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asteram · 01-23-2009, 05:36 PM

Reposted from the Taking Action thread in the category General Discussion

Czymra-

Thank you very much for your well thought out and incisive reply. You may recall that I am one of those who has applauded your questioning of assumptions on Project Avalon.

Taking your last statement first, stating my impressions or the facts as I see them is not judgment. If I state that a thief is a thief, or that it is cold outside, that is a statement of fact, not a judgment. If I state that the thief is bad, or that cold is bad, that is a judgment. This is an important distinction.

Saying that I am disappointed in Project Avalon is not a judgment either; it is a statement of my own considered impressions; I am not saying Project Avalon is good or bad, only that it is not so far accomplishing that which I hoped to see accomplished.

I think this thread, posted under General Discussion is a good place to elaborate on the problems I perceive here. It appears to me that the stated original intention of Project Avalon, the coming together and networking of the Ground Crew suggested in the Handbook for the New Paradigm, has been compromised and led off track both inadvertently and deliberately.

Most of this misdirection has happened because of the strong influence of what I characterize as New Age love and light dogma. This is the most powerfully judgmental and damaging force operating to misdirect any progress that could be made on Project Avalon. It accomplishes nothing of value and quickly shuts down anyone attempting to accomplish something. A good example is the post by 777 The Great Work which is #5 in this thread:

"As long as we continue to blame our circumstances on outside forces,the inside light remains a spark and not a flame.The inside temple are where the money changers are that need to be swept out with force.The candle must be lit inside being above all and serve all."

Immediately the progress and suggested actions of the original poster are declared useless and wrong. Forget trying to do anything or accomplish anything in the material world in which you live, breathe, eat and sleep; all of the problems are your own and within you. The sentence above is then followed by some meaningless etymological drivel that appears designed to make the poster appear profound and knowledgeable.

This is followed a few posts later by the following from Wormhole:

" Please read 777's response again and again. It is right on the money! The soul is eternal, go within... all else follows. Be the change!!! Our physical being is just a blink, a wrinkle in time, a tic on the clock."

Once again reinforcing the call to non-action, while attempting to appear profound and enlightened.

Because of the close proximity of these two posts, and their appearance at the beginning of a thread calling for real action, my considered opinion is that they are deliberate disinfo by paid agents. The attitude, however, has infected all discourse on Project Avalon and effectively stopped any real attempts at progress, largely by making those calling for action appear 'unenlightened' because of their concern for the actual materiality that is the visible manifestation of our present dilemma.

I think the majority of those echoing and spreading such disinfo are sincere and merely naive. They simply have not considered the possibility that a poster who consistently pounds in the message that all problems are due to one's own lack of spiritual development could have a negative agenda. In addition, many are not aware that the plane of "light" contains just as much negativity and evil as this physical plane or the infra-red "astral" plane do. Those who feed on our suffering and pain are located on the level of visible light. There is much more to be said on the subject, but not right now. Suffice it that one must go to the level above visible light, the level that corresponds to the ultraviolet wavelength, before one rises above duality.

The most egregious example of the hijacking and misdirection of the original intent of this forum is the group of entities posting as Astralwalker. My best guess is that they are a black-ops boiler room effort of NWO intelligence agencies. All the fancy pictures, all the "interesting" and useless esoteric information about 2012 and the hollow Earth and faster than light observations and black holes and gamma ray storms and other fear mongering. All useless distractions. As one who does quite a bit of work with web development and graphics, my immediate impression was and remains "who has the time to put all of these pretty distractions together, and to what end?" Note how successful the effort has been as well, and ask yourself what benefits are they promising or providing? What is being or will be accomplished that furthers the goal of creating actual systems that work to make this world a better place or to teach the masses the reality and application of the four universal laws? Where is the message to Garcia?

Enough on that. Make of it what you will, but I recommend powerful discernment.

It is, I hope, obvious that I am part of no establishment or hierarchy, and part of no group. Those are not my path and never have been; I am not the enemy of established groups or spiritual hierarchies unless they choose to make me one. I simply have no use for them. Part of my task is in what I wrote in my first post here. I am focused on accomplishing that to the exclusion of all else besides keeping a roof over my head and food on the table. I care not about the judgments of those who think my choice of words is not New Age PC or enlightened-sounding enough. I have accepted an assignment and will do my best to carry it out, and that assignment and task does not begin and end with thinking nice thoughts about others and sending them love and light while looking within myself for the source of all of the problems in the material world.

As you pointed out so clearly above, the time for action is now, not four years down the road on the mythical date of December 21 2012. My feeling is that that date is a meaningless distraction, a red herring like so much else is, but whatever it's significance, if any, we will deal with it then. Now is now.

I value your clear-headedness, skepticism, and curiosity and would welcome any on-topic contributions you might have to the messages I am working on putting together at the Genetic Mind thread. I will also paste this reply into that thread to let other readers know my thoughts and opinions on these distractions and misdirections, but the focus of the thread, should it continue, will be on creating and delivering the message to Garcia.

