The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing?

Steve_A · 11-11-2008, 08:45 AM

Hi Everyody,

The British Prime Minister said in a speech yesterday that now is the time to push forward for a new global order.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page17420

Without getting too radical, what's your take on this?

Best regards,

Steve

taomation · 11-11-2008, 08:57 AM

If he is openly saying this, it simply means that the PTB are getting ready to try to bring their hundred or so year agenda into being. The only way a "New World Order" would be a good thing is if it were brought about by the will of the people with a spiritual and ethical motivation behind it. The Banksters of the world are neither spiritual or ethical so I would ask you to answer your own question. If you haven't already done so, I would refer you to David Icke or Alex Jones or just look up New World Order on the Internet.

If I didn't know how blessed and protected I am, I would be very nervous about this. Their plans are not going to succeed...Tao

raulduke · 11-11-2008, 09:56 AM

Par for the course of course.

Gordon Brown's a broken record. This ain't the first time we've heard this Steve, and i'm sure it's not the last.

I'm pretty sure they know that we pick up on their phrases like "new world" this or that.

My guess is that they like to see us get frazzled by openly calling for what we know is more of their creppy "secret" plans, but it sounds pretty innocent to your casual political observer.
So yeah, I think its just a jab to let the informed crowd know, "Were moving forward w/ the plan."

Well pardon me, but **** that, and **** them. We're moving forward w/ our plans too, and there are more of us. It's only a matter of time until we settle the score.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 11-11-2008, 10:19 AM

gordo is given script to read, not usre how much knowledge prime ministers and presidents have of the overall plan? not much id say. they are too busy in their compartmentalised boxes beavering away as instructed.. as it says (incredibly) behind the statue of roosevelt THEY (WHO) SEEK TO ESTABLISH SYSTEMS OF GOVERNMENT BASED ON THE REGIMENTATION OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS BY A HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUAL RULERS.. CALL THIS A NEW ORDER.. IT IS NOT NEW AND IT IS NOT ORDER.. type roosevelt memorial into google..

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 11-11-2008, 10:32 AM

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raulduke · 11-11-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

gordo is given script to read, not usre how much knowledge prime ministers and presidents have of the overall plan? not much id say.

Agreed, but I think they probably know (at least a bit) more than any other "visible"politician/authority figure.

What you said about pms and presidents simply reading what's given to them though, I always wondered why there wasn't much interest in the speech writers and their agendas, because alot of policy inducing "talking points" are created by speech writers.

I like how Hoagland accounts for the effectiveness of compartmentalization,

"The Lie is different at every level."

TranceAm · 11-11-2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Everyody,

The British Prime Minister said in a speech yesterday that now is the time to push forward for a new global order.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page17420

Without getting too radical, what's your take on this?

Best regards,

Steve

Hmm, one would think, that the masses are catching on to this fraud, so they/them that want the wheel of that "new" world order have to keep the initiative, to have the masses react passive and hinking from one leg to the other on the edge of the shadow of the doubt, instead of actively act....

Ref : http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/...es;read=217412

Its starting..
.

borrasca2012 · 11-11-2008, 03:04 PM

...... NOTHING SPECIAL......

old bush was talking and trying it in the "80 "s........

and....?????

i"m still FREE

Noela · 11-11-2008, 03:21 PM

I think we should not get too het up every time the phrase "new world order" is used. It's a bit like saying every time the world "conservative" is used it means Conservative. I read the article concerned over lunch and noted that Gordon Brown also said we should begin to think in terms of "all of us" (or words to that effect) rather than "them and us" which I thought showed that there is a global consciousness moving in that direction.
Noela

Allie · 11-11-2008, 03:37 PM

There are others using what appears to me to be a similar term - The group of New World Servers.

This is an Alice Bailey-type, New Age term which is bandied about.

There are some who see this in terms of 'lightworkers' and others who believe this is a suspicious agenda.
Personally, I think it is easy to 'react' to words and get tangled up in that reaction. In all that I have read and seen, it is possible to construct more than one meaning - much depends on the outlook of the observer.

Myra · 11-11-2008, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Everyody,

The British Prime Minister said in a speech yesterday that now is the time to push forward for a new global order.

http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page17420

Without getting too radical, what's your take on this?

Best regards,

Steve

>>".....based on cooperation......"<<

Well I don't like the sound of that one. They would have to force people to cooperate because not everyone agrees to "go Global".

I certainly don't and I'm sure there are countless others.

I'm not feeling comfortable with this at all.

isotelesis · 11-11-2008, 09:39 PM

The "New World Order" is not a panacea, and different nations have different ideas of what it will mean, so the British idea may not be isomorphic to the Russian version. The IMF and World Bank would like to get involved, but if they do, it would be under more scrutiny and subject to a checks and balances system. It has become a multi-polar world, the world chess board is not subject to flat Euclidean rules anymore, it has moved on to Riemannian geometries. Order out of chaos is a good thing, it is more teleonomic rather than teleologic, unless they're using looking glass.

