How I think it will play out

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

I like getting off to the farm, it gives me the space to have a think about what's been happening around this crazyplace we live called Earth.

So we had the DOW leaving last week with a possitive day. That isn't unusual if it was the only thing that happened that day.

People tend to only look at the final numbers at the end of the session and use that as a barometer.

The thing is the DOW began trading and sank around 400 points. Then ended around 400 points in positive territory. That is a HUGE difference - 800 points gain in a market where the economy is said to be doomed, even by the politicians and it has been suggested that the DOW has nowhere reached it's bottom.

So we have to ask ourselves why so many investors are buying into the DOW when the picture looks so bleak. Who could these people be?

Two weeks ago I predicted a 700 point drop in the DOW. It dropped aroud 600 points then recovered and went 100points positive, then slipped back and forth between positive and negative,as if somebody was wanting or needing it to remain in positive territory. I felt it in my bones. After the after hour trades were taken into account,it finished the day 170 os so negative. But even so, from 600 points negative to around 100 points positive is a difference of 700 points. It's huge.

Once again we need to ask ourselves why and who.

I think I know. Who is investing in the DOW these enormous amounts are the American public and they don't even know. Check the individualfigures and you may be suprised that most of the bank values were higher. The US government fulfilling what they promissed and investing heavily in the banking sector with your money.

Why? The economy? I think it a little more partisan than that.

The thing that is killing John McCains election campaign is the state of the economy. If the DOW tumbles to wipe out another half of the values in shares, for sure his chances will go straight down the drain, and not just for him, but the US government, as Palin has said several times that her State is a rich oil State and Obama is against drilling for local oil.

So what has been happening lately in the elections? On 'fair and balanced' Fox News the pundits have been spouting off about the Acorn thing. I'm not a defender of Acorn, I'm not even American, but what I can see is a giant shout of 'Foul'. They have been saying that this problem is rife over the US and that hundreds of thousands of illegal registrations have been made. Will they consider trying to stop the election because of this? Will George Bush postpone the elections until this 'problem' has been solved? Would that buy Mr. McCain more time to reorganize the troops and hopefully the political situation could be different to give him a better chance next time?

No matter who wins the elections in a few weeks time, the economy will be left to collapse, of course for the White House it would be better if it was McCain.

When the economy does collapse, that's the time to divert the attention of the US public. Tipically an outbreak of war does the trick. (There's an interesting read to be had in the 'Report of Iron Mountain'.)

This taken from an article:

"Look for a US aircraft carrier to be sunk with all hands lost.
This is the classic ploy, just as in all past wars. Sunk by Israelis, most likely, but blamed on Iran to provide the pretext for a coordinated attack. Which is the oldest, most obsolete carrier now on station in the Gulf? Like all the obsolete iron left out to dry by Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor, America will lose a symbolic asset while the key will be the loss of life: about three or four thousand dead Americans is the way they think now, in order to get the American public on board in full outrage - the full complement of one of our carriers today."

Then Martial Law will be instigated together will compulsive national drafting for soldiers.

I don't want to come accross all doom and gloom and am sure that this will not happen overnight, and in fact hope it never comes to pass. However, many people have been looking to the future and have offered useful information which sort of fits together like in a jigsaw puzzle. If anybody finds any other pieces they should be added to try and make the big picture clearer.

Best regards,

Steve

[ramallamamama]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Everybody,

I like getting off to the farm, it gives me the space to have a think about what's been happening around this crazyplace we live called Earth.

So we had the DOW leaving last week with a possitive day. That isn't unusual if it was the only thing that happened that day.

People tend to only look at the final numbers at the end of the session and use that as a barometer.

The thing is the DOW began trading and sank around 400 points. Then ended around 400 points in positive territory. That is a HUGE difference - 800 points gain in a market where the economy is said to be doomed, even by the politicians and it has been suggested that the DOW has nowhere reached it's bottom.

So we have to ask ourselves why so many investors are buying into the DOW when the picture looks so bleak. Who could these people be?

