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Old 02-25-2010, 04:23 PM   #1399
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Originally Posted by BROOK View Post
Apep ....
PROTECTOR OF THE SARCOPHAGUS


THE GUIDE OF THE DEAD



You're use Apep as the sign of metamorphosis? lets really look at Apep and it's origins.....

In Egyptian mythology Apep (also spelled Apepi, and Aapep, or ApophisGreek) was an evil demon, the deification of darkness and chaos (isfet in Egyptian), and thus opponent of light......

Apep formed part of the more complex cosmic system resulting from the identification of Ra as Atum, i.e. the creation of Atum-Ra, and the subsequent merging of the Ogdoad and Ennead systems. Consequently, since Atum-Ra, who was later referred to simply as Ra, was the solar deity, bringer of light, and thus the upholder of Ma'at, Apep was viewed as the greatest enemy of Ra, and thus was given the title Enemy of Ra.
As the personification of all that was evil, Apep was seen as a giant snake/serpent, crocodile, or occasionally as a dragon in later years, leading to such titles as Serpent from the Nile and Evil Lizard. Some elaborations even said that he stretched 16 yards in length and had a head made of flint. It is to be noted that already on a Naqada I (ca. 4000 BCE) C-ware bowl (now in Cairo) a snake was painted on the inside rim combined with other desert and aquatic animals as a possible enemy of a (solar?) deity who is invisibly hunting in a big rowing vessel.[2] Also, comparable hostile snakes as enemies of the sun god existed under other names (in the Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts) already before the name Apep occurred. The etymology of his name ('3pp) is perhaps to be sought in some west-semitic language where a word root 'pp meaning 'to slither' existed. A verb root '3pp does at any rate not exist elsewhere in Ancient Egyptian. (It is not to be confused with the verb 'pi/'pp: 'to fly across the sky, to travel') Apep's name much later came to be falsely connected etymologically in Egyptian with a different root meaning (he who was) spat out; the Romans referred to Apep by this translation of his name.


I find it splendid that you are using Egyptian mythology to explain the very thing that you claim to be enacting...following the great Ptah in all his glory...



With his scales proudly showing in very few images.....

and of course for the book of the dead with the the movement of Osiris...and his following....with the betrayer of humanity Toth...they do need a dog to guard what they have done.


Hail, Thoth, who madest to be true the word of Osiris against his enemies, make thou the word of the scribe Nebseni to be true against his enemies, even as thou didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, in the presence of the Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra and Osiris in Anu, on the night of the "things of the night," and the night of battle, and of the fettering of the Sebau fiends, and the day of the destruction of the enemies of Neb-er-tcher.
Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs in Anu are Tem, Shu, Tefnut, [Osiris and Thoth]. Now the "fettering of the Sebau fiends" signifieth the destruction of the Smaiu fiends of Set, when he wrought iniquity a second time.
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As concerning the Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the digging up of the earth in Tetu: When the Smaiu fiends of Set came [there], having transformed themselves into animals, these Tchatcha Chiefs slew them in the presence of the gods who were there, and they took their blood, and carried it to them. These things were permitted at the examination [of the wicked] by those [gods] who dwelt in Tetu.

Some very disturbing truths in the Book of the dead....so I beg another question.....why does one need such protection in the afterlife such as described above?.....Would the creator have approved such betrayal and evil from the likes of these "Gods"????

It is you Brook, who is using the above 3rd and 4th order 'storytelling' of the interaction of the archetypes, not me.

I prefer to use 1st and 2nd order archetypes, due to their relative uniqueness and simplicity, compared to the many-labelling-nesses of the lower orders.

You may notice, that beneath the Anubis picture is written:

RaH Versus ApeP as HaR the Image of RaHaR in the Mirror of Hathor.

This indicates the archetype of Apep of being the Egyptian version for Satan in the Judeo-Christian version of 1st order.
This archetype indicates 'Adversary' and 'Court-Prosecutor' and similar associations.
From this archtype then evolves the translation of say 2nd order archetypes of say the Osiris-Set brotherhood in Cartouche and Rens: 1 and 10.

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