01-23-2009, 05:36 PM	#24
asteram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Isla de Margarita, Venezuela Posts: 161	Re: Hacking the Genetic Mind Reposted from the Taking Action thread in the category General Discussion Czymra- Thank you very much for your well thought out and incisive reply. You may recall that I am one of those who has applauded your questioning of assumptions on Project Avalon. Taking your last statement first, stating my impressions or the facts as I see them is not judgment. If I state that a thief is a thief, or that it is cold outside, that is a statement of fact, not a judgment. If I state that the thief is bad, or that cold is bad, that is a judgment. This is an important distinction. Saying that I am disappointed in Project Avalon is not a judgment either; it is a statement of my own considered impressions; I am not saying Project Avalon is good or bad, only that it is not so far accomplishing that which I hoped to see accomplished. I think this thread, posted under General Discussion is a good place to elaborate on the problems I perceive here. It appears to me that the stated original intention of Project Avalon, the coming together and networking of the Ground Crew suggested in the Handbook for the New Paradigm, has been compromised and led off track both inadvertently and deliberately. Most of this misdirection has happened because of the strong influence of what I characterize as New Age love and light dogma. This is the most powerfully judgmental and damaging force operating to misdirect any progress that could be made on Project Avalon. It accomplishes nothing of value and quickly shuts down anyone attempting to accomplish something. A good example is the post by 777 The Great Work which is #5 in this thread: "As long as we continue to blame our circumstances on outside forces,the inside light remains a spark and not a flame.The inside temple are where the money changers are that need to be swept out with force.The candle must be lit inside being above all and serve all." Immediately the progress and suggested actions of the original poster are declared useless and wrong. Forget trying to do anything or accomplish anything in the material world in which you live, breathe, eat and sleep; all of the problems are your own and within you. The sentence above is then followed by some meaningless etymological drivel that appears designed to make the poster appear profound and knowledgeable. This is followed a few posts later by the following from Wormhole: " Please read 777's response again and again. It is right on the money! The soul is eternal, go within... all else follows. Be the change!!! Our physical being is just a blink, a wrinkle in time, a tic on the clock." Once again reinforcing the call to non-action, while attempting to appear profound and enlightened. Because of the close proximity of these two posts, and their appearance at the beginning of a thread calling for real action, my considered opinion is that they are deliberate disinfo by paid agents. The attitude, however, has infected all discourse on Project Avalon and effectively stopped any real attempts at progress, largely by making those calling for action appear 'unenlightened' because of their concern for the actual materiality that is the visible manifestation of our present dilemma. I think the majority of those echoing and spreading such disinfo are sincere and merely naive. They simply have not considered the possibility that a poster who consistently pounds in the message that all problems are due to one's own lack of spiritual development could have a negative agenda. In addition, many are not aware that the plane of "light" contains just as much negativity and evil as this physical plane or the infra-red "astral" plane do. Those who feed on our suffering and pain are located on the level of visible light. There is much more to be said on the subject, but not right now. Suffice it that one must go to the level above visible light, the level that corresponds to the ultraviolet wavelength, before one rises above duality. The most egregious example of the hijacking and misdirection of the original intent of this forum is the group of entities posting as Astralwalker. My best guess is that they are a black-ops boiler room effort of NWO intelligence agencies. All the fancy pictures, all the "interesting" and useless esoteric information about 2012 and the hollow Earth and faster than light observations and black holes and gamma ray storms and other fear mongering. All useless distractions. As one who does quite a bit of work with web development and graphics, my immediate impression was and remains "who has the time to put all of these pretty distractions together, and to what end?" Note how successful the effort has been as well, and ask yourself what benefits are they promising or providing? What is being or will be accomplished that furthers the goal of creating actual systems that work to make this world a better place or to teach the masses the reality and application of the four universal laws? Where is the message to Garcia? Enough on that. Make of it what you will, but I recommend powerful discernment. It is, I hope, obvious that I am part of no establishment or hierarchy, and part of no group. Those are not my path and never have been; I am not the enemy of established groups or spiritual hierarchies unless they choose to make me one. I simply have no use for them. Part of my task is in what I wrote in my first post here. I am focused on accomplishing that to the exclusion of all else besides keeping a roof over my head and food on the table. I care not about the judgments of those who think my choice of words is not New Age PC or enlightened-sounding enough. I have accepted an assignment and will do my best to carry it out, and that assignment and task does not begin and end with thinking nice thoughts about others and sending them love and light while looking within myself for the source of all of the problems in the material world. As you pointed out so clearly above, the time for action is now, not four years down the road on the mythical date of December 21 2012. My feeling is that that date is a meaningless distraction, a red herring like so much else is, but whatever it's significance, if any, we will deal with it then. Now is now. I value your clear-headedness, skepticism, and curiosity and would welcome any on-topic contributions you might have to the messages I am working on putting together at the Genetic Mind thread. I will also paste this reply into that thread to let other readers know my thoughts and opinions on these distractions and misdirections, but the focus of the thread, should it continue, will be on creating and delivering the message to Garcia.