Draconian civilization, for real?

[Astral]

For the last 18 months I've been researching this reptilian subject. If I recall correctly, the first time I got in touch with it was due to Mr. Icke, I suppose.
A subject like this would most likely be discussed under Science fiction, but than again, who fed us with this idea of "Science fiction", right Those we are in control.

Anyhow, I would have never thought this subject would get so deep.
It really got my attention when I stumbled upon some documents describing these beings as "horned", "most likely living underground near a fireplace" and "feeding itself with our substance of life-blood". These descriptions would come from several sources, whom have no direct affiliation with each other.

-Several testimonies from those whom were (by force) part of the MK-ultra project
-Numerous testimonies of men who were involved with the Montauk project
-The main source of David Icke: Credo Mutwa
- Courtney Brown who gathered his Remote viewing sessions into a book.
-Alex collier, by far the most elaborate in on this subject.

-Our belief systems, myths, legends and our own freaking society based on draconian laws.
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Credo mutwa video 1
Credo Mutwa video 2
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Courtney Brown
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Alex collier
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Dulce underground facility
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Montauk testimony 1
Montauk testimony 2

At some point I got stuck on a stalemate. You have a draconian influence from Africa (Zulu's) to India (Caste system), from China (Dragons) to Western factions (Illuminati). Where does it really begin?

I turns out we ought to be looking at it from a completely different perspective, the subspace angle if you will. I've read about "fallen guardians, Angels". We know life goes on when we leave our body behind. We move on to a different realm.

I tried to read as much as possible about this subject: Near-Death-Experiences which ties to the astral world. Sure enough some mentioned this place called "Hell". Knowing the astral world is a spiritual world, not a physical, hell is most likely created by the own individual.

I'm still somewhat confused on
this stage. But this draconian influence we suffer from would directly be controlled by those souls which operate from the astral, subspace world.
How about that!

This would explain all the rituals the have been going on in these secret societies. It all boils down to control, even at the upper part of the pyramide.
No doubt this subject ties in with an even bigger one.

Sure enough we could start a debate about the validity of all this. Disinformation or not, we need some inspiration to lift off.

As always I never try to judge or interpret the information at hand, so If one would have some additional info on this matter..by all means

[Antaletriangle]

Hi thanks for your post i'm altogether along your lines and am along your path-it's quite overgrown the path is i know but we can still see the way beneath the overgrowth.This i'm posting to add to your post-sounds from hell on Art bell,it was recorded in siberia through a geophone whilst geologists were taking seismic soundings in an underground cave-this is what they recorded!Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnxeX2SQso

Have you ever listened to Red Elk? He also makes references to them as well the "ant people" of the Hopi legends (which he states are the Greys). He also says that these "lizard" people are an evil bunch, using humans as sacrifices. I don't know how much I believe about shape-shifting, but he also claims they have such abilities.

[FrostyMcunicron]

As a general rule of thumb reptile people are a great way of grabbing peoples attention so some people naturally spread disinformation regarding these creatures for attention from conspiracy theorists & ufologists and views as well(as incredibly unbelievable as it all sounds). Some information out their i feel is accurate but again be careful for i c a lot of people off their rocker's with detailed explanation of inter dimensional wars billions of zillions of dimensions ago with no citation, references, ancient artifacts, sand scripts or backing what so ever.

[Wormhole]

Well folks, I've seen one and this is what happened.
It was about 8:30 in the am, I was sleeping in. Wide awake with my eyes closed on a Saturday. This was around 1984, in upstate New York. I was still in high school and just didn't want to get up. I opened my eyes and one of those nasty things was right next to my bed just leering at me with a huge grin on it's face.

Well, I screamed. It stood there for a couple of seconds and then was gone. My sister also woke up to one standing over her bed the same week. Man it was creepy, but it didn't move. That is the strange part. It stood there like it was frozen, though it's eyes were focused on me. Then snap, gone. I've never seen one since, nor has my sister. Many years later, I find this picture that was on Utube of exactly what we had seen! I started to pay attention to all of the theories and I can not say if any of it is true or not.

