Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

viking · 10-19-2009, 11:11 AM

Please pass around ...

To all US citizens............RISE UP AND STOP THE TREATY......

Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation at Bethel University in St. Paul, MN. In this 4 minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty, scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Sail on, O Ship of State!

Sail on, O Union, strong and great!

Humanity with all its fears,

With all the hopes of future years,

Is hanging breathless on thy fate!

viking

Seashore · 10-19-2009, 11:28 AM

My understanding is that yes, he is, and so is the United States Congress.

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 02:48 PM

I keep wondering if that is being rushed because of his court hearing on January 26th. You would think that any law he put through while he was not legal to represent us would be squashed. I have a feeling this is why he will be in "hiding" soon. People will not tolerate this and there is a web site indicating that they are checking into this.

I know that they think they know the ending of all their big plans but I'm thinking this one will not happen.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4737

Phtha · 10-19-2009, 05:23 PM

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 05:37 PM

He is reading that book because in the illuminati's mind.............they already (think) they know the outcome or they wouldn't play the game...............This one they are not going to win

They are wrong and we need to remind them of that with our "feelings"

I will not be afraid I will not comply I will flood my surroundings with the light and keep the darkness out

Phtha · 10-19-2009, 06:13 PM

Yes it is very symbolic. I doubt he is even reading it.

They just wanted to give the masses a subliminal message.
Your right though, they have already lost, they are being manipulated just as much as the masses.

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

He is reading that book because in the illuminati's mind.............they already (think) they know the outcome or they wouldn't play the game...............This one they are not going to win

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 06:28 PM

Oh and they are really doubling up on their messges thats for sure

They hate to lose and they are out in forces pushing the "fear-surival" buttom all over the internet, news and media.

I find it quite hillarious now a days

Phtha · 10-19-2009, 06:32 PM

A tragicomedy! That's who I always describe it.

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I find it quite hillarious now a days

bellsisland · 10-19-2009, 07:45 PM

The gentleman in the video said that once it was signed we had to ask permission to drop out of it and they would not let us.
Is this not the most insane of policies!
Do Not Tell me what I can do. Here I place an indivisible US Flag. Not that it means anything to Obama's post American world. How can he sell this country out? Did we not make him in our own image? Is he a puppet on a string?

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bellsisland

The gentleman in the video said that once it was signed we had to ask permission to drop out of it and they would not let us.
Is this not the most insane of policies!
Do Not Tell me what I can do. Here I place an indivisible US Flag. Not that it means anything to Obama's post American world. How can he sell this country out? Did we not make him in our own image? Is he a puppet on a string?

IMO, Britain owns America and always has. District of Columbia is not even part of the USA....That is why they can do what they want. They are the last colony and the Constitution does not include what goes on there.

The plan to put that to an end is already in place.

Rareheart · 10-19-2009, 09:14 PM

Obama is doing what he thinks is best...he has no ill intent...except of course toward Capitalism.

Politics has become "parlor-tricks".

I like this mntruthseeker:

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I will not be afraid I will not comply I will flood my surroundings with the light and keep the darkness out

bellsisland · 10-19-2009, 09:15 PM

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[QUOTE=mntruthseeker;179408]IMO,  Britain owns America and always has.    District of Columbia is not even part of the USA....That is why they can do what they want.   They are the last colony and the Constitution does not include what goes on there.   

The plan to put that to an end is already in place.[/QUOTE]

DC is the last (lost) colony? What plan?

If I am owned by Britain better them than China, Russia or Egypt or Iran or, well, you get my drift.

If the constitution does not apply in DC please explain why?

