The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality

Zeddo · 08-01-2009, 06:04 AM

Well, I might get shouted at and told this belongs in an already existing thread, I'll just have to take my chances.

I was watching/reading the Burisch Kerry thread from a distance as in all honesty, I am avoiding negative threads like the swine flu vaccine (the plague). To say I was stunned at what is going on at a spiritual level would indeed be a mild pronouncement. I know that there is much love out here in the world of Avalon, I have experienced it first hand. I have also experienced the opposite but that too is a good thing as it is opportunity for growth, an opportunity to sit back and reflect in a time of meditation.
Hmmmm, I hear someone saying "I don't do the meditation thing". Well dear, just being here reading is in itself a form of meditation, so relax.

There were a lot of good comments in that thread, comments about if you place someone on a pedestal they will surely tumble, etc. Good stuff, excellent observations. The comments that verged on the hysterical is actually what this post is aimed at.

I posted the lyrics to a song there by David Crosby called Naked in the Rain, and it would appear that by and large, the lyrics went unnoticed. I guess in all honesty, I am not surprised as the thread itself is based in the flesh and lacks any spirituality whatsoever. No, this is not an attack, it is hopefully an observation that can be absorbed, mulled over and allowed to seep into the recesses where it can go to work. You see, above all, we need spiritual answers for the Now, we need to rise above that which we see with the eyes, as it is these things that waylay us and send us off on a tangent, away from what we actually are here for. Just as a reminder, we are actually here to be a part of that which brings in the new reality, the "new age" (I hate that expression but there isn't an alternative). We need to leave the fighting to those who want to have at it, if the cat is amongst the pigeons, we need to understand that the door has been left open and to begin to understand that unless we lift our own game plan to a higher spiritual level, we will be forever stuck here.

Do we need Burisch? Do we need Kerry? In fact do we need anyone, including me? No, we don't, and yes we do. I know I know, a total contradiction, but not really. What we need is each other at a spiritual level, a level where we proffer unconditional love, where we understand that to err is human, to forgive is divine. Kerry and Burisch need to also understand this, and I speak of a previous incident when Michael St Claire said something and the love that poured out of Avalon was just so pure. Indeed it was so pure it made the Ganges in flood look pristine.

Here is an interesting thread, and it sums up exactly what I have been thinking for quite some time now. Why are we here? To be noticed? To have our egos stroked? To be "The Man/Woman"? Are we seeking some form of recognition, some accolade? It would appear that way as a lot of hurting goes on here in Avalon, and when huring occurs, it is because there is ego involved. Ego determines that there has to be one-upmanship, a winner and a loser, a victor and a victim. Is that really who we are?

The thread -
http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy

http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy

Love Light and UNITY

Z

burgundia · 08-01-2009, 08:06 AM

Angel in Disguise · 08-01-2009, 08:16 AM

Wow... I just read this thread and posted earlier in another thread how there are no winners or losers in my mind and how I will always love everyone regardless of their perspective... Trippy

I think many people have forgotten who they are (no offense to those who haven't)... We are LOVE... That's it, that's all, that is what will find us and that is what we will find!

Zeddo · 08-01-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel in Disguise

Wow... I just read this thread and posted earlier in another thread how there are no winners or losers in my mind and how I will always love everyone regardless of their perspective... Trippy

I think many people have forgotten who they are (no offense to those who haven't)... We are LOVE... That's it, that's all, that is what will find us and that is what we will find!

Hi there Angel

Don't you just love when synchronicities happen! It also tends to make me feel better about what I posted, sometimes I think I go a bit "out there" and then this happens and I feel okay again!

Thanks for the reply!

Z

Angel in Disguise · 08-01-2009, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeddo

Hi there Angel

Don't you just love when synchronicities happen! It also tends to make me feel better about what I posted, sometimes I think I go a bit "out there" and then this happens and I feel okay again!

Thanks for the reply!

