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Old 01-22-2010, 07:01 PM   #871
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Default Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi View Post
Dear Abraxas --

this thread is CRAZY!!! and i'm So Grateful to have happened on it early, before it became too unweildy. i want to thank you, AA, for hangin-in-here with us like you have -- through sun and rain and hail and hurricane and (praise the Lord!) through those ever-so-elusive balmy breezes! amidst the often laborious intellectual (and sometimes intensely emotional discussions we've had on this thread. and btw, i'd also like to thank Celine, Brooke and Mudra for giving us such lovely images .... they provided much needed refreshment -- and usually at just the appropriate moment! thank you, sisters!!

i do have some questions too.

1) did Yeshua and John-(Hebrew name??) the-Baptist study with the Essenes, as Edgar Cayce (or some other "seer") indicated? If so, it seems they grew to reject any political/militaristic agenda the Essenes may have had?

This is an excellent question hillibilli and I shall answer your questions here in some detail, as the answers relate to the core of the situation at the present time and on many levels.

The Thuban information regarding the Essenes is one of the cornerstones of our agenda.
You see the Essenes were the 'New Agers' of 2000 years ago and they propagated an earlier Egyptian-Atlantean and and even earlier Lemurian and an even earlier ET-engendered archetype.

The Essenes were very aware of the Egyptian-Hermetic legacy revolving about the decad of the Egyptian pantheon as perpetuating the 'Story of Melchizedek, King of the Shalom'.
This story tells of Abram, settling in Mamre-Heron in preparation for his 'covenant with God' {Genesis.13.16-18;14}.
In this endeavour he engages in a 'Battle with the archetypical kings' and aftrer victory becomes 'blessed' by Melchizedek as a messianic-Michael-Shiloh archetype characterizing the 'covenant' (actually a continuation of the Rainbow Covenant between Noah and God a little earlier.
Remember these are archetypes; no Noah or Abraham or Moses existed as a particular individual, but like Adam and Eve, there were many Abrahams and Moses hybrids (archetyped in Joseph-Aquarius marrying Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera, Egyptian priest of On - Genesis.41.50).

The Essenes were adept in astrology and the practices termed today 'New Age' and were experts in the utility of the Kabbalah, the esoteric-mystical part of the Judean religion, based on the Torah and the Talmud.

The cousins John BenZacharias and Yeshua BenJoseph were Essenes as were their extended families and one Joseph of Arithemea who's business were the trading routes between Judea and Egypt and the surrounding regions.
Little Yeshuah, who was gentle in temperament compared to his 'fiery' cousin John often travelled with Joseph of Arithemea into Egypt and so formed many contacts, including the place where the philosophers of the time debated and met - the library of Alexandria.
John however remined at Qumran, where both he and Yeshua received Essene tutorisations; until John began his 'messianic dispensation as Elijah' at the river Jordan in 27 AD.
Yeshuah was often in Egypt; but both knew of their 'Melchizedekian Office' and as they were informed by their Essene elders.

The 'plan' was to fulfil the original Abrahamic covenant on the 'spiritual plane' in a 'war' between the 'Sons of Light' led by Melchizedek and the 'Sons of Belial' or the Darkness'.

After the 'spiritual' war of the archetypes between the archangelic and the archdemonic 'archons' or kingdoms was won by Melchizedek; THEN the 'possessed' Pharisees and Saducees of the extroverted Torah-Talmud traditions would become 'cleansed' in introversion and then the Roman idolizing priesthoods, would revolt against the Romans and with help of the new cosmic configuration, the Romans would cease their occupation of Judea in the fulfilment of the Abrahamic-Melchizedekian covenant with the 'highest God'.

So you might discern here that little has changed 2000 years later. Most participators here are Essenes are Atlanteans are Lemurians are ETs; biut today under the labels of this or that 'spiritual value or teaching system'.

The 'Melchizedeks' and there are rather a number here on this forum, selfproclaimed or channelled or 'abducted' or 'contacted' and what not.
Well, they are all justified; but like the Essenes, their interpretation of the original and most ancient archetypes have not yet become realised, (despite their protestations of knowing better).

Well there was One who could decipher those most ancient archetypes and that was Yeshua and his codebook became the Book of Isaiah, also known as the Dragon Prophecy.

