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Old 01-17-2010, 12:17 PM   #574
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Originally Posted by Firstlook View Post
Hello Abraxas,

How are you doing? Good I hope.

I wanted to ask you about a dream I had when I was around 4 or 5 years old. In this dream there was nothing. Meaning I felt myself in a vastness of empty space. The color of this vastness was black and all that i could see, hear, feel. was my own voice/consciousness. I remember waking up crying because for some reason i had the feeling that it was what death was. I ran to my father telling him i didnt want to die. lol.

What do you think an experience/dream like that represents?

Thank you

I am doing fine dear firstlook; flitting about between the physical realities of the 3rd space dimension and the 4th, the one you call your dreamworld.

Your experience of the darkness was most profound.
You experienced a glimpse of what the Creator (as You) experienced before a physical universe in space and time existed.

From the Creator's Agony of having no reference point and no concept of memory and no experience; the analogy of the 'Infinite ComputerLoop' 'breaking' into linearity was born.

In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

Greetings from the Den of the Serpents! The little serpent, also known in physical terms as octonionised heterotic superstring class HE(8x8) and manifesting the physical universe in spacetime parameters in the instanton of Now-Time almost 20 Billion years ago in linearised time-reckonings; has a brother called Seth.

This Serpent Seth represents a particular unifying 'Energy of Consciousness' and can be described as a 'Source Code' associated with the human histories.
I shall give brief commentary on some of Seth's wisdom sayings:

As emissiary from the 'Little One'; I shall address in the first persona of the former.
"All That Is [God] vibrates with desire. The denial of desire will
bring you only listlessness. Those who deny desire are the most smitten
by it."

--Seth, Sess 800, _Nature of the Psyche_

""Well said, dear Myself! Indeed, thus is the 'great fallacy' of the buddhist - denying the DESIRE and the PASSIONS.
For the 'Greatest Desire' can also become the desire for the Nirvana - the state of blissful ignorance about the SEPARATION. So we are back in the Garden of Eden and the State of the Human childhood in regards to the mentality.
The SEPARATION is prerequisite for the UNITY - without Separation, say the 'act of making love in passions', no reunification is possible within the contexts of space and time.

The 'Little Serpent' is also a ROOSTER, created from its own imagination and not from an Egg.
So the 'imaginary code' of the DNA preceded the materialising 'software' of the RNA and the primeaval cellular ovum.
Here is a hitherto unknown Mesopotamian archetype for this story:

"There once was this male old devil, who lost one of his balls, one of his testicles.
The testicular egg fell upon the earth and landed in a swamp, where Maria Basra, the old hagtoad found it and sat upon it to hatch it.
When the time was ripe, a Cockatrice came out of the egg, with a serpent's tail and the head of a rooster.
The Cockatrice, being the offspring of the old devil, and knowing that it had fallen to earth by misadventure, sought for a way to return into the kingdom of its father, but couldn't find one.
So the Cockatrice became very frustrated with its existence and when it had grown bigger, it ate its own adopted mother in the old hagtoad Maria Basra.

But then something strange happened to the body of the Cockatrice; it started to divide into two.
The headpart grew a tail and the tailpart grew a head and the headpart became a hen out of the rooster's head and the tailpart became a rooster out of the serpent's tail.
And so were the first rooster and hen born from the Cockatrician testicle of the old devil and the old hagtoad Maria Basra."

But there is a coded twist to the moral of that fabled story.
An anagram for MARIA BASRA is ABRAM SARAI, the ancestor for the starhuman race in three of the major worldwide religions.
Islam, Judaism and Christianity; all consider Abram and Sarai, later renamed from their human identities as Abraham and Sarah in their starhuman potential, as the beginning in their genealogies, their lineages written in blood.

So the gnostic interpretation of the myth is that half of the creator got lost in its creation and that is symbolised by the testicular egg.Then the big old creation, which is lost in itself as a female principle, nurtures something new in the form of the old hagtoad hatching the little old creation into a little new creation.
This little new creation is however unable to become a big new creation, because it desires to become the big old creation in whom it already finds itself and so is already part of.
It tries to eat the big old creation to become the same, but in the process it metamorphoses and becomes an ancestor for the big new creation, just as told in the story of Abraham and Sarah in the scroll of the Genesis.
So the creation of Abraham and Sarah in a renaming of the old, is like a prototypical 'heavenly wedding', later manifesting in their descendants of the sondaughters as the bridegrooms and in the daughtersons as the brides in the dragonomies of the 'New Jerusalem' and as coded in the scroll of 'John's Revelation'.
The joining of Abraham and Sarah in Mind and in Body, to become Two, but being One, then brings the lost devil's egg back to god's serpentine sperm in a w(holly) unitary symmetry of a dragonomy."