Z

Yes Zeddo... I agree. When we learn that we are NOT ego but we are ALL love... PURE LOVE... THAT is when we will transcend/ascend... Understand, respect, and love that which you do not understand and unity will transpire... somehow, someway... IT WILL!!! Cheers

Anchor · 08-01-2009, 11:58 AM

My ego really does need a good kick-in sometimes

The trick is to keep it where it belongs, which is a lot easier said than done.

It is there for a reason though. We do need the damn thing!

A..

THE eXchanger · 08-01-2009, 01:14 PM

a story that is true/or a story that is NOT true
is created by a soul/or souls
operating in a role
and, doing it
honestly/or falsely

if the story/ or story line is interesting
it gathers some attention

ironically any story,
the true one, or the false one
both serve the same purpose,
to get information out there,
and, for others to "mine" the "truth" from it

all stories put out an energetic imprint
one that creates levels of awareness
and, it is, what makes/or propels other souls
to want to eXplore the topic
in greater detail, and, in greater depth
and, mine it, for all that it is

the research they gather from a "real" story,
or a "false" story....
contains threads of truth, and, threads of falsehoods,
and, it is up to the researcher to discern them

should they find "the topic" interesting
they might choose to eXplore the topic
in much greater depth
by discerning the information
by comparing it
to what others have said
on the same topic...
and, then drawing their own set of conclusions

so, from a spiritual aspect
all souls will always, and, in all ways choose to play their roles
that relate to their missions/purposes/and, tasks
in an assortment of ways ...
sometimes - falsely
and, sometimes - honestly

the "untrue" story, is sometimes "the one"
that will lead the researchers, as well as,
just the common man/or woman
to finding the real threads of truth
and, isn't that, what most of us,
are looking for ???

THE 'REAL' TRUTH

tone3jaguar · 08-01-2009, 01:48 PM

Spiritually during the conference when all of the crazy stuff was happening I remote viewed the situation and discovered that the amplitude of the emotional outbursts off the audience was being fueled by negative 5d STS thought forms. I actually emailed Bill to let him know about it. Another spiritual aspect of this is that Dan showed tears of guilt when he was telling about the fake story of his daughter being taken away. My take on that is he was so ridden with guilt about leading so many good people in the wrong direction that the emotions where based in that, then he just layered the story on top of it.

Spiritually Kerry is just like most people on the planet dealing with her own Karma in a rapid fire fashion in order to rifle through all of it before the transition. This is more than likely why she attracted the situation into her experience. This does not mean that she is paying for anything bad she did, it is just simply because she is being taught important lessons about discernment by her higher self.

THE eXchanger · 08-01-2009, 01:51 PM

do you think
the 'garb' or 'outfits' of some of the presenters
were worth the price of 'the admission' ???

THE eXchanger · 08-01-2009, 01:56 PM

bill ryan's email box - is full

someone, might want to let him know !!!

TruthWillSetUFree · 08-01-2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeddo

Well, I might get shouted at and told this belongs in an already existing thread, I'll just have to take my chances.

I was watching/reading the Burisch Kerry thread from a distance as in all honesty, I am avoiding negative threads like the swine flu vaccine (the plague). To say I was stunned at what is going on at a spiritual level would indeed be a mild pronouncement. I know that there is much love out here in the world of Avalon, I have experienced it first hand. I have also experienced the opposite but that too is a good thing as it is opportunity for growth, an opportunity to sit back and reflect in a time of meditation.
Hmmmm, I hear someone saying "I don't do the meditation thing". Well dear, just being here reading is in itself a form of meditation, so relax.

There were a lot of good comments in that thread, comments about if you place someone on a pedestal they will surely tumble, etc. Good stuff, excellent observations. The comments that verged on the hysterical is actually what this post is aimed at.