The New testament storyline is not well understood by either academic historians or the theologians (inclusive the denominations, prophets, founders etc.).
I shall not get into details here, as this is a tapestry of interconnections; but the decoding of Isaiah allowed Yeshua to 'change the archetypes' in the 'office of Melchizedek'.
As is generally known or suspected however, the exoteric manifesto of this change became the New Testament Mission of Yeshua. He alone understood this mission and he knew that, just as today, the brotherhoods of the 'serpent' would have to become polarised in extremum.
Archetypical details aside, the expected war between heaven and earth/hell would have to become internalised in Yeshua's Inner Circle with Judas Iscariot becoming the agent for the externalisation at the completion of the timeline Yeshua had worked out from Genesis, Daniel and Ezekiel under the auspices of Isaiah.

Judas so manifested the 'spiritual war' between the 'Sons of Light' and the 'Sons of Belial' not in say an armed conflict between the Romans and the Jews; but restricted the 'war' to the confrontation of the 'Outside' world of Yeshua with his 'Inside' world.

This was not was Judas Iscariot expected of course. He was convinced of Yeshua's authority and attempted to 'force the issue' for Yeshua to act as the King of Peace/Shalom.

Anyway this is another story, but I shared it because this forum here is like a copycat spiritually for this 'spiritual war' between the 'Angels andd the Demons' say.
The difference today is, that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah CAN be shared in comparison to two millennia ago, when it could not (it's in the scriptures, gnostic and synoptic and apocryphal).
So the 'Atlantean Rebellion' of the past and of the pharaoh or elected highpriest has become an 'Earth Rebellion' of today of many pharaohs and elected highpriests.
(Just count how many Isises, Maats, Thoths, Ptahs and Melchizedeks are around today, compared to yesterday. Its Ego of course, but then it is not and a higher and deeper truth as well.

2) what is the origin of the seemingly "natural," typical human revulsion to the snake and reptilian forms? i assume there may be a connection to the Eve-serpent story in Genesis, and the depiction of "monsters" as dragon-like creatures in our myths and folk-tales. but WHY were these forms chosen to-begin-with to image beings to fear and mistrust???

Here it is best for me to explain the Serpent archetype a little and the pictures and comments might help in that.

The most ancient archetype for the serpent is the (Electromagnetic) Waveform; say the hiSSSing of the Serpent as the 'Real Om' of the primordial sound.
In terms of technology, you can witness the archetype as an oscillograph, say as seen in hospital monitors of heartbeat or such.

This SINUSOIDAL WAVEFORM became associated and identified with the 'Evil Woman' not so much EVE, but LILITH the Herew Demoness or Succubi who refused to submit to Adam laying on top of her in sexual intercourse.
Lilith by John Collier; 1892 The Burnley Relief The Burnley Relief of "The Queen of the Night" about 1950BC

Note that the serpent has a woman's head and torso. Detail from Temptation, Fall, and Expulsion from Les Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry, 1411-1416. Brothers Limbourg, Franco-Flemish.
Still in dinosaur land, but the feminine characteristics Still in dinosaur land, but the feminine characteristics are down-played in this version. Detail from Original Sin (1467/8). Hugo van der Goes (c. 1440-1482). 35.5x23.2 cm. Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna.

More like a smallish dinosaur, but clearly part of the same theme park. More like a smallish dinosaur, but clearly part of the same theme park. This detail comes from a 15th century Manuscript Illumination.

Note the serpent's resemblance to the cute 'cherubim', characteristic of this period of art. Detail Note the serpent's resemblance to the cute 'cherubim', characteristic of this period of art. Detail from The Fall of Man (c. 1570). Titian (c. 1480-1576) Canvas, 240x186 cm. Prado Museum, Madrid.

By far the most famous of the Lilith-Serpent paintings. Detail from Michelangelo's Temptation and Fall from the Sistine Chapel Ceiling.
By far the most famous of the Lilith-Serpent paintings. Detail from Michelangelo's Temptation and Fall from the Sistine Chapel Ceiling.

Dragon History

And this which I have written, may be sufficient to satisfy any reasonable man that there are winged serpents and dragons in the world.

Edward Topsell, 1658

Humans and dragons have lived in proximity to one another for a million years or more. It was probably on the African plains that the earliest humans first learned about the use of fire for cooking food by watching dragons. However, we have very little knowledge or information about these early encounters. However, we have very little knowledge or information about these early encounters.

We do know that by the time of the early Egyptian period a considerable dragon- and serpent-worshipping cult had developed. This cult gradually spread to Babylon, India, the Orient, the Pacific Islands, and finally the North American continent, as more and more cultures began to recognize and appreciate the special powers and intelligence of dragons. The cult reached its peak during the days of the Roman Empire and disappeared with the advent of Christianity.

Gradually the concept of a mother goddess, often in serpent form, was replaced with a father figure that was distinctly anti-dragon.

