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Originally Posted by TranceAm

Sorry to interupt a smoothly going reply , but that has to read "To me..". I have had that opinion for a little longer then that.

Ok. Then you know this information for 300 years and I 3 years good 'nuff It still doesn't make anyone of us a "divine reference" on these matters.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

But the officiail account isn't? ;-) That is a tad strange, not?

Which office is that? Scientifically that could be accepted as theory but other wise well it is like two dudes hanging out and saying "If I were head of state I would kill everyone who makes noise on sunday". no offense.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

Giving permission to the cleaner, in my eyes, is playing with DNA...

Tsarion?

Originally Posted by TranceAm

But "immortal" is OUT of the question.. Ah...

What has that to do with your "Jesus walking on water" example?

Originally Posted by TranceAm

Yes, correct, but it seems that mass has to obey some laws that are equal for all.. Further more, that masses need some guidance to accept their faith as ordered by the powers that be whom in history always were entwangled with religion.. And one more note,, The claim is divine occasions.. Without peer verifiable data. A hearsay of the first kind.. and thus nothing more then that.. Claims. And that is exacly what Thomas stated.

Well a book is a book. Making a book holy is totally what the individual makes of it. If you accept that that book is divine in some sort of way you are already moving materialistic science away from what you perceive as reality. That is the first bent in your solid matter universe. I am not claiming that faith is something that changes reality. I am just saying that materialism is a faith and it is not madder then believing a vengeful god who got ****** off at people and drown them at some point in time. Thomas Paine has made serious errors in what can be proved and that makes him not so credible at all when you look at it rationally.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

And he was. The gall to encode in a state founding document a statement like "The freedom to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
Instead of your life belongs to god, your liberty to your government and the pursuit to happiness to the church.

Nice sentiments. His revolutionary group have done quite some job. I would recommend you to look at those times and the origins of America according to Francis Bacon, Jüri Lina ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77492406&hl=en ), and the guys who analyzed the Architecture of Washington D.C. ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...30464561&hl=en one of two documentaries). There are also some stuff that Bill Cooper made in the Mystery Babylon series connecting America's Destiny to what was and is going on. It makes people understand the revolution brigade. What their intentions are and how these people connect with the ideals of Secret Societies.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

I don't care whether he was a freemason, a sunworshipper, or the Janitor of the WTC buildings.. It is his writing that counts, not the occupation of the writer.. And yes, what he wrote may have advanced his own "thoughts and beliefs" of course, but that by itself doesn't change the factuality of his statements concerning the Christian Belief system.... I notice there is no URL with the retort of the Religion IN that time.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

I guess, They knew a checkmate when they saw one.



btw, "First to see that people think that every despicable person is working for the truth " are you saying here that a despicable person never tells the truth? Or the fact that he tells the truth, makes him despicable?

Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

The Christian mythologists tell that their Satan made war against the Almighty,...

...They promised him ALL the Jews, ALL the Turks by anticipation, nine-tenths of the world beside, and Mahomet into the bargain. After this, who can doubt the bountifulness of the Christian Mythology?

How can you document that? That's what makes him despicable. Even though perhaps he meant the crusaders it's still ignorant and factually wrong.

I meant by that actually that most researchers **** people off (as far as I have observed of course). That emotion sometimes guide people to false assumptions.

Originally Posted by TranceAm

Reputation your way, for discussing this.

Thanks TranceAm. Am allways ready for a good and productive debate