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Thanks joel, i'll pop into the london forum and say hi. Only just started to "awake" ,so to speak, and would like to start talking with like minded people. Talking about subjects with friends and family are becoming increasingly more frustrating as..... They almost always never listen followed by..."He's off again". I can't understand how they don't ever want to question things and just accept things for how they are. Thanks again joel for pointing me in the right direction it's very much appreciated.