Two weeks ago I predicted a 700 point drop in the DOW. It dropped aroud 600 points then recovered and went 100points positive, then slipped back and forth between positive and negative,as if somebody was wanting or needing it to remain in positive territory. I felt it in my bones. After the after hour trades were taken into account,it finished the day 170 os so negative. But even so, from 600 points negative to around 100 points positive is a difference of 700 points. It's huge.

Once again we need to ask ourselves why and who.

I think I know. Who is investing in the DOW these enormous amounts are the American public and they don't even know. Check the individualfigures and you may be suprised that most of the bank values were higher. The US government fulfilling what they promissed and investing heavily in the banking sector with your money.

Why? The economy? I think it a little more partisan than that.

The thing that is killing John McCains election campaign is the state of the economy. If the DOW tumbles to wipe out another half of the values in shares, for sure his chances will go straight down the drain, and not just for him, but the US government, as Palin has said several times that her State is a rich oil State and Obama is against drilling for local oil.

So what has been happening lately in the elections? On 'fair and balanced' Fox News the pundits have been spouting off about the Acorn thing. I'm not a defender of Acorn, I'm not even American, but what I can see is a giant shout of 'Foul'. They have been saying that this problem is rife over the US and that hundreds of thousands of illegal registrations have been made. Will they consider trying to stop the election because of this? Will George Bush postpone the elections until this 'problem' has been solved? Would that buy Mr. McCain more time to reorganize the troops and hopefully the political situation could be different to give him a better chance next time?

No matter who wins the elections in a few weeks time, the economy will be left to collapse, of course for the White House it would be better if it was McCain.

When the economy does collapse, that's the time to divert the attention of the US public. Tipically an outbreak of war does the trick. (There's an interesting read to be had in the 'Report of Iron Mountain'.)

This taken from an article:

"Look for a US aircraft carrier to be sunk with all hands lost.
This is the classic ploy, just as in all past wars. Sunk by Israelis, most likely, but blamed on Iran to provide the pretext for a coordinated attack. Which is the oldest, most obsolete carrier now on station in the Gulf? Like all the obsolete iron left out to dry by Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor, America will lose a symbolic asset while the key will be the loss of life: about three or four thousand dead Americans is the way they think now, in order to get the American public on board in full outrage - the full complement of one of our carriers today."

Then Martial Law will be instigated together will compulsive national drafting for soldiers.

I don't want to come accross all doom and gloom and am sure that this will not happen overnight, and in fact hope it never comes to pass. However, many people have been looking to the future and have offered useful information which sort of fits together like in a jigsaw puzzle. If anybody finds any other pieces they should be added to try and make the big picture clearer.

Best regards,

Steve

This could be accurate.

Or, the ptb will continue to suck the people dry of all their assets, drive them to the unemployment lines, foreclosures, homelessness, famine, etc., without anything overt like postponing elections, martial law or a false flag attack. By doing something overt the ptb would be confirming all the 'conspiracy theorist' projections and all those sheople that have mocked us would see that we were in fact pretty accurate with our analysis. The ptb like having the FOX news etc., viewers in their camp however unwittingly.

Whatever is coming down the pipe is pretty much out of our control. My personal solution is to prep for the worst, work to develop local sustainable community independent of .gov and lend a hand whenever and wherever possible to that end.

Have a fantastic day.

Aloha

[Tara]

Not to encourage any negativity, but I had a dream about 2 weeks ago. I was on a navy ship. It was dark out, but I could see there were 2 small fleets. Each with one large ship and two small ships. I was on one of the smaller ships in the second fleet. The large ship in the fleet leading was hit by something and it sunk. It was such a realistic dream. I was so upset when I woke up. I really don't like to share this stuff because I feel like I'm somehow contributing to the negative side of things, but it felt so real.

