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Old 01-21-2010, 02:54 PM   #742
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Default Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

Originally Posted by abraxasinas View Post
Hi Uncle John!

A little Egyption History and Mythology is appropriate.

[Robert Sceptico and Logan Antico meet in the cafe 'Solaris', near the Conference Hall on campus of New Alexandria University.
They had both just attended a symposium on the relevance of mythos to the paradigm of modern scientific thought and analysis.]

Logan Antico: "Did you not think that the talk by the Egyptian Mythology specialist has relevance to our science and its modus operandi, Robert?
The Egyptian doggod and 'Guide of the Dead', Anubis, is known as the 'Khaibit' or Shadow.
He's the jackal-headed statue atop the sarcophagi and the watchdog to the entombed mummies."

Robert Sceptico: "Well, one can superimpose a scientific meaning onto the written hieroglyphic encodings, I guess.
I did find the poetic riddle, ascribed to the Ibisgod Thoth interesting though.
Thoth is known as Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom to the Greeks and the Egyptians and is renown as the founder of alchemy, the old ancestral chemistry.
And his symbol is the Caduceus; the symbol of the medical profession as the 'Staff of Healing' of the Greek physician Aesculapius, modelled on the Egyptian healer-priest Imhotep and the god Nefertum, son of the 'masonic God' Ptah and his wife Sekhmet at the capital of Memphis.
The Caduceus has two serpents, one white and one black, intertwining in the infinity symbol around the staff; it's also the 'Serpent Rod' of Aaron and Moses, coded in Exodus.7.10-15.
Our practising doctors have lost one of the serpents in their medical history - to image their opposition to holistic principles, which they consider unscientific, I suppose."

Robert Sceptico: "There is even a western tradition of initiation, which draws upon this partial understanding of the ancient covenant as coded in the scrolls of antiquity.
The concepts of freemasonry for instance draw much upon the Egyptian wisdom scrolls of the Ibis-God Thoth and its companion of the Architect-Bull-God Apis-Ptah, both in league with the old Sun-God Ra, centred as the Family of Ra in the Egyptian capitol city of Memphis at the time of the 'Old Kingdom' say the 3rd to 6th dynasties from 2750 BC to 2255 BC and encompassing pharaohs such as Zoser, Khufu and Pepi.

The centralised Egyptian government had collapsed by about 2230 BC of the 7th and 8th dynasties in an intermediate period and the gain of political importance by nonroyal administrators saw a shift from the Egyptian capital from Memphis to Heracleopolis in dynasties 9 and 10 and then to Thebes in the 'Middle Kingdom' of dynasties 11 to 13 and the period from about 2134 to 1668 BC.
Pharaoh Mentuhotep II succeeded to 'reunify' Egypt about 2047 BC and the 12th dynasty king Amenemhet reestablished Memphis as a capital and the Family of Ra was renamed as the Family of Amon-Ra, after the pharaohic lineages.

The biblical time of Joseph is placed into the reign of Amenhetep, with Joseph's '17th birthday' in 1976 BC, coded in Genesis.37.2 and the sojourn of 'Jacob' (like Joseph as quasihistorical figure), can be dated as Jacob's '130th birthday' to 1954 BC and his 'death' at 1937 BC, (Genesis.47.9,28).

A 'golden age' of Egyptian art, literature and architecture ended when invaders from Palestine, often called 'shepherd kings of Hyksos' assumed foreign rulership over the eastern delta from their capital Avaris and spanning the 14th to 18th dynasties from 1720 BC to 1570 BC; when Ahmose I finally subdued the Hyksos in Egypt's reunification and to end the Hyksos interlude.
The 18th dynasty then began the 'New Kingdom', which would last until 1070 BC and encircles the biblical characters of Moses and Aaron and Joshua.
The birth of Aaron and Moses under the Theban unification of Horemheb is dated at 1322 and 1319 BC respectively, coded in Exodus.2.4,14; Numbers.33.38-39 and Deuteronomy.34.7., with 1279 BC as the 390th year of the Egyptian captivity and 40 years in the wilderness of Sinai ending 1199 BC.

