ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

[clarkkent]

[fixed - A..]

just stating the obvious folks and i know all the "alternate timlines" makes it difficult BUT

the timeline I'M on all these people were pretty "off" in their predictions,
--since this summer theres been a lot of alarmist doom-y predictions, and almost all of them were wrong or not as severe.

the only thing that has come true is economic turmoil and any non conspiracy economist couldve told you the same over a year ago.

st clair said mcpalin would win and boasted about his track record with predictions about bush's 2 terms and the non event of y2k he called all those, clearly he was wrong about this and only now is talking about this "plan B" and said he didnt predict it because he didnt want to give energy to it (because he didnt want any responsibility for an obama presidency--yet he gives plenty of energy to earth changes/disasters, moving to the mountains advice)

deagle's and HPH's oct 7th hoedown was blown up out of proportion, yes financial poo went down, but not on the magnitude of a 9-11 disaster...we all have our jobs and theres no martial law.

"hawkeye's" october coup, disaster roth's bringing america to its knees, dissidents being carted off in fema trucks blah blah blah...none of it happened.

and then theres "looking glass" technology that showed hillary and the white house under water etc...obviously thats not happening as well.

now people can point out that "well they're seeing other timelines" well guess what theyre scaring the sh*t out of people in THIS timeline and theyre never predicting the multitude of possiblities in random timelines, its always "get ready for such and such in a week!" (in YOUR timeline)

add all this plus random predictions of joe biden dropping out, hillary replacing him etc etc and a bunch of other ridiculous speculation from iffy sources. people post whatever scary prediction they can and post in caps "LOOK AT THIS!!!!!!!"

is this how people spiritually and mentally prepare themselves? is this an enlightened forum or a conspiracy version of the evening news? "this JUST in! orange juice...the SECRET killer?!...tune in at 11!!..."

absolutely NONE of this stuff has happened. yet people here endlessly speculate and/or prepare for the worst in "survival" mode--look, we all know and feel big changes coming , im just saying lets use some discernment and not get caught up in every possible horrible scenario. out of all those people discussed above the one not mentioned, david wilcock, has been the most correct yet he doesnt get much discussion here because he doesnt play the fear/doom/death/destruction/survival card.

food for thought.

[Magii]

Totally Agree ..

Its ok .. The DOOMER / GLOOMERS .. they are gonna say well it was a different timeline.. O because we came out with the information we changed the outcome .. sort of thing.. and a couple months down the line .. New DOOM will enter!

[THE eXchanger]

well; they all can NOT be right all the time

i personally believe, that many people are
"dreaming up" a "new reality"
and, for the 80% moving in the right direction,
there are 20% who are NOT,
it is NOT as grave, as many put out there,
as, long as the greed card, is, in the game,
there are too many involved in all the rings,
that, they are NOT going to let it fall,
without a big fight !!!

so, it will be "business"/"greed", as ususal

i was right on Obama

i also wonder, if i am right about 1/29/2009 -
that, is a day of 5 aces
1 + 29 (2+9=11) in a 2009 (2+9=11 year)
so, it is the day of 1-1-1-1-1
5 aces, so, will Obama take over on 1/20/2009
and, 9 days (for completion/and, new beginnings)
and, on 1/29/2009- he will die ???

(jan 20-29/2009) 9 days
sometime, before 5am
& then what !!!
(what will occur that day ???)

i know something will happen that day,
as, i see it
(perhaps, i will be wrong)
time_lines do alter, change & shift

i do NOT believe, we have seen the last
of hillary

Predictions, are just that predictions,
NOT always will they be right,
however, the timelines will alter, change and shift
in accordance, with the collective consciousness,
of which, i believe, it can be quite dangerous,
to sit in it, however, sitting at the edges of it,
aiding, and, assisting the altering/changing and shifting of the all in all, is eXactly why many of us,
have choosen to be here in this time,
i suppose, it is time for "the many" to awaken,
and, join "the few" who are doing things,
that are assisting, in proving, many predictions,
to be "off the mark"...
there are an infinite amount of possibilities
of how, to climb up a mountain,
oft times, one way, is quicker than another,
however, all paths, will eventually lead you up
the same mountain,
and, get you to the summit...
about the only thing you can be,
is to be an authentic "card",
and, play your card...
pretty silly, to come to earth, and, NOT discover
the Who, Why, Where, When and, hoW of you !!!
so, how do you find out that,
it is quite simple, start asking,
if you ask, the answer to that, is oft times, given to you !!!

brightest blessings
susan / the eXchanger

[Heretic]

You will not find wise men on the soapbox screaming warnings to the masses

they will answer when you go to them and ask the right questions

[jpvskyfreak]

You know what I am starting to agree ....