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 09:19 PM

Thank you rareheart

We really have to stay in that mindset to stop what those way up there are trying to keep down.........we can't continue being their slave

I'm not sure what Obama knows or not in all seriousness. I do know that the bushes and clintons knew. It really doesnt matter anyhow

I only care what WE need must do. Get out of their mode and move into ours and continue to bring "light" into the world. Yes, its an energy war and it always has been. We just didn't know we were in one

Rareheart · 10-19-2009, 09:32 PM

The prospect of ending our "slavery" is more than most want to endure.
After all...we are enslaved by the very thing we've sought for our entire lives...money. Capitalism requires monetary gain to sustain itself...doing better this quarter is the rally cry of capitalists (myself included).
Where and when can we actually rid ourselves of this endearment to capital, yet continue to "do better"?

hehehehe...you and I know the answer...but...who wants to endure it?

I like camping...but as far as that's concerned, I'm in the minority.

mntruthseeker · 10-19-2009, 09:57 PM

Ralph Epperson was a special guess of The Veritas Show not too long ago,
and he spoke about this and I have to say it was only the second time I had ever seen anything regarding

When I first started waking up I found a site online that has since been removed. Of course it had tons of information regarding everything that has been discussed in here and other forums.

I am not putting down Britain.........I am putting down your rulers. I am not suppose to judge so I guess I will say, I'm not impressed by them. If you are happy under their rulings then so be it.

China would not be a place where I would want to be living either.

Washington D.C. is a colony. They are not even allowed to vote. District of Columbia...............Indeed !

It would take me forever to go over this but I can put a link here to Ralph's website and you may visit if you like.

The first thing you will find is how The newspaper article dated November 30, 1941, in Hawaaii ran an article that Japan would be strike us over the weekend . SHOCK SHOCK. No longer does any of this BS surprise me.

http://www.ralph-epperson.com/

The veritas show still has his video up there and the first half may be heard for free. Actually Mel only charges 5.00 a month in 3 months premium to hear his videos and become a member...............I think its worth it as his guess go into a lot more as they are not coached in any way on what they can or can not say.

peaceandlove · 10-19-2009, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viking

Please pass around ...

To all US citizens............RISE UP AND STOP THE TREATY......

Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation at Bethel University in St. Paul, MN. In this 4 minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty, scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Sail on, O Ship of State!

Sail on, O Union, strong and great!

Humanity with all its fears,

With all the hopes of future years,

Is hanging breathless on thy fate!

viking

Blessings Viking,

Here is transcribed text and commentary of above video:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=26474

Seashore · 10-20-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by viking

On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation at Bethel University in St. Paul, MN. In this 4 minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty, scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

Alan Watt talked about the video, the "climate change" ruse that is being used, the puppets who do what they're instructed to do, and the propaganda that is used to scare the public in the section from 5:13 - 14:48 October 19, 2009:

