Balance- interview ex-occult members

[Kelphi]

I hear a lot about balance but what about a balanced research. If its truth you seek then see what the other side has to say.

Bill and Kerry do a lot of interviewing of mediums. I would like to see some interviewing from ex-mediums who really know who the ET's are.

Now that would be balanced.

Grace a peace,

Kelphi

[isotelesis]

Indeed one should be wary of personalities or entities which inspire cultish behavior in general, this is a two way street after all, some are simply addicted to certain energies which at first provide an exhilirating rush of insight laced with just enough corrupting poison to escape undetected but keeps them coming back for more. The UFO/Conspiracy/Occult research community is full this ultimately lethal mixture of truth and lies. If you choose to drink the kool-aid, you must be prepared to accept the fact that not all is what it seems, both sides have unique perspectives. Independence should be the highest virtue, individuality should not be abolished not matter how interconnected and holistically entangled we are, however direct spiritual experience with the universe should be held sacred. Don't get too carried away with all the sound and the fury, don't read too much into certain things, follow your intuition and don't get cut off from your higher self.

[stal]

very good idea. imo a lot of people here wouldnt be able to handle that kind of information. also you would get the argument that "they were the bad-guys, so how can anyone believe anything they say?"

(isotelesis - the occult is not the same as a cult.)


how can you truly know the light if you have never known the dark?

[isotelesis]

I was refering to cultlike behavior in general in the UFO/Conspiracy research community, not just in divinity/occult studies/practice, there is a tendency to see things in black and white in politics as well.

[dataeast]

What would constitute a "cult" though? I think it's just a slur to associate someone or a group to some undesirable definitions, none of which might be true. As an example, Christianity might call all other religions cultish, but itself operates in the same manner, so the label is relative as to how it is applied. Politics is much the same, but invariably, there is a potential truth which is lost when it's obfuscated in this manner. The alarmists and tabloids have a field day with these empty distinctions and the true definitions are lost.

[Humble Janitor]

I must admit that some of the things I've read sound too good to be true. For example, deep underground bases in the desert? How would that be possible with magma/lava and the movements of the Earth's crust? I don't believe that the Earth is hollow.

The only thing that I believe right now is that something COULD happen in 2012 and that's where I stand. I've read so many different theories that I can't even begin to put anything together.

[ABHA]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I must admit that some of the things I've read sound too good to be true. For example, deep underground bases in the desert? How would that be possible with magma/lava and the movements of the Earth's crust? I don't believe that the Earth is hollow.

The only thing that I believe right now is that something COULD happen in 2012 and that's where I stand. I've read so many different theories that I can't even begin to put anything together.

The earth crust is 4 - 25 miles thick so tunnels are real, but if crust movements
as some predict may happen, heaps of the networks will make a good expensive grave for the elite b@st...s down there.
My best idea for survival is a blow up sphere, like the ones you can climb in and roll down big hills lol. wind/sunami/tidal/poleshift/hurricane proof lol, although you could be in for one hell of a ride.
have great days crew

[dataeast]

I guess if you're going to build an underground base then it'd be in a thick section of crust in the middle of a tectonic plane, like Pine Gap.

[stal]

thats why DUMBILABs are built where they are built. thick crust. pine gap, ben boyd national park, parts of qld and western australia, etc etc. have a look at who owns all the real estate in colorado. its full of bases/bunkers, including the british royal family and tom cruise lol.

[dataeast]

Originally Posted by stal

thats why DUMBILABs are built where they are built. thick crust. pine gap, ben boyd national park, parts of qld and western australia, etc etc. have a look at who owns all the real estate in colorado. its full of bases/bunkers, including the british royal family and tom cruise lol.

Yikes, good reasons to be topside!

I guess that Tom is needed to save the day, just in case...

[stal]

lol. yeah 'cause i'm relying on tom and keanu to save us all.

*mad seguae* (i cant spell lol)

eyes wide shut is on austar right now . dataeast, to get this thread back on topic, what is your opinion of the idea to interview more ex-darksiders?

[dataeast]

Originally Posted by stal

lol. yeah 'cause i'm relying on tom and keanu to save us all.

*mad segue*

eyes wide shut is on austar right now . dataeast, to get this thread back on topic, what is your opinion of the idea to interview more ex-darksiders?

Yeah, I think it would be healthy to interview those who have been involved and no longer have "faith" in/or believe what they might have been led to think or believe. It's kind of a tricky thing because whatever we "divine" from our sources it's really interpretive unless we are only offering up an account of, say a channeled experience. Then, I'd think the channeled account and the channeler has to be tied together as an aggregate of information else it loses its perspective, so it's "so-and-so's" version of "the big idea".

The other thing is whether that message is truly a message for the "masses" or whether it's a personal message that has the touch and feel of something cosmic (symbolic). So what I mean is irrespective of their spin (good/bad or true/false), I think there is something maybe like a metaphor still in the overall message.

Even those that believe unequivocally the meaning of their experiences might be wrong, so yes I think that even those that consider themselves manipulated should be allowed a forum too. That's my heuristic mind thinking anyway.

Cheers

[dataeast]

Originally Posted by Alexandra

The definition, according to my political science courses in college is: GROUP MIND. Everyone thinks identical to the leader. This is not because they truly and naturally do but because they are enticed into the group by some internal need, then in order to remain they need not rock the boat with individuality because this destroys group thought. One miind, one thought, one goal, no growth.
Alexandra

My point was that it could apply to any group that is identified as an "enemy." by another, just as "Terrorist" is applied liberally to an "enemy" of the state. It's associated to images of terror and shaking or other notions of "the bad guys."

I consider corporate entities to follow the same indoctrination methods as the more popularly known cults.

[stal]

yeah personaly i think there are some very real gains to be made in understanding the 'other side'. imo plenty of people who think they are on the right team are being mislead anyway.

edit to add; not so much sheep as lemmings. do good intentions negate universal law?

[dataeast]

Oh yeah, personally I've had a lot of "bad" things happen to me in the past, but now I'm not sure I could call them bad anymore because it lead me to where I was supposed to go, so I'm not so quick as to cry foul anymore and generally take it as it comes.

Cheers

[dataeast]

Yeah, I think you summed it up pretty well there.

[Ashatav]

How about Bill Schnoebelen?

His lectures are really clarifying.

Look at this one: The illuminati from within part 1 and 2

In the bill deagle show went the other day a insider whistleblower who was an occultist all her life. I posted something time ago in this forum.

Cheers man