I posted the lyrics to a song there by David Crosby called Naked in the Rain, and it would appear that by and large, the lyrics went unnoticed. I guess in all honesty, I am not surprised as the thread itself is based in the flesh and lacks any spirituality whatsoever. No, this is not an attack, it is hopefully an observation that can be absorbed, mulled over and allowed to seep into the recesses where it can go to work. You see, above all, we need spiritual answers for the Now, we need to rise above that which we see with the eyes, as it is these things that waylay us and send us off on a tangent, away from what we actually are here for. Just as a reminder, we are actually here to be a part of that which brings in the new reality, the "new age" (I hate that expression but there isn't an alternative). We need to leave the fighting to those who want to have at it, if the cat is amongst the pigeons, we need to understand that the door has been left open and to begin to understand that unless we lift our own game plan to a higher spiritual level, we will be forever stuck here.

Do we need Burisch? Do we need Kerry? In fact do we need anyone, including me? No, we don't, and yes we do. I know I know, a total contradiction, but not really. What we need is each other at a spiritual level, a level where we proffer unconditional love, where we understand that to err is human, to forgive is divine. Kerry and Burisch need to also understand this, and I speak of a previous incident when Michael St Claire said something and the love that poured out of Avalon was just so pure. Indeed it was so pure it made the Ganges in flood look pristine.

Here is an interesting thread, and it sums up exactly what I have been thinking for quite some time now. Why are we here? To be noticed? To have our egos stroked? To be "The Man/Woman"? Are we seeking some form of recognition, some accolade? It would appear that way as a lot of hurting goes on here in Avalon, and when huring occurs, it is because there is ego involved. Ego determines that there has to be one-upmanship, a winner and a loser, a victor and a victim. Is that really who we are?

The thread -
http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy

http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy

Love Light and UNITY

Z

One of the things I avoid, like the swine flu is psudo spirituality where one behaves in a way that is devoid of the true emotions of being human. I am a very loving and forgiving person, but that doesn't mean I will sit idly by without speaking my Truth. I believe this is how tptb became so powerful, because we were all indoctrinated into religious ideas of blindly loving and blindly following, the new age movement today has the same face on it that religions did, in fact I heard the theosophy society was infiltrated by tptb to be used again for control and power over others.

No, this is a whole new paradigm where one fully feels their emotions, instead of pushing them down where they will manifest some other way most likely in dis-ease, or pretending something doesn't bother them in the name of love. It is where one speaks their Truth above everything while staying centered within oneself not making the other wrong or hating them but also knowing that speaking the Truth in the world helps the whole collective.

And most importantly to use emotions the way they were intended, not to BE the emotion. Anger is a very powerful energy, one can use it to initiate change or to propel an action through words, but not be the emotion where one would commit a crime of passion.

Emotions and feelings are not bad or wrong, it is what we do with them and how we use them. Just because one is making an observation does not mean they are upset or angry, that is the reader projecting onto the words THEIR OWN FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT IS WRITTEN. A person can fully express themselves without engaging in negativity, again it is using an emotion not being the emotion.

To say one was not effected by the lies of DB would make me wonder what they are avoiding feeling. A past betrayal? Not wanting to feel duped or made a fool? To not have any emotion about what happened except for judgment about what other people were feeling would also leave questions as to what the intention behind it was.
One cannot cut off their emotions as if they didn't exist. Just like having a leg cut off, one still feels phantom leg pain. It is about integrating all parts of oneself the shadow and the light in awareness and acceptance not demonizing being a human being but loving all human attributes as they are all God-given.

To me Avalon is the place to 'say it like it is' as we are each part of the whole. All brothers and sisters in like-mind and heart searching for the Truth.

day · 08-02-2009, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Spiritually during the conference when all of the crazy stuff was happening I remote viewed the situation and discovered that the amplitude of the emotional outbursts off the audience was being fueled by negative 5d STS thought forms. I actually emailed Bill to let him know about it. Another spiritual aspect of this is that Dan showed tears of guilt when he was telling about the fake story of his daughter being taken away. My take on that is he was so ridden with guilt about leading so many good people in the wrong direction that the emotions where based in that, then he just layered the story on top of it.