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/r...ve_on_RBN.html

pyrangello · 10-20-2009, 03:09 PM

Here are 2 emails I recieved from a friend, I copy and pasted these as it seems there are spears coming in from all directions in regards to our sovereignty, please read below:
> PLEASE READ THIS!!! Very Interesting Read!
>
> What would you say if I gave you 11 reasons why the elections in 2010 will be the most important in the history of the United States ?
>
> 1.What if I had told you in October 2008, before the last presidential election, that before Barack Obama's first 100 days in office, the Federal Government would be in control of both the mortgage and the banking industries? That 19 of America's largest banks would be forced to undergo stress tests by the Federal Government which would determine if they were insufficiently capitalized, so they must be supervised by the government?
>
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America ."
>
> 2.What if I had told you that within Barack Obama's first 100 days in office the Federal Government would be the largest shareholder in the 2 of the US Big-Three automakers: GM, and Chrysler?
>
> That the Government would fire the CEO's of these companies and appoint hand-picked executives with zero experience in the auto industry and that executive compensation would be determined, not by a Board of Directors, but by the Government?
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!"
>
> 3.What if I had told you that Barack Obama would appoint 33 Czars, without congressional approval, accountable only to him, not to the voters, who would have control over a wide range of US policy decisions. That there would be a Stimulus Accountability Czar, an Urban Czar, a Compensation Czar, an Iran Czar, an Auto Industry Czar, a Cyber Security Czar, an Energy Czar, a Bank Bailout Czar, and more than a dozen other government bureaucrats with unchecked regulatory powers over US domestic and foreign policy.
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!"
>
> 4.What if I had told you that the federal deficit would be $915 billion in the first six months of the Obama presidency - with a projected annual deficit of $1.75 trillion - triple the $454.8 billion in 2008, for which the previous administration was highly criticized by Obama and his fellow Democrats. That congress would pass Obama's $3.53 trillion federal budget for fiscal 2010... That the projected deficit over the next ten years would be greater than $10 trillion. That Billions have been funneled to ACORN and similar organizations.
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!"
>
> 5.What if I had told you that the Obama Justice Department would order FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high-value detainees captured on the battlefield and held at US military detention facilities in Afghanistan . That Obama would order the closing of the Guantanamo detention facility with no plan for the disposition of the 200-plus individuals held there. That several of the suspected terrorists at Guantanamo would be sent to live in freedom in Bermuda at the expense of the US government. That our returning US veterans would be labeled terrorists and put on a watch list.
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !"
>
> 6.What if I had told you that the Federal Government would seek powers to seize key companies whose failures could jeopardize the financial system. That a new regulatory agency would be proposed by Obama to control loans, credit cards, mortgage-backed securities, and other financial products offered to the public.
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!"
>
> 7.What if I had told you that Obama would travel to the Middle East, bow before the Saudi king, and repeatedly apologize for America 's past actions. That he would travel to Latin America where he would warmly greet Venezuela 's strongman Hugo Chavez and sit passively in the audience while Nicaraguan Marxist thug Daniel Ortega charged America with terrorist aggression in Central America.
> Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!"
>
> 8.Okay, now what if I were to tell you that Obama wants to dismantle conservative talk radio through the imposition of a new "Fairness Doctrine." That he wants to curtail the First Amendment rights of those who may disagree with his policies via Internet blogs, cable news networks, or advocacy ads. That most major network television and most newspapers will only sing his phrases like state-run media in communist countries? And he has appointed a czar to make that happen.
> Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!!"
>
> 9.What if I were to tell you that the Obama Justice Department is doing everything it can to limit your Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. That the Federal Government wants to reinstate the so-called assault weapons ban which would prohibit the sale of any type of firearm that doesn't require the shooter to pull the trigger every time a round is fired. That Obama's Attorney General wants to eliminate the sale of virtually all handguns and ammunition, which most citizens choose for self-defense.
> Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!!"
>
> 10.What if I were to tell you that the Obama plan is to eliminate states rights guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment and give the Federal Government sweeping new powers over policies currently under the province of local and state governments and voted on by the people. That Obama plans to control the schools, energy production, the environment, health care, and the wealth of every US citizen.
> Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!"
>
> 11.What if I were to tell you that the President, the Courts, and the Federal Government has ignored the U.S. Constitution and have seized powers which the founders of our country fought to restrict. That our last presidential election may have been our last truly free election for some time to come. That our next presidential election may look similar to the one recently held in Iran .. (And maybe under review by ACORN.)
>
> I know, I know what you will say. "That will never happen in America!!!"
>
> WHAT IF I WAS TO TELL YOU MOST OF ALL OF THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

-----Original Message-----
From: Subject: Fw: : Constitutional Lawyer on Truth and Healthcare Bills

(http://michaelconnelly..viviti.com) is a constitutional lawyer and has read the entire healthcare bill. He has some comments, not about the bill, but about the effects on our Constitution -- it's a broader picture than just healthcare reform.

All of you and those to whom you communicate had better sit up and pay attention. Once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible. This article talks about the BO administration; but once passed, EVERY administration will have these new powers brought about because of the current rant for CHANGE!!!