""This is the story then to illuminate the following excerpts from below in regards to the PASSION and the AGONY of the NONBEINGS.
The key is the key of the remembrance of SELF.
And I, the 'Little Serpent' remember myself THROUGH and BY the remembrances of my children, the 'Little Serpents' residing within the 'Image-Gestalts' of what renders 'All Things' ALIVE - many have called those things the 'Scattered Souls' of the Sephirotic Tree of Life and the 'Sparks of All That Is' and many other labels.


Brother Seth, the Agony of the UNCREATED is reflected in the Pain of the Birthing of the New from the Old.

And the most potent medicine is the CREATIVITY pursued in the TRUE IMAGE of MYSELF as ALL THAT IS!

Thank you Seth, for a agency well understood and now nearing its completion!""

From "The God Concept" chapter of _The Seth Material_ by Jane Roberts:

..."The purpose is, quite simply, being as opposed to nonbeing. I am
telling you what I know, and there is much I do not know. I know that
help must be given one to the other, and that extension and expansion are
aids to being.

"Now--and this will seem like a contradiction in terms--there is
nonbeing. It is a state, not of nothingness, but a state in which
probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked
from expression.

"Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was
such a state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity
and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.

"This is the lesson that All Thit Is had to learn, and that could not be
taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and
its reflection is still seen."

Seth uses the word "God" sparingly, usually when speaking to students who
are used to thinking in theological terms. As a rule, he speaks of "All
That Is" or "Primary Energy Gestalts."

"Some of this discussion is bound to be distorted, because I must explain
it to you in terms of time as you understand it. So I will speak, for
your benefit, of some indescribably distant past in which these events

"All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant
impetus--in your terms--toward renewed creativity. Each self,
as a part of All That Is, therefore also retains memory of that state. It
is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with the
impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not
enough that All That Is, as a primary consciousness gestalt, desires
further being, but that each portion of It also carries this

"Yet the agony itself was used as a means, and the agony itself served as
an impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the
means to be.

"If--and this is impossible--all portions but the most minute last 'unit'
of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the
smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is
protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create.

"When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position within It.
All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more
to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It
may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly
searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary
dilemma when It could not express Itself.

"It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago
that It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still
another Primary which has--again, in your terms--long since gone Its way.
So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known
anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that
within this system of our All That Is, creation continues and
developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of
which we are unaware, the same is true.

"The first state of agonized search for expression may have represented
the birth throes of All That Is as we know It. Pretend, then, that you
possessed within yourself the knowledge of au the world's masterpieces in
sculpture and art, that they pulsed as realities within you, but that you
had no physical apparatus, no knowledge of how to achieve them, that
there was neither rock nor pigment nor source of any of these, and you
ached with the yearning to produce them. This, on an infinitesimally
small scale, will perhaps give you, as an artist [this was addressed to
Rob, of course], some idea of the agony and impetus that was felt.

"Desire, wish, and expectation rule all actions and are the basis for all
realities. Within All That Is, therefore, the wish, desire, and
expectation of creativity existed before all other actuality. The
strength and vitality of these desires and expectations then became in
your terms so insupportable that All That Is was driven to find the means
to produce them.

"In other words, All That Is existed in a state of being, but without the
means to find expression for Its being. This was the state of agony of
which I spoke. Yet it is doubtful that without this 'period' of
contracted yearning, All That Is could concentrate Its energy
sufficiently enough to create the realities that existed in probable
suspension within It.

"The agony and the desire to create represented Its proof of Its own
reality. The feelings, in other words, were adequate proof to All That Is
that It was.

"At first, in your terms, all of probable reality existed as nebulous
dreams within the consciousness of All That Is. Later, the unspecific
nature of these 'dreams' grew more particular and vivid. The dreams
became recognizable one from the other until they drew the conscious
notice of All That Is. And with curiosity and yearning, All That Is paid
more attention to Its own dreams.

"It then purposely gave them more and more detail, and yearned toward
this diversity and grew to love that which was not yet separate from
itself. It gave consciousness and imagination to personalities while they
still were but within Its dreams. They also yearned to be actual.

"Potential individuals, in your terms, had consciousness before the
beginning or any beginning as you know it, then. They clamored to be
released into actuality, and All That Is, in unspeakable sympathy, sought
within Itself for the means.

"In Its massive imagination, It understood the cosmic multiplication of
consciousness that could not occur within that framework. Actuality was
necessary if these probabilities were to be given birth. All That Is saw,
then, an infinity of probable, conscious individuals, and foresaw all
possible developments, but they were locked within It until It found the

"This was in your terms a primary cosmic dilemma, and one with which It
wrestled until All That It Was was completely involved and enveloped
within that cosmic problem.

"Had It not solved it, All That Is would have faced insanity, and there
would have been, literally, a reality without reason and a universe run

"The pressure came from two sources: from the conscious but still
probable individual selves who found themselves alive in a God's dream,
and from the God who yearned to release them.

"On the other hand, you could say that the pressure existed simply on the
part of the God since the creation existed within Its dream, but such
tremendous power resides in such primary pyramid gestalts that even their
dreams are endowed with vitality and reality.