The problem is most people in the good part are honest and have a conscience so when they hear some of the information presented they take it as being real or "true to come" , myself included ...

There are people uprooting their lives and spending big money to relocate themselves due to this information ... myself and Orion flew all the way to Australia from Hong Kong to attend the Nexus conference and our ONLY reason for going was to go and see Bill & Kerry in person and listen to their presentation. I wanted to speak with them at length about some of the issues but we never got that far, but we did enjoy our brief dinner with you Kerry "Thanks"..

Bill & Kerry are just the messengers and they are trying to do us a service by providing a medium for this information ... But I am strongly starting to doubt the reputability of some of their sources, I am sure it is frustrating for them as well not to mention stressful..

Besides getting food & supplies I definitely will not be relocating my family anytime soon ....

I am also tired of waking up waiting for bad news or seeing what the next move is from the illuminati ... I enjoy and love the UFO / ET information to the highest degree but the doomsday stuff is wearing my psyche down.

Anyway just my thoughts .... I am sure many more feel the same.

[Carol]

ahhh, but the timeline changed early last July I suspect with a little help from our friends above. And I've been saying this now for the past 3 1/2 months when it was clear that Hillary was not going to get the nomination. She was on the other time-line as prez.

And yes, time lines are real. And yes, they get altered. Given how the present stands now.. truly, the future is anyones guess because we got turned in a new direction where we really do have an active effect on how events unfolded from day to day.

The future is not set in cement.. it is an unfurling curl of ongoing creation which is "also" generated by conscious awareness.

[Jacqui D]

Originally Posted by jpvskyfreak

You know what I am starting to agree ....

The problem is most people in the good part are honest and have a conscience so when they hear some of the information presented they take it as being real or "true to come" , myself included ...

There are people uprooting their lives and spending big money to relocate themselves due to this information ... myself and Orion flew all the way to Australia from Hong Kong to attend the Nexus conference and our ONLY reason for going was to go and see Bill & Kerry in person and listen to their presentation. I wanted to speak with them at length about some of the issues but we never got that far, but we did enjoy our brief dinner with you Kerry "Thanks"..

Bill & Kerry are just the messengers and they are trying to do us a service by providing a medium for this information ... But I am strongly starting to doubt the reputability of some of their sources, I am sure it is frustrating for them as well not to mention stressful..

Besides getting food & supplies I definitely will not be relocating my family anytime soon ....

I am also tired of waking up waiting for bad news or seeing what the next move is from the illuminati ... I enjoy and love the UFO / ET information to the highest degree but the doomsday stuff is wearing my psyche down.

Anyway just my thoughts .... I am sure many more feel the same.

Feeling much the same way, so wanting the change!! Then the predictions!!
Nothing!! so what's happened, still sitting here waiting!!
The 14th of october came and went, hoped something would come about then the financial crash well that did happen and i think there is still more to come on that agenda we are far from out of the poo just yet.
I just hoping my husbands and kids work will stay for the new year we are really watching our pennies at the moment. And xmas coming up another expence even if you get a little something it's still extra when you don't have much.
People have been talking about relocating well i wouldn't be able to, even basic storing of food etc is just a no no at the moment.
So i'm just sitting here biding my time and waiting for what ever comes around the corner.

Originally Posted by Heretic

You will not find wise men on the soapbox screaming warnings to the masses
they will answer when you go to them and ask the right questions

Now that is most likely the most profound statement I have heard on Avalon

[Ampgod]

We learn/teach with these people.
They help shape us and we, undoubtedly, are helping to shape them.

I am feeling that we are not on a destructive path as many claim.
But a path of great change which may have some temp. turmoil.

That is what my intuition tells me.
I could be off.
But that is my 2 cents.