Please...
....forward this letter to everyone.
....print it out and leave it at supermarkets.
....send it to every talk show, TV, radio host you can think of.
....copy it to every blog you use.
....send it to newspapers.
....be sure to send it to your Elected Spenders!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please read the information below. Yes... read it all. We want our Congress people to read the legislation they pass, and we need to be informed, too.

The Truth About the Health Care Bills
Posted August 12, 2009

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise -- constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is, in fact, true,despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care (particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved), free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration (and all those that come thereafter) of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law."

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;”

The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care, it is about seizing power and limiting rights.

Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation” to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress, I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source:

Here is a link to the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

There... you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us, and what we will NEVER get back!!!!

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas
mrobertc@hotmail.com

MORE ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS

How many times have we watched a movie about World War II and looked at the scene where a menacing Nazi soldier has stopped a citizen of an occupied country or even a German citizen and demanded to see the person’s “identity papers.” Failure to produce such papers would cause the person to be immediately arrested. I always felt good when I watched this because I knew that in my free country that couldn’t happen.

Yes, we have our driver’s license that you have to produce if you are stopped for a driving infraction and you may have to produce to write a check. However, if you choose not to drive you are not required to have one and you can get another form of identification to do something like cash a check. Yet, the fact is that you are not legally required to have either of these documents and if you do have them they can only contain a limited amount of information.

When I was practicing law I dealt with a situation where in the State of Louisiana you were required to provide your Social Security number to get a Driver’s License and it was also put on the license for everyone to see. I represented a client who had both privacy objections to this and religious objections. We won the case on the grounds that this requirement violated his constitutional rights. What made this particularly interesting was the fact that in support of our position I cited an opinion by a Court of Appeal Justice named Ruth Bader Ginsburg who is now one of the more liberal members of the Supreme Court.

Now, HB 3200 will mandate that everyone in the United States have a National Healthcare card that they will be required to produce to get medical treatment. This will be required whether they have private health insurance or are involved in the so-called public option. There are no real options, you must have this card and it can contain any information that the Obama administration requires. It will be the “identity papers” that so many totalitarian regimes are infamous for.

Of course, you may be thinking that this will no longer be a problem if the “public option” is removed from the bill. This has been a trial balloon floated by the Obama administration yet it really means nothing if the rest of the bill is adopted. The Congress will still be transferring unlimited power to the Executive Branch of Government and the Commissioner appointed by President Obama can still require a National Health Care identification card, still have access to your financial and medical records, and still fine you for having a plan unacceptable to the government. This will result in the ultimate destruction of private health insurance and the adoption of a public system of rationed health care totally controlled by the government.

I found it interesting that a week after I wrote my first blog questioning the constitutionality of House Bill 3200 Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News interviewed two Constitutional experts who also saw this as an unconstitutional action by the Congress. They pointed out that normally when this type of legislation is introduced in Congress the members of the House of Representatives or the Senate cite the provisions of the U.S. Constitution that authorize such legislation.

This has not been the case in any of the Health Care Bills proposed. This is not a simple oversight on the part of the Congress.. They know they don’t have Constitutional authority to do this, but they simply don’t care. They intend to do it anyway. I find this to be both supremely arrogant, and absolutely terrifying. If they succeed in this, then no provisions of the Constitution are safe from attack.
In fact, in future articles I will point out where other provisions of our Constitution that I consider sacred are being totally disregarded and under full scale assault by the Congress and the Obama administration. I repeat what I said in my previous article; this is not about health care. It is about our fundamental rights as free citizens of the United States.

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Rareheart · 10-20-2009, 07:01 PM

This particular turd is most foul at both ends.

peaceandlove · 10-26-2009, 04:31 PM

Updated with Slides - Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul

VIDEO 1:35:05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXm...layer_embedded

SOURCE: http://solari.com/blog/

bellsisland · 10-26-2009, 07:37 PM

> pyrangello said:
> 11.What if I were to tell you that the President, the Courts, and the Federal Government has ignored the U.S. Constitution and have seized powers which the founders of our country fought to restrict. That our last presidential election may have been our last truly free election for some time to come. That our next presidential election may look similar to the one recently held in Iran .. (And maybe under review by ACORN.)
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Your post is so true. Is ACORN getting back it's funding on November 1st?