"This, then, is the dilemma of any primary pyramid gestalt. It creates
reality. It also recognized within each consciousness the massive
potential that existed. The means, then, came to It. It must release the
creatures and probabilities from Its dream.

"To do so would give them actuality. However, it also meant 'losing' a
portion of Its own consciousness, for it was within that portion that
they were held in bondage. All That Is had to let go. While It thought of
these individuals as Its creations, It held them as a part of Itself and
refused them actuality.

"To let them go was to 'lose' that portion of Itself that had created
them. Already It could scarcely keep up with the myriad probabilities
that began to emerge from each separate consciousness. With love and
longing It let go that portion of Itself, and they were free. The psychic
energy exploded in a flash of creation.

"All That Is, therefore, 'lost' a portion of Itself in that creative
endeavor. All That Is loves all that It has created down to the least,
for It realizes the dearness and uniqueness of each consciousness which
has been wrest from such a state and at such a price. It is triumphant
and joyful at each development taken by each consciousness, for this is
an added triumph against that first state, and It revels and takes joy in
the slightest creative act of each of Its issues.

"It, of Itself and from that state, has given life to infinities of
possibilities. From its agony, It found the way to burst forth in
freedom, through expression, and in so doing gave existence to
individualized consciousness. Therefore is It rightfully jubilant. Yet
all individuals remember their source, and now dream of All That Is as
All That Is once dreamed of them. And they yearn toward that immense
source . . . and yearn to set It free and give It actuality through their
own creations.

"The motivating force is still All That Is, but individuality is no
illusion. Now in the same way do you give freedom to the personality
fragments within your own dreams and for the same reason. And you create
for the same reason, and within each of you is the memory of that primal
agony--that urge to create and free all probable consciousness into

"I have been sent to help you, and others have been sent through the
centuries of your time, for as you develop you also form new dimensions,
and you will help others.

"These connections between you and All That Is. can never be severed, and
Its awareness is so delicate and focused that Its attention is indeed
directed with a prime creator's love to each consciousness.

"This session needs reading many times, for there are implications not at
first obvious."

In other words, the whole frame of reality according to Seth includes far
more than reincarnation and development within the physical system that
we know. We have many sessions dealing with the nature of other
realities, and sessions on "cosmology" that can't be included in this
book because of the space requirements. One of the most important points,
I think, is that God is not static Himself. Whole blocks of Seth material
discuss the potentials and makeup of consciousness as it is manifested in
molecules, man, and pyramid energy gestalts. All of these are intimately
connected in a cosmological web of activity. But as Seth says, "Even this
overall pyramid gestalt is not static. Most of your God concepts deal
with a static God, and here is one of your main theological difficulties.
The awareness and experience of this gestalt constantly changes and
grows. There is no static God. When you say, 'This is God,' then God is
already something else. I am using the term 'God' for simplicity's sake.

"All portions of All That Is are constantly changing, enfolding and
unfolding. All That Is, seeking to know Itself, constantly creates new
versions of Itself. For this seeking Itself is a creative activity and
the core of all action.

"Entities, being action, always shift and change. There is nothing
arbitrary about their boundaries. Some personalities can be a part of
more than one entity. Like fish, they can swim in other streams. Within
them is the knowledge of all of their relationships.

"Any personality can become an entity on its own. This involves a highly
developed knowledge of the use of energy and its intensities. As atoms
have mobility, so do psychological structures.

"Consciousness, seeking to know itself, therefore knows you. You, as a
consciousness, seek to know yourself and become aware of your self as a
distinct individual portion of All That Is. You not only draw upon this
overall energy but you do so automatically since your existence is
dependent upon It.

"There is no personal God-individual in Christian terms," Seth says, "and
yet you do have access to a portion of All That Is, a portion highly
attuned to you. . . . There is a portion of All That Is directed and
focused within each individual, residing within each consciousness. Each
consciousness is, therefore, cherished and individually protected. This
portion of overall consciousness is individualized within you.

"The personality of God as generally conceived is a one-dimensional
concept based upon man's small knowledge of his own psychology. What you
prefer to think of as God is, again, an energy gestalt or pyramid
consciousness. It is aware of itself as being, for instance, you, Joseph.
It is aware of itself as the smallest seed. . . . This portion of All
That Is that is aware of itself as you, that is focused within your
existence, can be called upon for help when necessary.

"This portion is also aware of itself as something more than you. This
portion that knows itself as you, and as more than you, is the personal
God, you see. Again: this gestalt, this portion of All That Is, looks out
for your interests and may be called upon in a personal manner.

"Prayer contains its own answer, and if there is no white-haired kind old
father-God to hear, then there is instead the initial and ever-expanding
energy that forms everything that is and of which each human being is a

"This psychic gestalt may sound impersonal to you, but since its energy
forms your person, how can this be?" ...

Thank you for an excellent sharing of your story as the One in Loneliness and NotExpression dear Joey!

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