[Harper]

Hi folks,

I believe this scenario has happened before more times than imaginable without much out-cry from anyone. I agree its a tried and tested plan but I think this time around we and others like us around the world may have delayed or even stopped this "plan" this time. Just a few examples. I think because of the attention this theory is getting I don't think the PTB will go forward. I have been talking to a lot of people about this, people who are cynical or asleep or people who just don't have a clue about the behind the scenes. My audience is people from the press, banking, senior business people andthey are all aware of this conspiracy. The below story was in the boston globe and although the journal may or may not think its rubbish, its been printed
Thank heavens for the Internet; it’s put the surprise back in October Surprise.

Here is the latest big-picture conspiracy theory, which has been gathering strength on the blogosphere the way a hurricane feeds on Caribbean waters: It is widely believed, both online and, increasingly, offline, that the Bush administration intends to declare martial law and postpone next month’s elections. To prevent Barack Obama’s inevitable ascension to the Oval Office, obviously.

This theory/rumor/delusion dates back almost a year and a half, with the appearance on the White House Web site of National Security Presidential Directive 51, which outlined a policy for ‘‘continuity of government’’ in the event of a national emergency.

Such emergency is defined as ‘‘any incident...that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy or government functions.’’

White House spokesman Scott Stanzel says the new directive supplants a Cold War-era emergency memorandum that is no longer valid in the post-9/11 world, with the country at risk of a ‘‘no-notice terrorist attack.’’ But on Web sites with names such as justanothercoverup.com and abovetopsecret.com, the public document — often described as ‘‘secret’’ — was read quite differently.

‘‘FEMA Official States Bush Is Planning to Implement Martial Law,’’ is a headline from justanothercoverup. ‘‘Pelosi Declared Martial Law Last night,’’ was a September headline from abovetopsecret.

Like a much-awaited Messiah (I am channeling the famous sociological text ‘‘When Prophecy Fails’’), the date of the martial law takeover keeps moving forward. This spring it was to coincide with the bombing of Iran, this summer with the devastation wrought by Hurricane Ike. In the minds of conspiracy theorists, the current economic crisis seems like a propitious moment for the suspension of the November election.

The martial law paranoia has an engaging adjunct: the ‘‘FEMA coffins’’ story. If you Google those words, you will find pictures, videos and reams of text explaining that the Federal Emergency Management Agency has stockpiled 30,000 (or is it 50,000?) coffins (or are they coffin liners? or...boxes?) in anticipation of a vast civil disturbance, presumably triggered by the imposition of martial law. ‘‘We do not have FEMA coffins,’’ says spokeswoman Debbie Wing.

On the one hand you say, OK, this is Internet madness. On the other hand, you note that Ireland’s largest bookmaker, Paddy Power, is laying 20-1 odds that the American election will be postponed. When I first checked that site on Tuesday, the odds were 40-1.

We’ve seen this movie before, right? Writer Ron Rosenbaum remembers a 1972 story averring that Richard Nixon asked the RAND Corporation to study whether he could postpone that election, which he won, handily.

University of California historian Kathryn Olmsted, author of the forthcoming ‘‘Real Enemies: Conspiracy Theories and American Democracy, World War I to 9/11,’’ notes that Franklin D. Roosevelt’s many enemies were convinced that he would assume dictatorial powers and cancel the election of 1944, which he won handily.

‘‘There are all kinds of trends coming together now to feed the paranoia,’’ Olmsted says. ‘‘The financial meltdown evokes Americans’ longtime fear and hatred of bankers, and people on the right think Obama’s candidacy might mean the end of civilization. What’s scary to the left right now is that Obama has a good chance of winning, and there is a segment of the far left that thinks ‘they’ will never let this happen.’’

And of course, there is this inconvenient, animating truth: ‘‘Sometimes the government does engage in real conspiracies, like Watergate, Iran- Contra, and the assassination plot again Castro,’’ Olmsted explains.

I am sure you remember William S. Burroughs’s famous observation: A paranoid is a man with all the facts at his disposal.