REPEAL.

10-19-2009, 11:11 AM	#1
viking Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,709	Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Please pass around ... To all US citizens............RISE UP AND STOP THE TREATY...... Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? On October 14, Lord Christopher Monckton gave a presentation at Bethel University in St. Paul, MN. In this 4 minute excerpt from his speech, he issues a dire warning to all Americans regarding the United Nations Climate Change Treaty, scheduled to be signed in Copenhagen in December 2009. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40 Sail on, O Ship of State! Sail on, O Union, strong and great! Humanity with all its fears, With all the hopes of future years, Is hanging breathless on thy fate! viking

10-19-2009, 11:28 AM	#2
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? My understanding is that yes, he is, and so is the United States Congress.

10-19-2009, 02:48 PM	#3
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? I keep wondering if that is being rushed because of his court hearing on January 26th. You would think that any law he put through while he was not legal to represent us would be squashed. I have a feeling this is why he will be in "hiding" soon. People will not tolerate this and there is a web site indicating that they are checking into this. I know that they think they know the ending of all their big plans but I'm thinking this one will not happen. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4737

10-19-2009, 05:23 PM	#4
Phtha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 947	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

10-19-2009, 05:37 PM	#5
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? He is reading that book because in the illuminati's mind.............they already (think) they know the outcome or they wouldn't play the game...............This one they are not going to win They are wrong and we need to remind them of that with our "feelings" I will not be afraid I will not comply I will flood my surroundings with the light and keep the darkness out

10-19-2009, 06:28 PM	#7
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Oh and they are really doubling up on their messges thats for sure They hate to lose and they are out in forces pushing the "fear-surival" buttom all over the internet, news and media. I find it quite hillarious now a days

10-19-2009, 07:45 PM	#9
bellsisland Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 73	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? The gentleman in the video said that once it was signed we had to ask permission to drop out of it and they would not let us. Is this not the most insane of policies! Do Not Tell me what I can do. Here I place an indivisible US Flag. Not that it means anything to Obama's post American world. How can he sell this country out? Did we not make him in our own image? Is he a puppet on a string?

10-19-2009, 09:15 PM	#12
bellsisland Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 73	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? HTML Code: [QUOTE=mntruthseeker;179408]IMO, Britain owns America and always has. District of Columbia is not even part of the USA....That is why they can do what they want. They are the last colony and the Constitution does not include what goes on there. The plan to put that to an end is already in place.[/QUOTE] DC is the last (lost) colony? What plan? If I am owned by Britain better them than China, Russia or Egypt or Iran or, well, you get my drift. If the constitution does not apply in DC please explain why?

10-19-2009, 09:19 PM	#13
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Thank you rareheart We really have to stay in that mindset to stop what those way up there are trying to keep down.........we can't continue being their slave I'm not sure what Obama knows or not in all seriousness. I do know that the bushes and clintons knew. It really doesnt matter anyhow I only care what WE need must do. Get out of their mode and move into ours and continue to bring "light" into the world. Yes, its an energy war and it always has been. We just didn't know we were in one

10-19-2009, 09:32 PM	#14
Rareheart Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SE Coast, US Posts: 195	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? The prospect of ending our "slavery" is more than most want to endure. After all...we are enslaved by the very thing we've sought for our entire lives...money. Capitalism requires monetary gain to sustain itself...doing better this quarter is the rally cry of capitalists (myself included). Where and when can we actually rid ourselves of this endearment to capital, yet continue to "do better"? hehehehe...you and I know the answer...but...who wants to endure it? I like camping...but as far as that's concerned, I'm in the minority.