Predictions are just predictions, a warning, not a fate. Its fantastic that these doosmday monologues that were thrown out all at once havent come to pass - perhaps this in itself is a testament to the changes people are making in order to advert the *potential* chaos. Looking glass technology was a way of seeing a temporal and ephemeral future, not a determined one. We shouldnt be looking for predictions (and making martyrs of them) to determine our own actions, its is continually taking away from self-responsibility. Yes, we share a collective timeline (through our projections), but whether we are aware of it or not, we are interdimensional beings (we're so good at it, we can do it in our sleep!) so we are always operating on multiple (perhaps infintie) timeline or possiblilities, our dispositions attracting and adhereing us to the one which is in our likeness. Once again, not residing in fear, based on someone elses experience is so very integral to the entire universal shift. We shall not see with their eyes and hear with their ears - nothing shall be hidden from us, when we are fearless.

"Aure entuluva!" (Day shall come again!)

Thank you for starting this thread - it is a good topic to discuss.

Manwathiel.

[I_Am]

Aerion&Manwathiel: wise words!
A prophesy is not the thruth. Following prophesies is very dangerous as they tend to be self fulfilling.
Although it is a troublesome thing that many of the leaders of the world seems to be living as they where fulfilling the Armageddon prophesies...

Let's keep up the hope and love!

Originally Posted by aearion&manwathiel

Predictions are just predictions, a warning, not a fate. Its fantastic that these doosmday monologues that were thrown out all at once havent come to pass - perhaps this in itself is a testament to the changes people are making in order to advert the *potential* chaos. ...

[Allie]

There have been many valid points made on this thread

One which I was just thinking about has just been mentioned by Harper in respect of 'reacting'.

I think this is a really important point. When we read information its all too easy to see the drama of it, or that it in some other way resonates - or does not - with your worldview. It's easy to then 'react to it, rather than taking a step back and 'considering' it from a few angles. Even if it means stepping back from the worldview that you hold.

The '30-day' UK thing is a case in point. That would have been so easy to react to, but if you stopped, took a step back and then applied a little reasoning, the flaws became very apparent.

[tomorrow]

Thanks for this thread! I've been following HPH (along with George Ure) and George Green for a few years. I now feel like I've been had!

I no longer want this doom and gloom to be my reality! I was getting a bit depressed with the HPH October 7th date prediction. But if you look back over the years, HPH and George Ure have been calling for a dire future for a long time. Just maybe, one day, the web-bots will get it right!

HPH (Cliff) also consults with astrologers and I have more faith in them than HPH. No one needs a crystal ball (or web-bots) to tell you the economy is a disaster waiting to happen.

I am prepped all I'm going to be. I'm going to make decisions based on my reality not on what someone else says. I'm going to enjoy life!

peace

[Lotus]

Thanks Clark!

I too go too caught up in the doom and gloom scenarios suggested by some "seers" on Camelot. Then I put the brakes on and came up for air, and now don't give them much credence.

Sure the times ahead may be tough, but as Dannion Brinkley reminds us: we are awesome, powerful spiritual beings!

A deeper understanding of metaphysics clearly shows how are minds shape reality - so let's stay with the light and shine on the dark. And trust in God.

As to St. Clair I feel very confused by his glowing endorsement of Sarah Palin. She seems like such a shallow right wing caricature. I can't imagine how a person who doesn't know that Africa is a continent and what countries comprise North America (quoted on Fox) could ably run this nation. This makes me suspect all his pronouncements.

And back to Dannion. An earlier thread wondered why folks like Dannion aren't given more space here. Having met him I feel he's the real deal. Some time back a thread to one of his videos was moved to off-topic. I tried to find out why from a mod. No answer.

The beat goes on.

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Thanks Clark!

I too go too caught up in the doom and gloom scenarios suggested by some "seers" on Camelot. Then I put the brakes on and came up for air, and now don't give them much credence.

Sure the times ahead may be tough, but as Dannion Brinkley reminds us: we are awesome, powerful spiritual beings!

A deeper understanding of metaphysics clearly shows how are minds shape reality - so let's stay with the light and shine on the dark. And trust in God.