Dragons were especially common in the mountains of Scandinavia. One of the most feared of the early Nordic dragons was named Nidhoggr, or the "dread biter. " He lived for thousands of years and was believed to have spent most of that time gnawing at the root of the universal tree of life, a gigantic ash tree that supported all the living realms.

But most of the dragons of Scandinavian lore were large aquatic creatures that lived off the coasts among the swirling waters. It was said that these aquatic dragons, or Krakens, lifted their enormous heads and long necks out of the water to seize sailors right off their ships.Much of the supposed violence caused by the Scandinavian dragons, however, has been confused with that wreaked by the plundering Vikings, who usually placed a dragon's head on the figureheads of their great ships. Their victims believe that an actual dragon had come to destroy them. The viking warriors plundered and pillage over much of the northern lands.

Thus, as on numerous occasions, dragons were blamed for the evils that mankind had brought upon itself.

Dragons were believed by the Greeks to be great sources of knowledge and wisdom and were considered sacred creatures with oracular abilities by both Greeks and Romans. Small non-venomous snakes were commonly kept in Roman households, where they no doubt kept the mouse and rat population in check and they were called dracunculi, or little dragons.

Treated as pets, they slept in various nooks and crannies and were fed at the table like dogs or cats. Serpents were to be found at shrines, where they transmitted their great wisdom through the mouths of priestesses. Python was the name of one such serpent-dragon, which guarded the shrine at Delphi until Apollo killed him.

Another dragon, named Ladon, faithfully guarded a tree of golden apples (perhaps a clutch of golden eggs) that belonged to Hera, and the apples contained the secrets of knowledge and immortality. One of the many tasks of Hercules was to kill this dragon and bring back a few of the apples to King Eurystheus.It is from this encounter that we can place the popular image of dragons as the guardians of great treasures and the custodians of forbidden knowledge. The great battle between Ladon (or Draco) and Hercules is forever enshrined in the constellations of the northern skies, where Hercules may be seen trying to step on the dragon's head.Unfortunately, the story is told a little differently in the Old Testament In this version, the "dragon"-the serpent-did not guard the tree of life and knowledge but slyly tempted Eve to eat the apples, resulting in the expulsion of both Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. Thanks to Genesis, the dragon serpent became the symbol of temptation, and humans, recalling other legends of the dragon's destructiveness, were provided with ample excuse to seek out and kill every dragon in the land.

Dragons soon disappeared from Greek and Roman homes and oracles, and were no longer available for transmitting their wisdom to those who wanted to learn from them. The total decay of the Greek and Roman civilizations followed inexorably. For many centuries thereafter, as the Dark Ages descended on Europe, dragons were greatly feared.

Fortune seekers, vainly hunting for the treasures of gold that they thought the dragons guarded, sought out breeding weyrs and stole dragon eggs, and many a knight tried to impress his girlfriend by slaying a dragon or two.DRAGON SLAYERS OF MEDIEVAL TIMES

One of the earliest known dragon slayers was the warrior Siegfried (in the Teutonic version), or Sigurd (Scandinavian version), who lived so long ago that the facts of his dragon-battle are greatly muddled. Some people believe that he slew the dragon Fafnir to rescue a captive maiden, in other accounts he was simply looking for treasure. Some centuries earlier, in England, Beowulf took on a similar dragon but was fatally wounded in the resulting battle. Clearly, the weapons and methods used by these early warriors were not always equal to the task.

The first really epic battle between man and dragon that comes down to us in any detail is that of Saint George. He lived before the time of Constantine and was probably born in Palestine. During one of his travels, he came to the city of Silene (or Sisena) in Libya. There he learned of a dragon, living in a nearby lake, that was reputedly raiding neighboring pastures and eating the sheep. After all the sheep had disappeared, the townspeople found it necessary to offer up all their children to the dragon, until only the daughter of the king remained.

By the time George arrived on the scene, even the king's daughter had been bound up and was about to be offered to the creature. Without delay the good knight attacked the surprised dragon with his lance. He quickly bound the dragon up with the princess's girdle. He led the cowering beast back to the city, where he killed it by slicing off its head in a single blow, in view of the entire populace. In spite of this good deed, George eventually came to an unhappy end. According to some accounts, he tore down and impulsively stamped on an edict that had been issued by the Roman Emperor Diocletian, for this foolhardy act he was arrested and eventually put to death. Others said, that he was decapitated by the emperor of Persia for trying to convert the emperor's wife to Christianity. Clearly he didn't have the good sense to stay away from the wives and daughters of royalty, and he was probably not greatly missed until he was made a saint some centuries later. In 349 he was even made the patron saint of England. He was also given honorary, if posthumous citizenship there, since it had by then been decided that he had actually been born in Coventry.

