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Originally Posted by dagon
forgive me but. don't you think using the drugs (ie) is cheating and is the easy way out. and perhaps sending the wrong message. I would think that one would try enlightenment without the use of drugs. while I do believe there is a time and place for such things. I don't see this being one of them. I would much rather one use a non drug related catalyst to kick of your clean trip. like the bible with some frankincense perhaps. and when you come back you can tell us if it was a maculate conception. or did aliens impregnate Mary. 
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Re-read the post. Not drugs where used. The equivelent vibrational frequencies of these plants that where created for our benifit where carried by torsian feild into my consciousness where they had the same effects of the drugs without consuming them. If the creator did not want to give us some help with the spiritual process then why did he create these plants and show the shaman how to use them. It is not black and white.