10-19-2009, 09:57 PM	#15
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Ralph Epperson was a special guess of The Veritas Show not too long ago, and he spoke about this and I have to say it was only the second time I had ever seen anything regarding When I first started waking up I found a site online that has since been removed. Of course it had tons of information regarding everything that has been discussed in here and other forums. I am not putting down Britain.........I am putting down your rulers. I am not suppose to judge so I guess I will say, I'm not impressed by them. If you are happy under their rulings then so be it. China would not be a place where I would want to be living either. Washington D.C. is a colony. They are not even allowed to vote. District of Columbia...............Indeed ! It would take me forever to go over this but I can put a link here to Ralph's website and you may visit if you like. The first thing you will find is how The newspaper article dated November 30, 1941, in Hawaaii ran an article that Japan would be strike us over the weekend . SHOCK SHOCK. No longer does any of this BS surprise me. http://www.ralph-epperson.com/ The veritas show still has his video up there and the first half may be heard for free. Actually Mel only charges 5.00 a month in 3 months premium to hear his videos and become a member...............I think its worth it as his guess go into a lot more as they are not coached in any way on what they can or can not say.

10-20-2009, 03:09 PM	#18
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Here are 2 emails I recieved from a friend, I copy and pasted these as it seems there are spears coming in from all directions in regards to our sovereignty, please read below: > PLEASE READ THIS!!! Very Interesting Read! > > What would you say if I gave you 11 reasons why the elections in 2010 will be the most important in the history of the United States ? > > 1.What if I had told you in October 2008, before the last presidential election, that before Barack Obama's first 100 days in office, the Federal Government would be in control of both the mortgage and the banking industries? That 19 of America's largest banks would be forced to undergo stress tests by the Federal Government which would determine if they were insufficiently capitalized, so they must be supervised by the government? > > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America ." > > 2.What if I had told you that within Barack Obama's first 100 days in office the Federal Government would be the largest shareholder in the 2 of the US Big-Three automakers: GM, and Chrysler? > > That the Government would fire the CEO's of these companies and appoint hand-picked executives with zero experience in the auto industry and that executive compensation would be determined, not by a Board of Directors, but by the Government? > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!" > > 3.What if I had told you that Barack Obama would appoint 33 Czars, without congressional approval, accountable only to him, not to the voters, who would have control over a wide range of US policy decisions. That there would be a Stimulus Accountability Czar, an Urban Czar, a Compensation Czar, an Iran Czar, an Auto Industry Czar, a Cyber Security Czar, an Energy Czar, a Bank Bailout Czar, and more than a dozen other government bureaucrats with unchecked regulatory powers over US domestic and foreign policy. > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!" > > 4.What if I had told you that the federal deficit would be $915 billion in the first six months of the Obama presidency - with a projected annual deficit of $1.75 trillion - triple the $454.8 billion in 2008, for which the previous administration was highly criticized by Obama and his fellow Democrats. That congress would pass Obama's $3.53 trillion federal budget for fiscal 2010... That the projected deficit over the next ten years would be greater than $10 trillion. That Billions have been funneled to ACORN and similar organizations. > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!" > > 5.What if I had told you that the Obama Justice Department would order FBI agents to read Miranda rights to high-value detainees captured on the battlefield and held at US military detention facilities in Afghanistan . That Obama would order the closing of the Guantanamo detention facility with no plan for the disposition of the 200-plus individuals held there. That several of the suspected terrorists at Guantanamo would be sent to live in freedom in Bermuda at the expense of the US government. That our returning US veterans would be labeled terrorists and put on a watch list. > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America !" > > 6.What if I had told you that the Federal Government would seek powers to seize key companies whose failures could jeopardize the financial system. That a new regulatory agency would be proposed by Obama to control loans, credit cards, mortgage-backed securities, and other financial products offered to the public. > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!" > > 7.What if I had told you that Obama would travel to the Middle East, bow before the Saudi king, and repeatedly apologize for America 's past actions. That he would travel to Latin America where he would warmly greet Venezuela 's strongman Hugo Chavez and sit passively in the audience while Nicaraguan Marxist thug Daniel Ortega charged America with terrorist aggression in Central America. > Would you have said, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!" > > 