In the sixteenth century, Pope Clement VII decreed that George had not been completely truthful about his dragon-killing stories, and the pope decided to eliminate all mention of dragons from St George's official biography. More recently, poor George was even de-canonized, and the arguments over which cathedral actually possesses his head and other bodily parts have gradually diminished.

Not nearly so well known as George was another dragon killer of the Dark Ages by the name of Gerolde. He acquired during his lifetime a large and faithful following of people eager to hear of his dragon-slaying exploits. For many years he roamed the countryside seeking dragons and other evil creatures, speaking out against them, and burning any books that mentioned dragons or their kin.He was eventually made a knight and was dubbed Gerolde-the-Good, because of his obvious piety. His minions formed what was probably the first fan club in history and referred to themselves as the pious multitude, whose major goal was to seek out and destroy sin in all of its many forms. The first dragon that Gerolde slew was a relatively small one only about twenty feet long) that he managed to surprise one day while dressed in his shiniest suit of armor and riding his charger. Without a thought for his own safety, he attacked the beast. The reflections of the sun off shiny armor dazzled the dragon, and before it could retaliate, it found itself fatally impaled on Gerolde's long lance. Gerolde was immediately hailed as the greatest of all dragon killers, and he was swamped with requests to speak before civic groups and to clear dragons out of various strongholds. He traveled about the land with his entourage and was offered rich presents and rewards for his good deeds. Among these were numerous brightly colored silk garlands and ribbons, which well wishers begged he would attach to his lance or his helmet for good fortune. Finally, Gerolde had the clever idea of making an entire multicolored jacket of these ribbons, which he could slip over his armored suit. He was immediately transformed into a flag like vision of blue, white, red, and green. Shortly thereafter, clad in his colorful garment, he encountered a large dragon and attacked it with full confidence in his invulnerability. This time, the jacket effectively hid the reflective armor, and clouds hid the sun. The dragon, upon being attacked, released a vast amount of fire, incinerating Gerolde on the spot. His followers were badly shaken by this turn of events but nevertheless recovered his charred remains and returned to town. He was buried in a nearby cathedral with all possible honors. On his grave a simple epitaph was engraved in Latin, which in translation reads "Never wrap yourself in a flag when you go forth to slaya dragon.


By the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the Renaissance, a
goodly number of dragon slayers had hacked their way into history, and
many had been made saints in the process. The killing of dragons had
become one of the few suitable ways of performing heroic acts of warfare and aggression and to be rewarded with fame, fortune, and sainthood.

3) AA -- i'm trying to remember/grasp what you've told us about the fact that you exist inter- or intra-dimensionally ..... in some different way than most of us 3d mortals at this time. i may not be wording this question very intelligently, since i get my dimensions mixed up with my densities and my 12-D Thubans confused with my 3-D Thuban-Dragon-messengers! but ..... for example ...... when you went searching for your daughter, did you do this during sleep visiting the astral plane of Gaia. or can you function on this plane and another at the same time, consciously in both(e.g., not asleep)?? perhaps you can intuitively figure out what i'm asking you, Abrax, cause i fear i'm making a mess of it! whatever insight you can share with my feeble 3d brain, i'll appreciate! (but please no advanced mathematics!

You are as much in 12D Dragonspace as any Thubanite is hillibilli. Trust your 3D Thuban messengers they are from your inner self in the 12th dimension of the Void - the Great Abyss of the Dragonian Eternity.

When I searched for my daughter Deborah in the 'Land of the Dead' during my NDE, I was fully lucid and conscious there. I analysed texture for solidity, geographical structure and time aspects in my conversations making it clear that I had left the 3D incarnational state.
I even hoped this to be so, but was unsure of me being allowed to stay there. I didn't know until a 'dread' engulfed me to render me agai in the incarnational state.

thanks again, AA, for your faithfullness to all of us here, and thanks too to all the other brave and faithful souls who have accompanied us on this roller-coaster ride!!! i sincerely hope you're sleeping blissfully now ..... no matter which plane, density, or dimension(s) you may be inhabiting at the moment.

My task here includes to be a metaphorical 'Wailing Wall', like the wall of Jerusalem, where the most orthodox believers in the proper loving good can bash their heads against this wall in expectation of their deliverances.
The question the becomes who the 'unorthodox' rebels or gnostics or heretics are, but I shall not elaborate about this at this time.
Everything is in order hillibilli - the mirror of the illusions has not yet been shattered in the raising of the beast out of the sea in Revelation.13.1.

with love & gratitude as ever,

Thank you for a most important question asked dear hippihillbobbi.

My Dragon Code of Honour to You!

Abraxas Anthony
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