Are you afraid to die?

Peace of mind · 02-09-2010, 04:45 PM

If so, are you afraid because it is of the unknown? That’s understandable because there isn’t one person (living) that can explain what death is really like…it’s all speculations. Could this be the real reason why most are afraid to stand up against obvious threats? Or is it that most people subconsciously feel they will go to hell because of their uncontrollable urges to indulge in foolish and/or inconsiderate sins? I’m very aware of many theories/ideas of the after life (if there is one), but do these creative thoughts console you in dealing with the inevitable? IMO, I feel most ideas of death have no supporting facts other then making the believer feel comfy while blindly justifying their own destruction to life. Do you like living in a reality where the societies generate more chaos than beauty? Is locking your self behind closed doors and becoming one with cyber strangers the answer…I mean, is this style of seclusion helping to get rid of the necessary problems outside of your own comfort zone? I can see how some people living in this way often think that everything is all good and lovely.

Have you ever thought that giving up your own life to save the specie, the world, and all of its inhabitants is what this generation was meant to do? Or do you feel it is the job for others to give up their life for your liberty and freedom? I’m inclined to think that if you truly love someone/thing you will sacrifice (your life is need be) to keep it safe. What we do now is very important for future generations. How can you love humanity where there is very little love being shared in humanity? Could you die for a brighter world for others, or would you rather wait with dying optimism and fingers crossed for unconfirmed outside assistance? Would you rather die on your feet or live on your knees? Or continue living in delusion within your voluntary solitary confinement? Yeah, we all have a choice and the right to do what we want…hmmm, that might just be one of the problems…

What is your idea of death?
I’m thinking the various perceptions of death haves a whole lot to do with the way people go about their lives…
Please feel free to discuss, your insight is very important. If this is a disturbing topic please delete it, and accept my apologies. thnx

Peace

Céline · 02-09-2010, 04:47 PM

Its not the what...its the how...

joe2288 · 02-09-2010, 04:49 PM

I do not fear death in the sense of leaving the body to move back to

higher realms of existence. I do fear the way you die, example drowning, falling

off a cliff Ect.

trainedobserver · 02-09-2010, 05:08 PM

Death is nothing to be feared. Death is a vital component of life without which new life could not arise. Death comes to all living things. Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death. Actually, when you closely examine the state of death, it greatly resembles 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'paradise' and so forth. In death there is no desire and no suffering. It is indeed the great rest, the great relief, the liberation from suffering and want. I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired.

When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace.

Peace

gita · 02-09-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Death is nothing to be feared. Death is a vital component of life without which new life could not arise. Death comes to all living things. Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death. Actually, when you closely examine the state of death, it greatly resembles 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'paradise' and so forth. In death there is no desire and no suffering. It is indeed the great rest, the great relief, the liberation from suffering and want. I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired.

Now this I completely agree with. Well said.

greybeard · 02-09-2010, 05:38 PM

I agree fully with trainedobserver.
Having faced death on quite a few occasions I have come to terms with it.
Last time was in the Indian Ocean.
A series of freak waves smashed me against the bottom three times, approx fifteen foot down. The last time not having had the chance to get a proper breath.
I relaxed ready to drown and to my surprise when I made the surface the sea was calm but a mass of foam. I was rescued by two life guards not having the strength to make it to shore.
If I died now that would be ok but I would like it to be in bed after a final cigarette.

Chris

trainedobserver · 02-09-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

A series of freak waves ...

I had a similar experience, although not as a close call as you had, while sailing in a tropical storm one summer. The catamaran overturned, we lost the mast, and we were way too far out to swin to shore. To our great relief the shore patrol saw us and came and got us. I do remember thinking, "I'm going to die doing this crazy thing!"

futureyes · 02-09-2010, 07:00 PM

are you afraid to die?

only if i have feared to live ...

be all we can BE ...

know the journey has no end ...