In 1669 BC, the 'Egyptian bondage' for the 'Children of Israel' began and would last for 430 years until the Exodus in 1239 BC under pharaoh Ramses II, ruling from 1291 BC to 1224 BC in the 19th dynasty.
During the 18th dynasty, Amenhotep III, who reigned from 1386 to 1349 BC renamed the sungod Ra as Aton and his son Amenhotep IV, reigning from 1349 BC to 1334 BC, abandoned the capital Thebes for Akhetaton, renamed himself Ikhnaton (or Akhenaton, meaning Aton is satisfied) and with his queen Nefertiti sought to instigate a monotheistic religion as the first historical figure to do so.
The religious reformation was shortlived however, with Ikhnaton's son Tutankhamen returning the capital to Thebes and returning to the old rituals of the priests who had fought any attempts to undermine the authority of the God Amon and his polytheistic following.
But Ikhnaton's 'One God' represented a religious revolution in proclaiming Aton to be the one and only true God; a legacy of the idea and story of 'Joseph's God' who helped Joseph's notoriety as a capable 'interpreter of dreams', coded in Genesis.40.5-23; 41.1-46."

Logan Antico: "This would have been the Egyptian form of gnosis, the 'Teacher of Righteousness' in the form of Thoth transmuting into Hermes Trismegistos in parallel with Amon-Ra becoming the 'One true God'
of Ikhnaton and Nefertiti and absorbing the qualities of Thoth and Ptah in the process.
The symbol of freemasonry are the encircled 'Mason's Tools', which are associated with the hieroglyphic 'cartouche' of the 'Ren' or name of Ptah as the archetype for Ra as the universal spirit Atum or Aton, which had built and created the universe.
And so the Western esoteric traditions are attempting to play the role of 'Joseph in Egypt' as the cosmic 'Teacher of Righteousness' initiating the ones, who are able to guard and wisely use the knowledge of the true understanding."

Robert Sceptico: "Furthermore, Ptah is said to have been married to Sekhmet, who was a lionheaded goddess and the daughter of Ra as the symbolic right or solar eye of Ra; the lunar left eye being the 'all seeing
eye' of Horus, who in the third generation of the Egyptian family of gods married Sekhmet as the bullheaded goddess Hathor, symbolised by a mirror.
Originally, Ra or Atum thought of himself as righteyed as herself and in using a mirror, he created an image in the lefteyed serpent Apep, who refused to play any games with his image as himself however.
In his displeasure, Ra threw his right solar eye at Apep, who had to image this in his left lunar eye.
But this allowed a second generation as the twinship of lefteyed Shu and righteyed Tefnut in the Egyptian Lion of Truth to become born in a release of creative energy of reproduction and through Ra masturbating to release his seed in her as Apep's image and so fertilising the SkyEarth.
The righteyed Geb became the Earth and the lefteyed Nut became the lifted Sky and then they created the third generation in the lefteyed Osiris and the righteyed Isis, doubled in a mirrored twinship in the righteyed Set and the lefteyed Nephthys.
The fourth generation so could intermarry for genetic variablity in the doubled twinship.
Osiris, as the Djed or 'Tree of Life' became an archetype for the number 1 as the Khu or 'Spirit' and Isis became the number 2 as the Ab or the 'Throne of the Heart'.

Their children became numbers 3 and 4 as the righteyed Horus of the 'All Seeing Eye' and the 'Spiritual Body' of the Sahu; and the lefteyed Bast or Pasht of the 'Sistrum' in the Ba of the 'Soul'.
Now Set and Nephthys also had a child in Anubis, the Khaibit or Shadow of the Jackal-headed 'Opener of the Way' and the 'Guide of the Dead; but the story goes, that the fatherhood of Anubis is in dispute.
Osiris is said to have had a loveaffair with both of his 'sisters' Isis and Nephthys to reproduce his own lefteyedness in a son to an also lefteyed mother.