8.Okay, now what if I were to tell you that Obama wants to dismantle conservative talk radio through the imposition of a new "Fairness Doctrine." That he wants to curtail the First Amendment rights of those who may disagree with his policies via Internet blogs, cable news networks, or advocacy ads. That most major network television and most newspapers will only sing his phrases like state-run media in communist countries? And he has appointed a czar to make that happen. > Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!!" > > 9.What if I were to tell you that the Obama Justice Department is doing everything it can to limit your Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms. That the Federal Government wants to reinstate the so-called assault weapons ban which would prohibit the sale of any type of firearm that doesn't require the shooter to pull the trigger every time a round is fired. That Obama's Attorney General wants to eliminate the sale of virtually all handguns and ammunition, which most citizens choose for self-defense. > Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!!" > > 10.What if I were to tell you that the Obama plan is to eliminate states rights guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment and give the Federal Government sweeping new powers over policies currently under the province of local and state governments and voted on by the people. That Obama plans to control the schools, energy production, the environment, health care, and the wealth of every US citizen. > Would you say, "C'mon, that will never happen in America!!" > > 11.What if I were to tell you that the President, the Courts, and the Federal Government has ignored the U.S. Constitution and have seized powers which the founders of our country fought to restrict. That our last presidential election may have been our last truly free election for some time to come. That our next presidential election may look similar to the one recently held in Iran .. (And maybe under review by ACORN.) > > I know, I know what you will say. "That will never happen in America!!!" > > WHAT IF I WAS TO TELL YOU MOST OF ALL OF THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. -----Original Message----- From: Subject: Fw: : Constitutional Lawyer on Truth and Healthcare Bills (http://michaelconnelly..viviti.com) is a constitutional lawyer and has read the entire healthcare bill. He has some comments, not about the bill, but about the effects on our Constitution -- it's a broader picture than just healthcare reform. All of you and those to whom you communicate had better sit up and pay attention. Once this sort of thing happens, it will be irreversible. This article talks about the BO administration; but once passed, EVERY administration will have these new powers brought about because of the current rant for CHANGE!!! Please... ....forward this letter to everyone. ....print it out and leave it at supermarkets. ....send it to every talk show, TV, radio host you can think of. ....copy it to every blog you use. ....send it to newspapers. ....be sure to send it to your Elected Spenders!!!!!!!!!!!! Please read the information below. Yes... read it all. We want our Congress people to read the legislation they pass, and we need to be informed, too. The Truth About the Health Care Bills Posted August 12, 2009 Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise -- constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected. To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is, in fact, true,despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care (particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved), free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession. The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred or even been contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed. The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care. This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the Obama administration (and all those that come thereafter) of all of your personal healthcare information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices Administrator” appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law." So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The 9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork, neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control. I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care, it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation” to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress, I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source: Here is a link to the Constitution: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html And another to the Bill of Rights: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html There... you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us, and what we will NEVER get back!!!! Michael Connelly Retired attorney Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton, Texas mrobertc@hotmail.com MORE ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE BILLS How many times have we watched a movie about World War II and looked at the scene where a menacing Nazi soldier has stopped a citizen of an occupied country or even a German citizen and demanded to see the person’s “identity papers.” Failure to produce such papers would cause the person to be immediately arrested. I always felt good when I watched this because I knew that in my free country that couldn’t happen. Yes, we have our driver’s