Peace of mind · 02-09-2010, 07:22 PM

@shaynard, illuminate and futureyes

Thats interesting trainobserver…but, I’m wondering more about the spirit, the individual identity.
Through meditations I came to a few conclusions myself. One of them is that your consciousness moves on to other realities to further learn. Another idea… is the consciousness of the individual will be existing in a reality of its own personal hell or heaven…depending on what that consciousness dwelled on the most (negative/positive), meaning that the body is now detached from the mind and the ego/identity is now expose to ampifications of itself/the pure mind, the thoughts of its own likeness, but amplified. I have some conflicting issues with both ideas but that is just what they are…ideas…like many others that can’t be proven factual by the living. I know we all like to imagine what death is like and that’s a good thing because it brings a peace of mind to the living. But ultimately, in the end we all should follow these wise words… “When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace.”
i like that...

Peace

MyShadow · 02-09-2010, 07:36 PM

No. In my mind it's like a birth.

The thing that does cause me some concern, is if it were to happen while I was young - how it would affect my family.

futureyes · 02-09-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MyShadow

No. In my mind it's like a birth.

The thing that does cause me some concern, is if it were to happen while I was young - how it would affect my family.

hi myshadow ... who we leave behind and their well being ... is of significant concern ... because we care ... we love ... it is the essence of who we are ...

i have surrendered to the idea ... that i feel to control ... what is 'best' ... for others ...
certainly if i had prior notice of my leaving this experience ... i would do all that i could do ... to assist ... streamlining my loved ones lives beyond my existance here ...
to assist ... but i now know ... i could not control ... such things ...

in the grand scheme of the blueprint of all that is ... what is it that i know ... do i know more than ... the greater power ... that allows the flow of our existance ... of how things flow within the blueprint ...

i don't ... no one does ... the greatest thing we can do ... is to TRUST ... to trust our families will be ok ... to trust we have extended our wisdom and our love to them ... throughout our duration here ...
and that they will carry forth ... with that of who we were ... and what we have shared with them ... remaining within them ...
and that they will be just fine ...

i feel ... this is why it is so important ... to be all we can be in this life experience right now ... to our greatest potential ... living LOVE ...
because this is a very significant foundation we are currently building ... foundation for a new paradigm ... there are so many souls here in this moment ... with this same opportunity ...

if we can feel within our hearts ... we have lived this life to the best of our abilities ... within love and not fear ...

then beyond our own physical self leaving one day ... we can ... with all heart ... TRUST ... our loved ones ... will be ...

loved ones ...

MyShadow · 02-10-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

hi myshadow ... who we leave behind and their well being ... is of significant concern ... because we care ... we love ... it is the essence of who we are ...

i have surrendered to the idea ... that i feel to control ... what is 'best' ... for others ...
certainly if i had prior notice of my leaving this experience ... i would do all that i could do ... to assist ... streamlining my loved ones lives beyond my existance here ...
to assist ... but i now know ... i could not control ... such things ...

in the grand scheme of the blueprint of all that is ... what is it that i know ... do i know more than ... the greater power ... that allows the flow of our existance ... of how things flow within the blueprint ...

i don't ... no one does ... the greatest thing we can do ... is to TRUST ... to trust our families will be ok ... to trust we have extended our wisdom and our love to them ... throughout our duration here ...
and that they will carry forth ... with that of who we were ... and what we have shared with them ... remaining within them ...
and that they will be just fine ...

i feel ... this is why it is so important ... to be all we can be in this life experience right now ... to our greatest potential ... living LOVE ...
because this is a very significant foundation we are currently building ... foundation for a new paradigm ... there are so many souls here in this moment ... with this same opportunity ...

if we can feel within our hearts ... we have lived this life to the best of our abilities ... within love and not fear ...

then beyond our own physical self leaving one day ... we can ... with all heart ... TRUST ... our loved ones ... will be ...

loved ones ...

Nice perspective!!

Trust? Not coming from fear - it's just complex, the world today - to leave dependents behind. The cards just seem stacked against "sink or swim". I just teach them swimming everyday!!

Tango · 02-10-2010, 10:06 PM

I don't want the next one, to be so bloody... Maybe, a go in your sleep, that would be nice....

Tango

ConsciousSponge · 02-10-2010, 10:43 PM

I accept life as it is, including the expiration date. My only concern is for the ones left behind. As much as I try to pass the flame within, their wicks are wet with fear or attachment to the physical world. We all find our way eventually, so I keep my faith there. One day this life will end and a new one will begin, whether I become an etheric spirit, a child of another race, a flower, or a stitch in the fabric of space that lovingly holds it all together doesn't matter...I will continue to be...matter or not.