Besides being scared, I wasn't hurt or touched. I've had other contacts with other races, and this was very low key in comparison. I think that if that thing had wanted to hurt me, it could have. But it didn't.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

It's a tough subject to approach isn't it? People who are quite prepared to accept that there are little grey aliens running around doing unpleasant things seem strangely reluctant to look at the possibility that there are big reptilian aliens that have been here for millennia.

I guess it's one thing to accept we may have visitors from outside and quite another to accept that there are others who have been here since ancient times and are largely responsible for the state of the world today. The first is an extension of what we can do (we can fly in space, why couldn't they?) but the second means having to question the very root of the deeply held, almost subconscious beliefs we hold about the world we live in.

I've noticed a distinct lack of info from the PC interviewees on the subject. I think Michael St Clair mentioned them obliquely, and David Wilcock may have done the same, but other than that there's no info. I think both Dan Burisch and John Lear both admitted it was possible but they hadn't had any experience of that so weren't prepared to talk about it. And fair play to both.

It's perhaps not so surprising- if the shape-shifting ability is true then nobody would have seen them in the physical. They've always operated from the shadows anyway, so why blow it now by showing themselves in their true form? That's what the bloodlines are for.

Just listening to David Wilcock's new interview, relates to this subject and well worth a listen.

[Arkan]

I've heard and read too much about the Reptilians to not think that there is some truth about this subject--but that's just my opinion. Because I've never had an experience with one I can't be absolutely positive, however, the evidence is out there and the implications of their existence are too important to be ignored. Check out these links if you're interested:


http://daverabbit.podomatic.com/entr...19_26_41-07_00
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=alex+collier
http://video.google.com/videosearch?...wa&emb=0&dur=3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=credo+mutwa
http://reptoids.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...er++news&vt=lf

[stal]

yeah i've seen them, in the 'flesh', whilst wide awake, in their hoods, and also in human form. they are very real. they don't all work for the same side though, and dont all come from the same place.

[Antaletriangle]

From my limited research on reptilian entities they aren't all negative.There are positive and negative factions in every star society such as the Gizah alliance that broke from the traditional Pleidian values and tried to influence this world for their own power gain etc.The Reptilian culture is apparently based upon intelligence, spirituality but have a major warrior influence running through it.According to Alex coliier and his contacts the Draconans are bent on tracking human colonies down throughout the cosmos because they deem themselves a a pure genetic race that is closer to the issness than anything else-being hermaphropdite etc...

[Kate]

Originally Posted by stal

yeah i've seen them, in the 'flesh', whilst wide awake, in their hoods, and also in human form. they are very real. they don't all work for the same side though, and dont all come from the same place.

hiya Stal... wow, you have experienced these things in the flesh? would you mind sharing with us some of your experiences? We hear alot about the greys ..but not many people come forward telling stories of actually seeing these creatures/entities and having direct contact....!

white light blessings to you!!

firehorse

[Zelphael]

I echo that... stal, care to share your experiences?

[DoctorTony]

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Well folks, I've seen one and this is what happened.
It was about 8:30 in the am, I was sleeping in. Wide awake with my eyes closed on a Saturday. This was around 1984, in upstate New York. I was still in high school and just didn't want to get up. I opened my eyes and one of those nasty things was right next to my bed just leering at me with a huge grin on it's face.

Well, I screamed. It stood there for a couple of seconds and then was gone. My sister also woke up to one standing over her bed the same week. Man it was creepy, but it didn't move. That is the strange part. It stood there like it was frozen, though it's eyes were focused on me. Then snap, gone. I've never seen one since, nor has my sister. Many years later, I find this picture that was on Utube of exactly what we had seen! I started to pay attention to all of the theories and I can not say if any of it is true or not.

Besides being scared, I wasn't hurt or touched. I've had other contacts with other races, and this was very low key in comparison. I think that if that thing had wanted to hurt me, it could have. But it didn't.

I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

Hi Wormhole
Did it look anything like the Mothman? I was under the impression that these were also part of the draconian race.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

Hi thanks for your post i'm altogether along your lines and am along your path-it's quite overgrown the path is i know but we can still see the way beneath the overgrowth.This i'm posting to add to your post-sounds from hell on Art bell,it was recorded in siberia through a geophone whilst geologists were taking seismic soundings in an underground cave-this is what they recorded!Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnxeX2SQso

Man that was horrible.. I don't believe in Hell but that was extremely unpleasant to listen to...
WHY DID YOU POST THAT HERE IT HAS ZERO TO DO WITH REPTILIANS OR DRACONIANS !?