Spiritually Kerry is just like most people on the planet dealing with her own Karma in a rapid fire fashion in order to rifle through all of it before the transition. This is more than likely why she attracted the situation into her experience. This does not mean that she is paying for anything bad she did, it is just simply because she is being taught important lessons about discernment by her higher self.

I also found that a lot of the peoples reaction on all sides were due to psychic attacks, It would be good to think of most of those people as being concerned and fairly rational under different circumstance.

The way so many flip flop changes occured in the after events hints at continuing affectation from a kind of psychic warfare. It is interesting that Kerry did a radio show about this very thing before going to Europe, I believe she is aware of the problem.

day · 08-02-2009, 03:11 AM

Quote:

To me Avalon is the place to 'say it like it is' as we are each part of the whole. All brothers and sisters in like-mind and heart searching for the Truth.

Absolutely....I find so many posts here where people have just shared their feelings freely and so much love was shared back!! WWWWOOOOOW

that is so fantastic and wonderful -- This forum is something we all seem to want to take care of and keep things in proper perspective!

MyShadow · 08-04-2009, 06:19 PM

I have not seen the thread, nor do I choose to. I think that whatever is going on over there, those that need/want to focus on it will be called and will get something out of it. Whether it's a drama-fix, or perhaps seeing differing perspectives on topics - it truly serves it's purpose for those called to it.

I think it comes down to - what are they putting out and are you aligned enough to give your attention to it. Often, what people say is very different from what they are putting out, so things don't always appear what they seem.

08-01-2009, 06:04 AM	#1
Zeddo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 694	The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality Well, I might get shouted at and told this belongs in an already existing thread, I'll just have to take my chances. I was watching/reading the Burisch Kerry thread from a distance as in all honesty, I am avoiding negative threads like the swine flu vaccine (the plague). To say I was stunned at what is going on at a spiritual level would indeed be a mild pronouncement. I know that there is much love out here in the world of Avalon, I have experienced it first hand. I have also experienced the opposite but that too is a good thing as it is opportunity for growth, an opportunity to sit back and reflect in a time of meditation. Hmmmm, I hear someone saying "I don't do the meditation thing". Well dear, just being here reading is in itself a form of meditation, so relax. There were a lot of good comments in that thread, comments about if you place someone on a pedestal they will surely tumble, etc. Good stuff, excellent observations. The comments that verged on the hysterical is actually what this post is aimed at. I posted the lyrics to a song there by David Crosby called Naked in the Rain, and it would appear that by and large, the lyrics went unnoticed. I guess in all honesty, I am not surprised as the thread itself is based in the flesh and lacks any spirituality whatsoever. No, this is not an attack, it is hopefully an observation that can be absorbed, mulled over and allowed to seep into the recesses where it can go to work. You see, above all, we need spiritual answers for the Now, we need to rise above that which we see with the eyes, as it is these things that waylay us and send us off on a tangent, away from what we actually are here for. Just as a reminder, we are actually here to be a part of that which brings in the new reality, the "new age" (I hate that expression but there isn't an alternative). We need to leave the fighting to those who want to have at it, if the cat is amongst the pigeons, we need to understand that the door has been left open and to begin to understand that unless we lift our own game plan to a higher spiritual level, we will be forever stuck here. Do we need Burisch? Do we need Kerry? In fact do we need anyone, including me? No, we don't, and yes we do. I know I know, a total contradiction, but not really. What we need is each other at a spiritual level, a level where we proffer unconditional love, where we understand that to err is human, to forgive is divine. Kerry and Burisch need to also understand this, and I speak of a previous incident when Michael St Claire said something and the love that poured out of Avalon was just so pure. Indeed it was so pure it made the Ganges in flood look pristine. Here is an interesting thread, and it sums up exactly what I have been thinking for quite some time now. Why are we here? To be noticed? To have our egos stroked? To be "The Man/Woman"? Are we seeking some form of recognition, some accolade? It would appear that way as a lot of hurting goes on here in Avalon, and when huring occurs, it is because there is ego involved. Ego determines that there has to be one-upmanship, a winner and a loser, a victor and a victim. Is that really who we are? The thread - http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-US-In...ual-conspiracy Love Light and UNITY Z