GenerationIke · 02-10-2010, 11:07 PM

Yes, I am. And I should know better, but still I am.

metaw3 · 02-10-2010, 11:33 PM

I'm afraid of apathy in and around me, but I'm not afraid to die. It's unavoidable so I'm just curious.

trainedobserver · 02-09-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace of mind

@shaynard, illuminate and futureyes

Thats interesting trainobserver…but, I’m wondering more about the spirit, the individual identity.

The individual identity is tied to the physical structure of the brain. Change the physical structure through chemistry or surgery and you can change the personality, memory, and emotions. There is no need or real evidence for an etherical component you are concerned about. No worries in other words.

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One of them is that your consciousness moves on to other realities to further learn.

I wouldn't give a lot of weight to subjective experiences you may have during altered states of conciousness. They are notoriously unreliable.

To get a reasonable idea of what death is like try this thought experiement (or try it for real if you wish). Take your computer, boot it up, get something running on it. Take a ball-peen hammer and smash the CPU on the motherboard (or claw hammer if you simply must) and pound on the disk drive a couple times. You'll notice an immediate failure of the operating system, a total inablity to access the hard drive and the disappearance of whatever was being displayed on the screen. This is the state of death. Non-activity. The total loss of all information. A non-existence. The program that was running on the hardware doesn't fly off to run somewhere else, it ceases to exist as the circuits which supported its existence no longer exist.

If it isn't like that I'll be surpised shall we say.

amate · 02-09-2010, 08:42 PM

The secret of life some say ,
is "to die before you die and then find there is no death".
If you understand this you will know that you have nothing to fear
ever again.

Peace of mind · 02-09-2010, 09:34 PM

thats deep^^amate

@ trainedobserver

That sounds about right but the PC doesn’t have a spirit to govern its existence. Without outside interaction/programming the PC and all of its parts are practically dead or in limbo… waiting for a human/or alien to give it life. Humans are born into the world with a soul; there’s no need for outside help to move around. Could the program be running from somewhere else, perhaps? Humans have feelings, awareness, a sense of purpose, a desire for love and exploration. Maybe dreams, astral projections, and comas can be compared to death because the mind temporary leaves the body. But there also isn’t any proof the individual still functions (elsewhere) without a living body. hmmm

If a soul is able to be transfer from one body to another then that is reason to believe the individual spirit does continue living. But, I have no such proof of that just hear say.
That’s an interesting concept about the mind and body being one and once the body is done so is the mind, I can understand this logically from a living perspective, but how can we truly confirm this? I’m sure the real answer will present itself one day so it’s not really a serious matter…to me anyway. Thanx, trainedobserver

Let’s just say that our spirit left these vehicles to venture elsewhere…do you think that our dealings here and now will have any effect on our journeys into the unknown? Anyone know of any flat-liner cases when the patient came back “from the dead” after being clinically dead for some time?

Peace

trainedobserver · 02-09-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peace of mind

t
That sounds about right but the PC doesn’t have a spirit to govern its existence.

Of course, it is my contention that neither do we and questions about the particulars of an afterlife are

immaterial ... so to speak.

dagon · 02-09-2010, 09:57 PM

no

Frank Samuel · 02-09-2010, 10:18 PM

Death is not something I fear I have come to terms with death. My fear is committing the same mistakes over and over not learning anything at the end of each of my physical lives. A wasted life, no one to love, no one to care for.
The world is an incredible beautiful place size this moment and live your life as if it was your last day on the face of this earth.

Jack · 02-09-2010, 10:39 PM

At the risk of soundin like a big girl it absolutely grabs my heart that there is such an awake and aware bunch of true spiritual sorts who come visit this forum and with my slow computer telling me its 22:22 makes me wonder even more as i chilax through the evening.

Jack · 02-09-2010, 10:40 PM

Wheres the "im more afraid of life" option?

Carrie1971 · 02-10-2010, 06:45 AM

I have been there Twice.

Not my time yet.

I still have a mission to be here on this rock NOW in thie TIME.

There is nothing about death that I fear. It does not hurt at all.