[Luminari]

This is the best thing ive ever read on Earth Reptilians.. if you haven't see The Lacerta interview, you're gonna love this:

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

"...I'm a female reptile being, belonging to a very old reptilian race. We are the native terrans and we live on that planet since millions of years...

..We had and have some colonies in the solar system, but we originate on this planet. It's in fact our planet and not yours—it was never yours.."

[Gnosis5]

Right, and Elvis Presley was born in Russia....

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Right, and Elvis Presley was born in Russia....

OH... so its ok for you to be a drug-induced Reptilian warrior but my post is fake before you even read it nice one

[Gnosis5]

My apologies that I gave you the impression I was invalidating you. In fact, I have read several times the Lacerta interviews. I was invalidating her and her story line, being that I am somewhat familiar with their M.O.

However, just to be fair, there have been some reptilian past lifes where we were somewhat benign and even felt sorry for the poor humans. That is definitely not part of the overall scene of cultural indoctrination.

I don't ask anyone to believe me, just posting what we went and saw, but I do encourage people to actually see with their own eyes rather than read tons of other being's accounts, including mine. I only post so that others will see that they too can go and look and get the answers for themselves. End of point.

cheers!
gnosis

[Luminari]

Ok point taken, thanks for clearing that up.

I would encourage other people to read the LACERTA INTERVIEW for themselves as it is a very detailed, lucid account which may or may not have factual basis, but is extremely interesting or entertaining depending on your perspective:
http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

[deb003]

On Coast to Coast, Steven Quale was on a couple of nights ago.

Go to this link
http://www.aliendeceptions.com/
Scroll down to Audio Files,C2C, George Noory, Flashpoint & Giants 12-3-8.

They discuss all of it and it's pretty scary to say the least.
Worth listening to the WHOLE interview!

[ARE WE THERE YET]

Hey Astral

Heres some reading that kinda clarified the whole Draconian issue for me. Its a good read if you have an open mind.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview2.htm

[Antaletriangle]

Great post arewethereyet!Good read.

[alkalurops]

sombody know the books of michael tsarion: atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation?
it´s not all about reptiles but quite a good resarch about the topic and historical facts.
watch his dvds on you tube. he is a good friend of g. maxwell....
the info of david icke is quite complete and convincing for me
with all the historical evidence (dragons ....) it feels like truth.

Originally Posted by alkalurops

sombody know the books of michael tsarion: atlantis, alien visitation and genetic manipulation?
it´s not all about reptiles but quite a good resarch about the topic and historical facts.
watch his dvds on you tube. he is a good friend of g. maxwell....
the info of david icke is quite complete and convincing for me
with all the historical evidence (dragons ....) it feels like truth.

I tried to get that book but the only place I could find it was direct from his website- Amazon etc don't list it and I couldn't find a copy in any of the bookshops in Glastonbury.

I highly recommend his Origins and Oracles series- the Youtube vids are a hugely scaled-down presentation of the same things. It's absolutely massive (the first program alone is over 10 hours long) but he covers virtually every aspect you can think of.

Here's his website: http://www.michaeltsarion.com/

I agree that David Icke has it pretty much nailed, but if you want the evidence laid out piece by piece then Tsarion's "Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation" in either book or video format is head and shoulders above anything else I've ever come across.

Edit- Would also agree with Stal that they are not all complete b*****ds. However I have never found any research that would support this, only my own very limited experience.

[Oiran]

"It is the unanimous opinion of our team that the reptilians intend to maintain control over the human race by continuing their Grand Strategy of Divide and Conquer and by their continuing domination and marginalization of the feminine principle...

They have nothing to gain and everything to lose by allowing humans to attain a heightened level of awareness...

The various cataclysms and upheavals naturally and artificially contrived, that will annihilate huge segments of the human race is merely the latest installment of a process which strives to reduce the human population to manageable levels BEFORE we attain heightened awareness and an understanding of our full potential. If this happened on a mass scale (ie, heightened awareness) the reptilians will no longer be able to control us."
(James Bartley, "On the March")

http://www.whale.to/b/bartley1.html