As to St. Clair I feel very confused by his glowing endorsement of Sarah Palin. She seems like such a shallow right wing caricature. I can't imagine how a person who doesn't know that Africa is a continent and what countries comprise North America (quoted on Fox) could ably run this nation. This makes me suspect all his pronouncements.

And back to Dannion. An earlier thread wondered why folks like Dannion aren't given more space here. Having met him I feel he's the real deal. Some time back a thread to one of his videos was moved to off-topic. I tried to find out why from a mod. No answer.

The beat goes on.

I agree Dannion is the real deal. His story is so convincing. Also many of his predictions that he wrote about years ago have come true!!

[pilgrim]

Well said Clark, even a broken clock is right twice a day (with or without a timeline change).
This timeline business is a great opt-out clause for those making predictions.
I predict some people will not be happy with that statement because 5/11/2009 divided by X =Y, if the timeline doesn't change, that is

[Spinner]

Very good thread Clark. I have been thinking the same thing. How gullible can we be? These predictions have been coming out for years and years and when they don't come true, people then make up excuses as to why they didn't come true, amazing.
They say things like well, they didn't come true because we announced it. Where was there any shred of evidence that it was true to begin with?
When something does come true, there is a big write up about this great prediction when any one of us could have predicted the same thing.

[martian31v]

great post clark. lets stop speculating and start acting. volunteer, participate, be a part of a solution.

[ralok_j]

Clark, I have to disagree with you somewhat about HPH and 10-07. This is the date that could be the beginning of the end of our economy. Yes, there are too many variables and what-ifs that can or can not happen that will determine the ultimate fate. But, if the economic data continues to move in the direction it is currently moving HPH will have a rather accurate prediction.

[shijing]

I agree with that also -- with St Clair and Deagle, we have been pretty much just asked to take their word on what they say without very much to back it up as far as I could ever tell (they each have a background story that is objectively hard to assess). In the case of sources like Hawkeye, since they are an undisclosed source that by definition can't be verified, we have to pretty much just take that on faith as well. However, in the case of HPH, Clif High at least provides a general explanation of how they do what they do, makes no promises (instead making their forecasts probabilistic, and mentioning often that they do have misses), and gets data out so that people can draw their own conclusions. I also have to admit that although the particulars didn't appear to pan out (a roughly equal combination of economic and military chaos), the timeframe of the economy beginning to publicly unravel did get hit pretty close. I am therefore taking their last report (which they give away free in exchange for a Michael Tsarion book or video receipt for anyone who doesn't know that yet) seriously, while keeping in mind that it is a forecast, not a prediction.

[jpvskyfreak]

It didn't take a rocket scientist to see the economy was going to tank ... Buffet & Gates sold all their share holdings a year ago... they have access to the best economists and accountants in the world.... who had the most to lose / gain they do ... I knew a fall was near when they cashed out.

Looking glass might need a clean!

[ghglenn]

I am still leaning to HPH being more valueable than pure prophecy. There is some actual, science behind the forecasts.
It would be the equivalent of using tech.charts for forecasting stock market trends.
I think they nailed Oct. 7th, for people to believe that we are remotely out-of-the-woods is far from the truth.
We are gonna go through some "uncomfortable" times, to say the least, over the next year.

[quest]

its basically at service of ariman or so, food for certain entities, grays, jing, whatever.. some folks just don't want to hear about it, no matter how often its told. luv & light folks.

[Rocky_Shorz]

The interesting thing is, the Mayan Calendar named the 6th as the end of night, the 7th is the new dawn...

Putin, The Nordics, Saudi Arabia and Asia all played a part, so I myself will never shame the prophets for their warnings. The Illuminati is still standing with their mouths hanging, wondering what went wrong.

Now is the moment we should be waking up and glad the nightmare has passed. Oprah even said that a change of consciousness was happening...

It is being felt all over the world

There were many evil plans put in motion and all of them stopped...

We are meant for a brighter tomorrow...

[Selene]

Thanks, Clark, for saying exactly what I've been privately thinking. Maybe, in the "world" of these people, the sky is indeed falling, and disaster is looming all around them..... That's what they expect; that's most likely what they'll eventually get.

Fear is a powerful magnet. But then, so is love. Your life is, indeed, your own creation.

Funny about that.

Regards,
Selene