And so Anubis was born, knowing that he was lefteyed after his mother Nephthys, but he was initially confused because he could not image the righteyedness of his supposed father Set, there was an uncleanliness about his image as the image of his father, imaging the lefteyedness
of his father's brother Osiris.
Anubis was like a shadow between the right eye imaging the left as well as the other way around.
But as Anubis pondered his origins, he came across his grandparents testimony and it dawned upon him, that the ever repeating generations of the cleanly sexed oneeyednesses could be made impure in stopping the generations going on and on infinitely.
Anubis went to his grandparents and asked them if they would be willing to extend the fourth generation in archetypical blueprint and they agreed and their parents agreed also.
And so righteyed Geb became renamed as Tehuti or Thoth as the number 5 and as the Ibis or 'Mind' and symbolised in the Caduceus, as the 'Lord of Time', 'Keeper of the Akashic Records', Scribe to the Gods' and 'Patron of the Healers'.
Anubis' lefteyed grandmother Nut became the archetypical number 6 as Maat, symbolised in a 'White Feather of Truth', given to her by her mother Tefnut, renamed as the stargoddess Seshat; because she had existed before the Sky was born as Nut and the Earth was born as Geb.
Now the legacy of Seshat was the right solar eye of Tefnut and Seshat could now give that legacy to her granddaughter Maat in a renaming of lefteyed Maat as the righteyed Sekhmet.
And so the Sekhem or 'Power' was given to the hieroglyph of the number 6 and the symbol of the mirror, reflecting the right eye in the left eye and vice versa.
Now righteyed Thoth could relate as archetypical brother to lefteyed Osiris and righteyed Set and lefteyed Maat could relate as archetypical sister to righteyes Isis and lefteyed Nephthys.
Righteyed Horus was however matched with his lefteyed twinsister Bast and lefteyed Anubis had no righteyed companion whatsoever.

And Anubis found the key in the testimony of his greatgrandparents Shu and Tefnut, the leonine twinship of the Egyptian Truth.
After the SkyEarth of Shu and the EarthSky of Tefnut had been created by Ra's seed in his imagination; the righteyed Tefnut and the lefteyed Shu were as one and Ra decreed that they could not reproduce to be separated yet again as he had been before he had created the heshe-shehe duality in one; that is a circle of 360 days could not be broken any more in the linearity of the serpent Apep.

But righteyed Ra had looked at lefteyed Apep in the commonly created righteyed-lefteyed ShuTefnut mirror and they both had seen a righteyed Thoth and a lefteyed Maat as their potential grandchildren in the mirror.
And righteyed Thoth was willing to play a game of checkers chess with Ra, imagining to be the image of the image as a lefteyed goddess of the mirror, also known as Hathor or Athyr, and being the 'Goddess of Beauty and Love' and the 'Patroness of Womanhood' in Ra's imagination.
And Ra fell madly in love with his own imagination as herself as Hathor and so both, the solar right eye of the day and the lunar left eye of the night became extended as one part in 72 or 10 degrees in 360 degrees in a new cycle, and those five days allowed Geb and Nut to be born as the children of Shu and Tefnut, separated from the oneness of the 360 degrees for five days and five nights."

Logan Antico: "And exactly this is coded in the bible as a mysterious passage noone, to my knowledge, has ever deciphered in a logical correspondence to the facts:
Isaiah.38.7-8: "And this shall be a sign unto thee from the LORD, that the LORD will do this thing that he has spoken;
Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sundial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward.
So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down."

Then Ahaz is symbolised by the sungod Ra, for AHAZ=1+8+1+26=36=18+18=RR=GOD+10 and 10 times 36 being the closure of the circle again."

Robert Sceptico: "A nice example for how the mythologies of ancient Egypt are found in the bible, if one can only decode the mysterious passages through omniscience.
And Ra is Yahwhey the God of the Hebrews, just as it is the God of Ikhnaton and Nefertiti.