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02-09-2010, 04:45 PM	#1
Peace of mind Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The uncharted consciousness Posts: 311	Are you afraid to die? If so, are you afraid because it is of the unknown? That’s understandable because there isn’t one person (living) that can explain what death is really like…it’s all speculations. Could this be the real reason why most are afraid to stand up against obvious threats? Or is it that most people subconsciously feel they will go to hell because of their uncontrollable urges to indulge in foolish and/or inconsiderate sins? I’m very aware of many theories/ideas of the after life (if there is one), but do these creative thoughts console you in dealing with the inevitable? IMO, I feel most ideas of death have no supporting facts other then making the believer feel comfy while blindly justifying their own destruction to life. Do you like living in a reality where the societies generate more chaos than beauty? Is locking your self behind closed doors and becoming one with cyber strangers the answer…I mean, is this style of seclusion helping to get rid of the necessary problems outside of your own comfort zone? I can see how some people living in this way often think that everything is all good and lovely. Have you ever thought that giving up your own life to save the specie, the world, and all of its inhabitants is what this generation was meant to do? Or do you feel it is the job for others to give up their life for your liberty and freedom? I’m inclined to think that if you truly love someone/thing you will sacrifice (your life is need be) to keep it safe. What we do now is very important for future generations. How can you love humanity where there is very little love being shared in humanity? Could you die for a brighter world for others, or would you rather wait with dying optimism and fingers crossed for unconfirmed outside assistance? Would you rather die on your feet or live on your knees? Or continue living in delusion within your voluntary solitary confinement? Yeah, we all have a choice and the right to do what we want…hmmm, that might just be one of the problems… What is your idea of death? I’m thinking the various perceptions of death haves a whole lot to do with the way people go about their lives… Please feel free to discuss, your insight is very important. If this is a disturbing topic please delete it, and accept my apologies. thnx Peace

02-09-2010, 04:47 PM	#2
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: Are you afraid to die? Its not the what...its the how...

02-09-2010, 04:49 PM	#3
joe2288 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Illinois USA Posts: 652	Re: Are you afraid to die? I do not fear death in the sense of leaving the body to move back to higher realms of existence. I do fear the way you die, example drowning, falling off a cliff Ect.

02-09-2010, 05:08 PM	#4
trainedobserver Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 284	Re: Are you afraid to die? Death is nothing to be feared. Death is a vital component of life without which new life could not arise. Death comes to all living things. Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death. Actually, when you closely examine the state of death, it greatly resembles 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'paradise' and so forth. In death there is no desire and no suffering. It is indeed the great rest, the great relief, the liberation from suffering and want. I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired. When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace. Peace Last edited by trainedobserver; 02-09-2010 at 05:12 PM.

02-09-2010, 05:38 PM	#6
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: Are you afraid to die? I agree fully with trainedobserver. Having faced death on quite a few occasions I have come to terms with it. Last time was in the Indian Ocean. A series of freak waves smashed me against the bottom three times, approx fifteen foot down. The last time not having had the chance to get a proper breath. I relaxed ready to drown and to my surprise when I made the surface the sea was calm but a mass of foam. I was rescued by two life guards not having the strength to make it to shore. If I died now that would be ok but I would like it to be in bed after a final cigarette. Chris

02-09-2010, 07:00 PM	#8
futureyes Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: heart central Posts: 798	Re: Are you afraid to die? are you afraid to die? only if i have feared to live ... be all we can BE ... know the journey has no end ...

02-09-2010, 07:22 PM	#9
Peace of mind Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The uncharted consciousness Posts: 311	Re: Are you afraid to die? @shaynard, illuminate and futureyes Thats interesting trainobserver…but, I’m wondering more about the spirit, the individual identity. Through meditations I came to a few conclusions myself. One of them is that your consciousness moves on to other realities to further learn. Another idea… is the consciousness of the individual will be existing in a reality of its own personal hell or heaven…depending on what that consciousness dwelled on the most (negative/positive), meaning that the body is now detached from the mind and the ego/identity is now expose to ampifications of itself/the pure mind, the thoughts of its own likeness, but amplified. I have some conflicting issues with both ideas but that is just what they are…ideas…like many others that can’t be proven factual by the living. I know we all like to imagine what death is like and that’s a good thing because it brings a peace of mind to the living. But ultimately, in the end we all should follow these wise words… “When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace.” i like that... Peace

02-09-2010, 07:36 PM	#10
MyShadow Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 144	Re: Are you afraid to die? No. In my mind it's like a birth. The thing that does cause me some concern, is if it were to happen while I was young - how it would affect my family.