license that you have to produce if you are stopped for a driving infraction and you may have to produce to write a check. However, if you choose not to drive you are not required to have one and you can get another form of identification to do something like cash a check. Yet, the fact is that you are not legally required to have either of these documents and if you do have them they can only contain a limited amount of information. When I was practicing law I dealt with a situation where in the State of Louisiana you were required to provide your Social Security number to get a Driver’s License and it was also put on the license for everyone to see. I represented a client who had both privacy objections to this and religious objections. We won the case on the grounds that this requirement violated his constitutional rights. What made this particularly interesting was the fact that in support of our position I cited an opinion by a Court of Appeal Justice named Ruth Bader Ginsburg who is now one of the more liberal members of the Supreme Court. Now, HB 3200 will mandate that everyone in the United States have a National Healthcare card that they will be required to produce to get medical treatment. This will be required whether they have private health insurance or are involved in the so-called public option. There are no real options, you must have this card and it can contain any information that the Obama administration requires. It will be the “identity papers” that so many totalitarian regimes are infamous for. Of course, you may be thinking that this will no longer be a problem if the “public option” is removed from the bill. This has been a trial balloon floated by the Obama administration yet it really means nothing if the rest of the bill is adopted. The Congress will still be transferring unlimited power to the Executive Branch of Government and the Commissioner appointed by President Obama can still require a National Health Care identification card, still have access to your financial and medical records, and still fine you for having a plan unacceptable to the government. This will result in the ultimate destruction of private health insurance and the adoption of a public system of rationed health care totally controlled by the government. I found it interesting that a week after I wrote my first blog questioning the constitutionality of House Bill 3200 Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News interviewed two Constitutional experts who also saw this as an unconstitutional action by the Congress. They pointed out that normally when this type of legislation is introduced in Congress the members of the House of Representatives or the Senate cite the provisions of the U.S. Constitution that authorize such legislation. This has not been the case in any of the Health Care Bills proposed. This is not a simple oversight on the part of the Congress.. They know they don’t have Constitutional authority to do this, but they simply don’t care. They intend to do it anyway. I find this to be both supremely arrogant, and absolutely terrifying. If they succeed in this, then no provisions of the Constitution are safe from attack. In fact, in future articles I will point out where other provisions of our Constitution that I consider sacred are being totally disregarded and under full scale assault by the Congress and the Obama administration. I repeat what I said in my previous article; this is not about health care. It is about our fundamental rights as free citizens of the United States. Welcome to my website. I am a retired attorney and am now a published author, freelance writer, and teacher. I am the author of two books, "Riders in the Sky: The Ghosts and Legends of Philmont Scout Ranch" and "The Mortarmen." I also teach law courses via the Internet through colleges and universities worldwide. To find a college or university near you, go to Education To Go's website at www.ed2go.com. The courses I teach and the links to the courses' webpage where you can find out more about them are: Constitutional Law: http://www..ed2go.com/courses/cl1 Winning Strategy For The Courtroom: http://www.ed2go.com/courses/wsc Business Law For The Small Business Owner: http://www.ed2go.com/courses/law Evidence Law: http://www.ed2go.com/courses/evl "Political correctness" is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. R.J. Wiedemann, LtCol, USMC Ret

10-20-2009, 07:01 PM	#19
Rareheart Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SE Coast, US Posts: 195	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? This particular turd is most foul at both ends.

10-26-2009, 04:31 PM	#20
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? Updated with Slides - Lord Christopher Monckton Speaking in St. Paul VIDEO 1:35:05: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXm...layer_embedded SOURCE: http://solari.com/blog/

10-26-2009, 07:37 PM	#21
bellsisland Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 73	Re: Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty? > pyrangello said: > 11.What if I were to tell you that the President, the Courts, and the Federal Government has ignored the U.S. Constitution and have seized powers which the founders of our country fought to restrict. That our last presidential election may have been our last truly free election for some time to come. That our next presidential election may look similar to the one recently held in Iran .. (And maybe under review by ACORN.) + + + Your post is so true. Is ACORN getting back it's funding on November 1st? REPEAL.