[raulduke]

Hi Morgan,
Thank you for your time and especially your insights. You bring up several good points.

Originally Posted by Morgan

I agree the PTB won't go down easy. But what choice will they have if people en masse reject their system. (Yes yes, that's ideal thinking, blah blah, but what other choice is there.)

This was exactly the message I wanted to convey. I originally wrote this thread because I get the feeling that many of us here have given up on the masses and have become concerned only w/ surviving what is coming. In truth, the masses are our only hope (here on earth anyway). We can only be free once we are aware that, currently, we are not free. All of us.
I realise we are being met w/ confused looks, and negative reactions in trying to wake up our brothers and sisters, but if we lose our ego, and try harder to reach them, the rewards will be the possibility of a peaceful society.

Edmund Burke said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good [people] to do nothing".

I know this is why Project Camelot exists. Project Avalon seems like it is concerned w/ only "us". It may well be too late for humanity en masse, but I do not believe this to be the case, and I will try until the eleventh hour to reach all that I can.

Originally Posted by Morgan

I thought I heard Zeitgeist Addendum address the issue of people not really opting for Proj. Venus without some sort of crash or deterioration of current society - it wasn't a main feature, but then again the message was on the possibility of a beneficial society, not on more building up of fear of what people probably feel on a gut level anyway. (Even if they deny it.)

I was worried that my original post would be receiced as fearmongering. I think there is a difference though between fearmongering and being consciously aware of what we are facing. I never quite understood FDR's; "There is nothing to fear but fear itself.". Are there no legitimate fears out there?

Some here believe that fear is the opposite of love. I don't believe that to be be the case. Fear can inspire the opposite of love (selfishness/hate) when it goes unchecked. Fear is a human reaction that can benefit us if we can identify the exact source and react w/ understanding.
Unfortunately it is true that fear has been manipulated by the PTB to paralyze us throughout history.
The fear they use is baseless and crafted for specific purposes. It is, as our friendly nieghborhood Thunderbird puts it: F.alse E.vidence A.ppearing R.eal.
If thoroughly researched though we can hone in on the real source of beneficial fear which, as I see it is:

The PTB know that this paradigm shift is a reality and that, while they control the show now, they are losing control. The playing field, so to to speak, will soon be leveled. This is the source of thier fear and I am screaming this to all who will listen: They want to hi-jack the this positive paradigm shift by creating chaos and further dividing/enslaving us.
The price of freedom (right now) is eternal vigilance.

Originally Posted by Morgan

Basically, while I see the problems, what options do we have? Should we not pursue utopia because 'they' might come round us up? So at the end of your message you tell us to stand our grand, keep our heads about us, don't give in. Best part of the message, really.

If it looks hard, that's no reason to abandon the road. It might be even more reason to stay on it.

Spot on. Pursue utopia, but recognize that there are those who are very clever in their means of deceptive control. We must use our compassion and intelligence to be sure that we have stamped out this need for control before we can evolve together.

Thanks again for your time.
peace sister.