02-10-2010, 10:06 PM	#13
Tango Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: eating dessert in the desert of Arizona Posts: 1,554	Re: Are you afraid to die? I don't want the next one, to be so bloody... Maybe, a go in your sleep, that would be nice.... Tango Last edited by Tango; 02-11-2010 at 08:20 PM.

02-10-2010, 10:43 PM	#14
ConsciousSponge Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 30	Re: Are you afraid to die? I accept life as it is, including the expiration date. My only concern is for the ones left behind. As much as I try to pass the flame within, their wicks are wet with fear or attachment to the physical world. We all find our way eventually, so I keep my faith there. One day this life will end and a new one will begin, whether I become an etheric spirit, a child of another race, a flower, or a stitch in the fabric of space that lovingly holds it all together doesn't matter...I will continue to be...matter or not.

02-10-2010, 11:07 PM	#15
GenerationIke Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Geneva, NY Posts: 156	Re: Are you afraid to die? Yes, I am. And I should know better, but still I am.

02-10-2010, 11:33 PM	#16
metaw3 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 431	Re: Are you afraid to die? I'm afraid of apathy in and around me, but I'm not afraid to die. It's unavoidable so I'm just curious.

02-09-2010, 08:42 PM	#18
amate Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 83	Re: Are you afraid to die? The secret of life some say , is "to die before you die and then find there is no death". If you understand this you will know that you have nothing to fear ever again.

02-09-2010, 09:34 PM	#19
Peace of mind Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The uncharted consciousness Posts: 311	Re: Are you afraid to die? thats deep^^amate @ trainedobserver That sounds about right but the PC doesn’t have a spirit to govern its existence. Without outside interaction/programming the PC and all of its parts are practically dead or in limbo… waiting for a human/or alien to give it life. Humans are born into the world with a soul; there’s no need for outside help to move around. Could the program be running from somewhere else, perhaps? Humans have feelings, awareness, a sense of purpose, a desire for love and exploration. Maybe dreams, astral projections, and comas can be compared to death because the mind temporary leaves the body. But there also isn’t any proof the individual still functions (elsewhere) without a living body. hmmm If a soul is able to be transfer from one body to another then that is reason to believe the individual spirit does continue living. But, I have no such proof of that just hear say. That’s an interesting concept about the mind and body being one and once the body is done so is the mind, I can understand this logically from a living perspective, but how can we truly confirm this? I’m sure the real answer will present itself one day so it’s not really a serious matter…to me anyway. Thanx, trainedobserver Let’s just say that our spirit left these vehicles to venture elsewhere…do you think that our dealings here and now will have any effect on our journeys into the unknown? Anyone know of any flat-liner cases when the patient came back “from the dead” after being clinically dead for some time? Peace

02-09-2010, 09:57 PM	#21
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: Are you afraid to die? no

02-09-2010, 10:18 PM	#22
Frank Samuel Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: i live in puerto rico Posts: 643	Re: Are you afraid to die? Death is not something I fear I have come to terms with death. My fear is committing the same mistakes over and over not learning anything at the end of each of my physical lives. A wasted life, no one to love, no one to care for. The world is an incredible beautiful place size this moment and live your life as if it was your last day on the face of this earth.

02-09-2010, 10:39 PM	#23
Jack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 454	Re: Are you afraid to die? At the risk of soundin like a big girl it absolutely grabs my heart that there is such an awake and aware bunch of true spiritual sorts who come visit this forum and with my slow computer telling me its 22:22 makes me wonder even more as i chilax through the evening.

02-09-2010, 10:40 PM	#24
Jack Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 454	Re: Are you afraid to die? Wheres the "im more afraid of life" option?

02-10-2010, 06:45 AM	#25
Carrie1971 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northwoods Posts: 151	Re: Are you afraid to die? I have been there Twice. Not my time yet. I still have a mission to be here on this rock NOW in thie TIME. There is nothing about death that I fear. It does not hurt at all.