Say goodnight, Sarah

The Sarah-Palindrome contest is officially over. (A palindrome is a word or phrase, like ‘‘Madam, I’m Adam,’’ that’s spelled the same backward or forward.) Here is the last official entry, from Little, Brown copy editor Ben Allen: ‘‘Harasser of taxes: A mav, a ma, sex at fore’s Sarah.’’ The judges will announce their decision in this space on Election Day, Nov. 4.
Unless the Bush administration declares... Oh, never mind.

So that's 1, also Naomi wolfe has spoken on radio and television about her ideas that we are in the middle of a coup. Democracy now has done a programme on it. Even down to the lowest common denominater an irish bookmaker has given odds on the election being cancelled. These are just a few examples but this event is now, I consider, less likely to happen when there is so much focus on it. And if they do continue I think people will stand up this time. It doesn't matter that now people think this is a funny game, betting and such or that the journalist are reporting the "maddness" of people like us. Its out there. What do you think?

Oh PS you are probably asleep but Barak has pulled out of the campaign in the short term, to visit his dying grandmother. And the said irish bookies have agreed to pay out on him winning due to the amount of people who are willing to bet on him to win, they think its a sure thing and bookies don't give their money away so easily as you know, the house always wins.
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[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

Just a quick post that could be significant. Check this out:

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id...onid=351020205

Best regards,

Steve

[Wellerite]

The stock market is not a guage for how well the economy is doing acording to George Green and former chief economist for the world bank Joseph Stiglitz. The stock market is just a bunch of numbers jumping up and down due to people trading their shares which don't even have voting rights, so it's pretty much meaningless.

As soon as the shelves in the supermarket become bare and people are being laid off in huge numbers then the crisis begins. But just because the elite banks are holding the people to ranson doesn't stop potatoes growing in a field. The ONLY commodity that's going to be worth anything soon is food and to a lesser extent tradeable goods and services. This goes to show how childish everyone is. Cries of "Oh no i won't be able to go to my menial job anymore or drive my fancy car or spend lavishly on fancy dining." Well good, as soon as people realise that this Consumer - Capitalism ideal we've all been following blindly for so long is over and that it has been responsible for most of the wars and famines of the past millennia.

Good Riddance i say to you fiat currency, purveyor of filth that you are, the world will know that you did no good. There is an abundance of free energy and food , it is just a matter of realising our power. We were born on this planet, it is our home, why the hell does anyone have to earn their food and shelter, IT'S THERE ALREADY, THERE'S ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE

BRING ON THE COLLAPSE OF WESTERN CULT-URE ... I'M READY AND SO ARE YOU,

WE WERE BORN TO LIVE THROUGH AND EXPERIENCE THESE TIMES

FOR THE GREATER GOOD

TIME TO SHAKE OFF THE BAD GUYS LIKE A DOG WOULD WITH FLEAS

OPEN YOUR HEART AND SHARE WITH ANYONE IN NEED AND YOU WILL RECEIVE ALL THAT YOU NEED

All the best, Dan

Very well said, Dan. I agree with you wholeheartedly. The time for humanity to transcend the shakles that have enslaved us for generations is close at hand. The sleeping masses must be forced awake by any methods necessary. The downfall of western "civilization" will be THE catalyst for the changes we so desperately desire and need. The existance of money itself must come to its end. The fact that humans have been forced to purchase food and other life's necessities has been among the greatest transgressions against us in all our history. In the world we seek to manifest, healthy food and shelter will be guaranteed to ALL. This is the will of the Creator.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

economy is to keep our minds off the start of a nuclear attack.. which theywill blame on pakistan russia and iran.. january 21st 22nd.. also joint attack on london..

[strayslack]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

economy is to keep our minds off the start of a nuclear attack.. which theywill blame on pakistan russia and iran.. january 21st 22nd.. also joint attack on london..

If they're going to attack London with joints, count me IN!!

Sorry.

[Knightbk]

The worst case scenarios posted on this site and others will not happen.

What will happen is that the middle class will shrink more, rich will get richer, poor will get poorer. The notion of a full economic collapse wont happen unless a Nuclear War happens and I guarantee you that a Nuclear war will not happen.