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Originally Posted by eraser2012
Have you read the Patriot Act?
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Eh, In total? -> No, and as far as I know, neither did the patriots in the house.
I guess, the little Anthrax send to some people did the job, of bringing terror close to the house (Pun Intended...). It is one thing to send/order children into a war, but when the danger becomes personal, them old wise people, acted like they would live forever by either sitting on their hands, or playing Duma and clapping on command..
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Originally Posted by eraser2012
There's your answer. per Ron Paul, Congress wasn't even afforded the opportunity to read the bill before it was required to be voted on by the administration.
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By the administration? I thought by the terrorists..
I remember something of Sen Dashle<sp?> getting one powdered mail, everything was closed down, and all mail quarantined. Just before the patriot act voting.. In all them millions and millions pieces of quarantined mail, there was just one more letter found...
Want to calculate the statistics, that that was to the man that was hated by Terrorists and Cheney alike? And none other were found.
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Originally Posted by eraser2012
Even if they had, anybody voting against it would have been portrayed by the Neocons as anti-American, weak on security or a terrorist sympathizer.
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And by everyone else.. (Real Americans, Patriots, Constitution supporters, Thinking people.. You know the kind...) as not under control... Neither by blackmail nor by corruption.
Ok, to give you an answer... They can make you believe what ever they want or need you to believe in.
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The document gives the house powers, to make laws.
That even over rule natural rights.
And that is fine. As longs as the Church they preach to, contains more then the majority of Americans.
Hell they can even make it unlawful to breat air. Some thing you normally don't think about.. But it is nothing more then a couple of words on paper, a couple of signatures, and hopla. There is a law that makes it illegal to breath air, one longful at a time...
As (emty suit) Gonzalez stated, Habeus Corpus isn't stated in the constitution. And he was so correct!!!! Because Habeus Corpus is a Natural RIGHT..
It is the glue of a society.. That everyone that makes a claim, shows the evidence that basis that claim. ( A right among EQUALS. )
The most wonderfull part of that meeting/hearing was that NO one corrected him, by stating that the constitution was a government limiting document, not a Populations Permission statement. And even when government makes a claim, about ones crimeful history, then even the government has to show the proof, to a group of citizens. The government is NOT a church. It is based and the outcome of a contract between a population, and the people that will be elected from them to rule or represent them all.
Now citizen, do you believe, that the state doesn't have to grant you the right, to see any and every evidence of the crime they are about to convict you about?
Do you really believe that they (And now at once we are talking about a small group of conspirators/hijackers of the government of the United States of America.) have the right to do so?
As I stated above": "They can make you believe what ever they want or need you to believe in."
But whether you believe that is up to you.
And if you don't believe, well citizen, what can I say or state but what the founding fathers stated:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