But 10 children became born, five for the day and five for the night, all together constituting a new creation; the first five children being Osiris with Isis and Set with Nephthys and an archetype, who could combine the duality of right and left in one.
This mutation is the Egyptian Christ in a starborn Horus, who can be said to be in the womb of Isis, before she became pregnant by Osiris.
And there you have the continuity of the ten archetypes in Hathor becoming the lefteyed number 6 relative to the righteyed Horus as the number 3.
Bast as the lefteyed archetypical number 4 becomes the lovematch for a righteyed Anubian image,
who as the 'Shadow' perfectly mirrors the duality of the number 6 as the archetype of the number 9.
The number 7 is then taken by Nephthys as the 'Sacred Chalice', containing the seeds of both the lefteyed Osiris and the righteyed Set to bring forth the 'Shadow' of the 'Starborn Horus' in the Sahu of the 'Spiritual Body'; the 'Physical Body' or Khat, being the archetypical number 10=1+0 in Set. The lefteyed 'Doubleseeded Soul' of Nephthys then is known as the Ka.
The five shadows for Osiris, Isis, Nephthys, Set and Horus so become Geb/Thoth, Nut/Maat/Bast, Tefnut/Sekhmet, Shu/Ptah and Anubis in the order specified.
The righteyed Stargoddess Seshat as Tefnut is matched to the lefteyed Ptah as Shu in the undifferentiated SkyEarth, manifesting as righteyed Sekhmet and lefteyed Ptah in the Memphian Family.
Righteyed Sekhmet becomes lefteyed Hathor in relationship with righteyed Horus, who is also represented as lefteyed Ptah through his 'starborn' status and doubling the archetypical number 6 in a bisexuality reflected in the Anubian number 9.
The righteyed Anubis is matched to lefteyed Bast in archetypes 9 and 4; and the lefteyed Anubis is matched to righteyed Seshat via the twoeyed 'starsisterbrother' Sekhmet-Anubis in the mirror of 69.
Sekhmet's 6 interchanges with Hathor's 6 in Seshat's 6 and matches in the righteyed Horus coupling with the lefteyed Hathor and lefteyed Horus coupling with righteyed Sekhmet in 3 and in 6.
The lefteyed Anubis so becomes the 'real shadow' for the 'unreal' lefteyed Horus and the 'real shadow' of 'unreal' righteyed Anubis becomes the lefteyed Horus in the mirror of the 69=96.
Merging the 'starry twinships' then results in a twoeyed Horus lovematched to a twoeyed Hathor-Sekhmet and Anubis matched to a twoeyed Seshat-Bast.
The righteyed Anubis is also the righteyed Thoth and the lefteyed Bast is also the lefteyed Maat.
Ptah is the archetypical number 8 and the hieroglyphic Ren or 'Name' as the Logos or Word of Christ and the 'Amen' of the Egyptian pharaohs."

Logan Antico: "This is the number-letter code in some hieroglyphic form; say you define the archetypical number 6 in a right-left-right, or even-odd-even sequence in: Sekhmet*-Hathor-Sekhmet=24-15-6; then you can define the archetypes in resonating letters of the alphabet; here in X-O-F.
The highest frequency is a unified principle in a 'stargoddess' say as 24 in the symbol for the Egyptian Ankh or Cross in 24=15+9=2+4=1+5=6 and the number 15 becoming a starsymbol for Sirius, associated with Hathor's mirror say and the numeral 6 representing the named goddesses in its archetype."

Robert Sceptico: "Indeed, and you find the reason for the continuing Egyptian mythology, which tells the story of Set becoming jealous of his brother Osiris's popularity with the Egyptians as a God of fertility and of
being the God of the Spirit or Khu; Set being the God of the Body or Khat.
So Set, with 72 companions builds a box or sarcophagus as a pretend gift for Osiris and invites his brother to a banquet in his honour; during which Set asks Osiris to lay in the sarcophagus to see if it fits his size.
When in the sarcophagus, Set shut the coffer's lid and threw it into the Nile, where Osiris drowned; and his corpse was carried to Byblos, where the lamenting Isis found it near a tamarisk tree and then brought it back into Egypt.
Set then cut Osiris into 14 pieces and caused all the pieces to be spread around Egypt."


You have left out the most important parts in much of this "history".
Least we not forget what Isis did when she brought Osiris back? And the full story of of how she did it? Because that IS what should be focused on when these stories are recounted.

This is a very watered down, and slanted version of Egyptian history in my opinion.
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