08-01-2009, 08:06 AM	#2
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality

08-01-2009, 08:16 AM	#3
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality Wow... I just read this thread and posted earlier in another thread how there are no winners or losers in my mind and how I will always love everyone regardless of their perspective... Trippy I think many people have forgotten who they are (no offense to those who haven't)... We are LOVE... That's it, that's all, that is what will find us and that is what we will find! Last edited by Angel in Disguise; 08-01-2009 at 08:18 AM.

08-01-2009, 11:58 AM	#6
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality My ego really does need a good kick-in sometimes The trick is to keep it where it belongs, which is a lot easier said than done. It is there for a reason though. We do need the damn thing! A..

08-01-2009, 01:14 PM	#7
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality a story that is true/or a story that is NOT true is created by a soul/or souls operating in a role and, doing it honestly/or falsely if the story/ or story line is interesting it gathers some attention ironically any story, the true one, or the false one both serve the same purpose, to get information out there, and, for others to "mine" the "truth" from it all stories put out an energetic imprint one that creates levels of awareness and, it is, what makes/or propels other souls to want to eXplore the topic in greater detail, and, in greater depth and, mine it, for all that it is the research they gather from a "real" story, or a "false" story.... contains threads of truth, and, threads of falsehoods, and, it is up to the researcher to discern them should they find "the topic" interesting they might choose to eXplore the topic in much greater depth by discerning the information by comparing it to what others have said on the same topic... and, then drawing their own set of conclusions so, from a spiritual aspect all souls will always, and, in all ways choose to play their roles that relate to their missions/purposes/and, tasks in an assortment of ways ... sometimes - falsely and, sometimes - honestly the "untrue" story, is sometimes "the one" that will lead the researchers, as well as, just the common man/or woman to finding the real threads of truth and, isn't that, what most of us, are looking for ??? THE 'REAL' TRUTH

08-01-2009, 01:48 PM	#8
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality Spiritually during the conference when all of the crazy stuff was happening I remote viewed the situation and discovered that the amplitude of the emotional outbursts off the audience was being fueled by negative 5d STS thought forms. I actually emailed Bill to let him know about it. Another spiritual aspect of this is that Dan showed tears of guilt when he was telling about the fake story of his daughter being taken away. My take on that is he was so ridden with guilt about leading so many good people in the wrong direction that the emotions where based in that, then he just layered the story on top of it. Spiritually Kerry is just like most people on the planet dealing with her own Karma in a rapid fire fashion in order to rifle through all of it before the transition. This is more than likely why she attracted the situation into her experience. This does not mean that she is paying for anything bad she did, it is just simply because she is being taught important lessons about discernment by her higher self.

08-01-2009, 01:51 PM	#9
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality do you think the 'garb' or 'outfits' of some of the presenters were worth the price of 'the admission' ???

08-01-2009, 01:56 PM	#10
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality bill ryan's email box - is full someone, might want to let him know !!!

08-04-2009, 06:19 PM	#14
MyShadow Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 144	Re: The Burisch/Kerry thing and spirituality I have not seen the thread, nor do I choose to. I think that whatever is going on over there, those that need/want to focus on it will be called and will get something out of it. Whether it's a drama-fix, or perhaps seeing differing perspectives on topics - it truly serves it's purpose for those called to it. I think it comes down to - what are they putting out and are you aligned enough to give your attention to it. Often, what people say is very different from what they are putting out, so things don't always appear what they seem.