Look for the factions which will inevitably arise. Out with the old and in with the new. Those who called for it in the first place may not be prepared for how our global complex system will react to it. Simulations are quite useful.

Professor Nordheim · 11-12-2008, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allie

There are others using what appears to me to be a similar term - The group of New World Servers.

This is an Alice Bailey-type, New Age term which is bandied about.

There are some who see this in terms of 'lightworkers' and others who believe this is a suspicious agenda.
Personally, I think it is easy to 'react' to words and get tangled up in that reaction. In all that I have read and seen, it is possible to construct more than one meaning - much depends on the outlook of the observer.

Alice Bailey is the founder of the Lucis Trust. This is no ordinary third rate occult organisation. Lucis Trust is a powerful institution that enjoys "Consultative Status" with the United Nations, which permits it to have a close working relationship with the U.N., including a seat on the weekly sessions, but most importantly influence with powerful business and national leaders throughout the world.

Lucis Trust is run through an international board of trustees whose membership is said to have included: John D. Rockefeller; Norman Cousins; Robert S. McNamara; Thomas Watson, Jr. (IBM, former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow); Henry Clauson Grand Commander of the Supreme Council, 33rd Degree, Southern District Scottish Rite and Henry Kissinger. This would then tie Bailey's influential occult organization into the international conspiracy of elitists, including the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Bilderbergs, and the Trilateral Commission.

The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations

Lucis (Lucifer) Trust, Alice Bailey, World Goodwill and the False Light of New World Order

Allie · 11-12-2008, 12:51 AM

Yes, I'm aware of the Lucis Trust.

I'm not a fan of Mrs Bailey. I was directed to her work by a colleague who found her to be a wise and enlightened teacher. I'm afraid this wasn't quite the opinion I formed.

isotelesis · 11-12-2008, 01:42 AM

The Lucis Trust philosophy is quaint, simplistic, assumptive, fusty. A noble effort, but all too prima donna, they are secretly jealous of the spiritual awareness innately a part of many non-anglicized cultures. Eurasians have been there and done that, enough with the sterility, the Mithras, Roshaniya, Tibetans, Gnostics, Theosophists have done it before, and they did not stop there. Luciferian prometheanism is just another mythological archetype of inherently human interpolations. If God represents phase 1, Lucifer represents phase 2, Humankind as an independent self-organizing entity represents phase 3. The aristocracy of angels and demons has died. If Nietzsche's Zarathustra declared God dead, Javanbakht's Isotelesis declares Lucifer dead, intelligent conscious entities no longer require heroic idols to sacrificially justify the ultimate cause. There is no "lender of last resort", there is no free-lunch, messianic bailouts are for phase 2 thinkers. Dualism is a relic of the primitive, holism is the new beginning, sacrificial belief systems are utterly ridiculous. "You die, the earth lives"...how convenient, we love black and white, makes coercion much easier.

Rocky_Shorz · 11-12-2008, 03:59 AM

The new World order is going to be paddling around in boats if these rains keep up...

anyone build an ark yet?

Humble Janitor · 11-12-2008, 07:17 AM

They can blab all they want and continue to think that their hare-brained attempts at scaring people will work. They're simply too late.

A world that has awakened is a force that shall be unstoppable, even in the face of an elite few.

11-11-2008, 08:45 AM	#1
Steve_A Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northeastern Brazil Posts: 1,259	The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? Hi Everyody, The British Prime Minister said in a speech yesterday that now is the time to push forward for a new global order. http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page17420 Without getting too radical, what's your take on this? Best regards, Steve

11-11-2008, 08:57 AM	#2
taomation Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 97	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? If he is openly saying this, it simply means that the PTB are getting ready to try to bring their hundred or so year agenda into being. The only way a "New World Order" would be a good thing is if it were brought about by the will of the people with a spiritual and ethical motivation behind it. The Banksters of the world are neither spiritual or ethical so I would ask you to answer your own question. If you haven't already done so, I would refer you to David Icke or Alex Jones or just look up New World Order on the Internet. If I didn't know how blessed and protected I am, I would be very nervous about this. Their plans are not going to succeed...Tao

11-11-2008, 09:56 AM	#3
raulduke Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 454	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? Par for the course of course. Gordon Brown's a broken record. This ain't the first time we've heard this Steve, and i'm sure it's not the last. I'm pretty sure they know that we pick up on their phrases like "new world" this or that. My guess is that they like to see us get frazzled by openly calling for what we know is more of their creppy "secret" plans, but it sounds pretty innocent to your casual political observer. So yeah, I think its just a jab to let the informed crowd know, "Were moving forward w/ the plan." Well pardon me, but ** that, and ** them. We're moving forward w/ our plans too, and there are more of us. It's only a matter of time until we settle the score.

