences is a far cry from allowing ones self to hold on to the emotions of these experiences which can lead to the fragmenting of ones consciousness during these times. Living in the moment does not mean never thinking of the past. It means never living in the emotions of the past.

I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

I agree with what you are saying here. However, as long as you are still alive, complete seperation from your ego 24/7 is not going to be possible. The non-ambiguous definition of the ego is "Who you belive you are in this world". It is very possible during meditation to completely seperate youself from your ego. How are you going to seperate youself from your ego when you are at the grocery store? How will you stand in line at the check out without recognizing that there are 4 people standing in line before you? In order to do this you would have to be in an omnipresent state of consciousness seperate from the meat suit we are all born with. That is not going to happen in this dimension.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by NorthernSantuary

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.

Is this meant to imply that those living within radiant zones are the only ones that would survive?

[tone3jaguar]

My personal opinion is that the concept of a radiant zone is flawed. The grid of the earth transmits the collective frequencies of consciousness over the planet in order to maintain some sort of homeostasis. It is like when you have batteries in series. You could have 100 double A batteries that are fully charged hooked up together. If you then take the charge down on one of them it will reduce the total output of them all. So radiant zones are good in the sense that they help to raise the frequency of the entire planet. On the other hand, the concept of them being safer places to be may not be entirely accurate. Again, this is my opinion. There is no way to prove it one way or the other.