11-11-2008, 10:19 AM	#4
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? gordo is given script to read, not usre how much knowledge prime ministers and presidents have of the overall plan? not much id say. they are too busy in their compartmentalised boxes beavering away as instructed.. as it says (incredibly) behind the statue of roosevelt THEY (WHO) SEEK TO ESTABLISH SYSTEMS OF GOVERNMENT BASED ON THE REGIMENTATION OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS BY A HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUAL RULERS.. CALL THIS A NEW ORDER.. IT IS NOT NEW AND IT IS NOT ORDER.. type roosevelt memorial into google..

11-11-2008, 10:32 AM	#5
pineal-pilot-in merkabah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 1,153	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? .............. Last edited by pineal-pilot-in merkabah; 11-11-2008 at 10:34 AM. Reason: double post

11-11-2008, 03:04 PM	#8
borrasca2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? ...... NOTHING SPECIAL...... old bush was talking and trying it in the "80 "s........ and....????? i"m still FREE

11-11-2008, 03:21 PM	#9
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? I think we should not get too het up every time the phrase "new world order" is used. It's a bit like saying every time the world "conservative" is used it means Conservative. I read the article concerned over lunch and noted that Gordon Brown also said we should begin to think in terms of "all of us" (or words to that effect) rather than "them and us" which I thought showed that there is a global consciousness moving in that direction. Noela

11-11-2008, 03:37 PM	#10
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? There are others using what appears to me to be a similar term - The group of New World Servers. This is an Alice Bailey-type, New Age term which is bandied about. There are some who see this in terms of 'lightworkers' and others who believe this is a suspicious agenda. Personally, I think it is easy to 'react' to words and get tangled up in that reaction. In all that I have read and seen, it is possible to construct more than one meaning - much depends on the outlook of the observer.

11-11-2008, 09:39 PM	#12
isotelesis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 112	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? The "New World Order" is not a panacea, and different nations have different ideas of what it will mean, so the British idea may not be isomorphic to the Russian version. The IMF and World Bank would like to get involved, but if they do, it would be under more scrutiny and subject to a checks and balances system. It has become a multi-polar world, the world chess board is not subject to flat Euclidean rules anymore, it has moved on to Riemannian geometries. Order out of chaos is a good thing, it is more teleonomic rather than teleologic, unless they're using looking glass. Look for the factions which will inevitably arise. Out with the old and in with the new. Those who called for it in the first place may not be prepared for how our global complex system will react to it. Simulations are quite useful. Last edited by isotelesis; 11-11-2008 at 10:15 PM.

11-12-2008, 12:51 AM	#14
Allie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 161	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? Yes, I'm aware of the Lucis Trust. I'm not a fan of Mrs Bailey. I was directed to her work by a colleague who found her to be a wise and enlightened teacher. I'm afraid this wasn't quite the opinion I formed.

11-12-2008, 01:42 AM	#15
isotelesis Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 112	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? The Lucis Trust philosophy is quaint, simplistic, assumptive, fusty. A noble effort, but all too prima donna, they are secretly jealous of the spiritual awareness innately a part of many non-anglicized cultures. Eurasians have been there and done that, enough with the sterility, the Mithras, Roshaniya, Tibetans, Gnostics, Theosophists have done it before, and they did not stop there. Luciferian prometheanism is just another mythological archetype of inherently human interpolations. If God represents phase 1, Lucifer represents phase 2, Humankind as an independent self-organizing entity represents phase 3. The aristocracy of angels and demons has died. If Nietzsche's Zarathustra declared God dead, Javanbakht's Isotelesis declares Lucifer dead, intelligent conscious entities no longer require heroic idols to sacrificially justify the ultimate cause. There is no "lender of last resort", there is no free-lunch, messianic bailouts are for phase 2 thinkers. Dualism is a relic of the primitive, holism is the new beginning, sacrificial belief systems are utterly ridiculous. "You die, the earth lives"...how convenient, we love black and white, makes coercion much easier. Last edited by isotelesis; 11-12-2008 at 01:49 AM.

11-12-2008, 03:59 AM	#16
Rocky_Shorz Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,098	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? The new World order is going to be paddling around in boats if these rains keep up... anyone build an ark yet?

11-12-2008, 07:17 AM	#17
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: The New World Order is to begin. Is this a good thing? They can blab all they want and continue to think that their hare-brained attempts at scaring people will work. They're simply too late. A world that has awakened is a force that shall be unstoppable, even in the face of an elite few.